The send off's a farce.
The family should have stepped in but as said before no surprises.
I mean...she saved us from Argentina.
Yea her poncy son should have chipped a few millions of his blood money.
We'd all be speaking Spanish 
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
We'd all be speaking Spanish
ÂŋQuÃĐ
I no more object to the money spent on the ceremonial funeral than the cost of the the Queen's Jubilee celebrations. Its probably a bigger event historically i.m.o.
Don't think Lady Thatcher would be remotely bothered about Ding Dong going to no.1 either... They wasted their money - it would have been better spent on good causes.
Originally Posted by squiggle:
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
We'd all be speaking Spanish
ÂŋQuÃĐ
It's a hamster called Basil 
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
Carnelian has put a very interesting slant on it. Call me an old fashioned Marxist but I always follow the money and all I could see was cash been removed from the arse pocket of foolish young consumers and ending up in the arse pocket of American Capitalists. Don't be concerned about us not being able to listen to the er, choon on the electric wireless, since a lot of us already know it and are well aware of the general situation. Those extremely hip people who downloaded it can listen to it to their hearts content, and have a great time getting down to the beat.
But that sums up the economy in general. American or UK capitalist, it's fair to say that 95% of the economy is capitalist. Paying taxes for the 'public sector' BBC that happens to source much of its programs and studios from the private sector or the 'public sector' NHS, which sources its plant, machinery and medicines from the private sector and often its staff from private sector agencies.
It may seem ironic that a protest is lining the pockets of Warner Bros (I'd guess) but that's almost inevitable as the music industry is almost 100% private sector.
You don't even have to be a socialist to hate Thatcher - it helps of course! You can strongly believe that capitalism is preferable to socialism but still find her policies divisive and cruel. The ugly face of capitalism, as Ted Heath once said - and probably said about her in [not so] private.
Consumption as an expression of protest or expression of hatred? Well, it's not a song I'd buy but there are so few outlets for protest that if people feel buying an innocuous song as a statement of their views, then so be it.
We're having a ÂĢ10,000,000 tax payer funded jamboree and party political broadcast for the affluent right wing that wags its fingers over benefit dependency and it will go out to hundreds of countries.
What's wrong with letting the world know we didn't all think the sun shone out of her arse?
Thatcher came into power 5 months before I moved to this hallowed isle. I spent at least 15 years telling my children why she was getting it wrong and both, despite my son joining the army, understood.
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
Carnelian has put a very interesting slant on it. Call me an old fashioned Marxist but I always follow the money and all I could see was cash been removed from the arse pocket of foolish young consumers and ending up in the arse pocket of American Capitalists. Don't be concerned about us not being able to listen to the er, choon on the electric wireless, since a lot of us already know it and are well aware of the general situation. Those extremely hip people who downloaded it can listen to it to their hearts content, and have a great time getting down to the beat.
But that sums up the economy in general. American or UK capitalist, it's fair to say that 95% of the economy is capitalist. Paying taxes for the 'public sector' BBC that happens to source much of its programs and studios from the private sector or the 'public sector' NHS, which sources its plant, machinery and medicines from the private sector and often its staff from private sector agencies.
It may seem ironic that a protest is lining the pockets of Warner Bros (I'd guess) but that's almost inevitable as the music industry is almost 100% private sector.
You don't even have to be a socialist to hate Thatcher - it helps of course! You can strongly believe that capitalism is preferable to socialism but still find her policies decisive and cruel. The ugly face of capitalism, as Ted Heath once said - and probably said about her in [not so] private.
Consumption as an expression of protest or expression of hatred? Well, it's not a song I'd buy but there are so few outlets for protest that if people feel buying an innocuous song as a statement of their views, then so be it.
We're having a ÂĢ10,000,000 tax payer funded jamboree and party political broadcast for the affluent right wing that wags its fingers over benefit dependency and it will go out to hundreds of countries.
What's wrong with letting the world know we didn't all think the sun shone out of her arse?
I've thought about this long and hard - I've swung one way and the other - I think I agree with the BIB though. She's passed away now - in reality she's been 'gone' a long time. the funeral and ceremony will portray it one way - the 'peoples' protest will show another. I prefer it to the cheering and parties etc. which I found/find distasteful.
For a few decades I have been consistent in my view that Thatcher is totes responsible for the economic collapse of my part of the country. But the important part is the fact that we knew what would happen, and yet people kept voting her and her successors in.
If the best riposte yer social media based opposition can come up with is downloading a shite song from a shite musical and trying to impose it upon the rest of us then we have a crisis.
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien (fka noseyrosie):
I no more object to the money spent on the ceremonial funeral than the cost of the the Queen's Jubilee celebrations. Its probably a bigger event historically i.m.o.
I suppose there's an argument that the Jubilee celebrations at least helped the tourist industry, though. I mean, it's not as if loads of people are going to go out of their way to travel into London just so they can stand in Trafalgar Square and celebrate the - oh, wait... 
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
For a few decades I have been consistent in my view that Thatcher is totes responsible for the economic collapse of my part of the country. But the important part is the fact that we knew what would happen, and yet people kept voting her and her successors in. If the best riposte yer social media based opposition can come up with is downloading a shite song from a shite musical and trying to impose it upon the rest of us then we have a crisis.
Sorry GJ I disagree, the Tory heartlands voted for her and her successors in. Labour piled up the vote in the North in the 80s, but south of Birmingham it was all Tory except a few inner cities. Labour's response was a shift to the centre left under Kinnock and then a further shift to the centre right under Blair. Tony got elected by stealing Thatcherite policies.
Blair kept the whole neo-liberal show on the road and did everything the Tory press asked of him. It was Labour under Blair, that brought in Atos to rule the terminally ill as fit for work and it was Labour under Blair, that sucked up to the banks and kissed Rupert Murdoch's arse.
I don't get the 'trying to impose' aspect. It's only a song! You don't have to tune in! It's not a ÂĢ10 million tax payer funded propaganda fest, it's people downloading a song as an expression of, perhaps, impotent rage! A sense of proportion is needed.
Of course we have a crisis. The affluent right has lost the argument but is determined to kill off dissent, you seem happy to let it do so!
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
So people who use market forces to propel a song up the charts, don't get to hear that song because it's been banned! However, we get to see and hear a ÂĢ10m propaganda rally for the neo-libs that we didn't ask for nor wanted to pay for.
I think we've had to endure plenty of shite lefty protest songs down the years, some might say more than enough, this time round it's in bad taste and quite nasty, and it's a shit song anyway.
Just download the Witch Is Dead song and listen to it to your hearts content. 
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Whether you think it's shitty or left wing is irrelevant. Bad taste is to ram a triumphalist neo-liberal rally down people's throats and charge the tax payer for it - like something out of the Third Reich. If songs were banned for being shitty, that would ban 70% of the top 40!
It's certainly no more nasty than planting your soap box on the graves of dead children to argue for benefit cuts. I don't see the Daily Mail being banned. Should the Daily Mail be banned?
I have to agree with you about how crap most songs are in the top 40.
And I am disgusted at what the current Tory party are doing in regards to tarring people who are on benefits with the same brush as that horrible Philpot "man", but whats that got to do with Thatcher?
My Gran hated the woman as much as you do, probably more lol, but even she is keeping quiet about Thatcher at this time, and she wouldn't be in favour of people holding street parties and downloading a silly song to show hatred for her.
And yes, The Daily Mail should be banned, and The Sun and The Mirror...in fact all the scumy tabloid newspapers should be banned.
This is not dissent.
Dissent would be taking an interest in politics, union activism, and ameliorating the defects of capitalism.
However I'm prepared to be wrong, I often am. If as a result of downloading this er, choon, the Thatcherites are swept away from power then I will be the first to apologise.
Originally Posted by Scotty:
I don't think anyone is saying people can't voice their opinion, nor speak ill of the dead if that is what takes ones fancy, just that there is a time and a place for those sort of things and her funeral day is not one of them..
I recall when Michael Jackson died.. I couldn't stand the little drug addicted creep nor his music but blimey you'd have been jumped on if you said as much in a thread about his death, and then started discussion about his various other foibles like kiddy fiddling.. that was for other other discussion elsewhere.. I know this is not quite the same, he was hero worshipped by loads, but the basic of the argument applies.. right time and place and basic common courtesy rules apply
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
This is not dissent. Dissent would be taking an interest in politics, union activism, and ameliorating the defects of capitalism. However I'm prepared to be wrong, I often am. If as a result of downloading this er, choon, the Thatcherites are swept away from power then I will be the first to apologise.
Swept away by a tornado from Kansas...
Originally Posted by Scotty:
Good article but then the tories are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Originally Posted by Scotty:
I don't think anyone is saying people can't voice their opinion, nor speak ill of the dead if that is what takes ones fancy, just that there is a time and a place for those sort of things and her funeral day is not one of them..
I recall when Michael Jackson died.. I couldn't stand the little drug addicted creep nor his music but blimey you'd have been jumped on if you said as much in a thread about his death, and then started discussion about his various other foibles like kiddy fiddling.. that was for other other discussion elsewhere.. I know this is not quite the same, he was hero worshipped by loads, but the basic of the argument applies.. right time and place and basic common courtesy rules apply
Exactly
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
This is not dissent. Dissent would be taking an interest in politics, union activism, and ameliorating the defects of capitalism. However I'm prepared to be wrong, I often am. If as a result of downloading this er, choon, the Thatcherites are swept away from power then I will be the first to apologise.
The two need not be mutually exclusive though my son isa member of the labour party and he is a TU rep for UNISON he has downloaded the song. I, m posting ona
A new tablet apologies if this is nonsensical
"We're not in Kansas any more Toto!"
If you had the oppertunity - would you attend Margaret Thatcher's funeral?
Originally Posted by Saint:
If you had the oppertunity - would you attend Margaret Thatcher's funeral?
Guess. 
Even if its an opportunity.
Originally Posted by Saint:
If you had the oppertunity - would you attend Margaret Thatcher's funeral?
no
Originally Posted by Saint:
If you had the oppertunity - would you attend Margaret Thatcher's funeral?
No.
I have the opportunity to attend, but will not be doing so. I hope that the people who do will treat the occasion with respect.
Much as though a lot of us up in the top right hold her responsible for all that is wrong, I find some of the recent online material quite low, and a lot of so called left wing politicians, who should know better, are damaging our cause.
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
I have the opportunity to attend, but will not be doing so. I hope that the people who do will treat the occasion with respect. Much as though a lot of us up in the top right hold her responsible for all that is wrong, I find some of the recent online material quite low, and a lot of so called left wing politicians, who should know better, are damaging our cause.
On what basis?! You're not exactly her greatest fan! 
But I agree about how the thoughtless reaction is going to cause a difficult rift for the left to repair afterwards.
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
I have the opportunity to attend, but will not be doing so. I hope that the people who do will treat the occasion with respect. Much as though a lot of us up in the top right hold her responsible for all that is wrong, I find some of the recent online material quite low, and a lot of so called left wing politicians, who should know better, are damaging our cause.
I totally agree GJ
@judith I think everyone has the opportunity. I assumed that the funeral would be relayed for those nearby.
It's a London thang.
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
@judith I think everyone has the opportunity. I assumed that the funeral would be relayed for those nearby.
It'll be relayed to anyone on the globe who cares as I understand it. I shall sleep the sleep of the blessed throughout, however.
Originally Posted by Saint:
If you had the oppertunity - would you attend Margaret Thatcher's funeral?
Christ no,!
Originally Posted by Saint:
If you had the oppertunity - would you attend Margaret Thatcher's funeral?
No but I hope that her funeral is peaceful for the sake of her family.
My own opinion is that I can't really understand why people would attend just to turn their backs on the coffin as it seems like a waste of time to me and I don't understand why so many of the people who have been 'partying' don't look old enough to have even been born when she was in power and are simply enjoying being disruptive and part of an 'in thing'.
I have no strong views politically and I think she did good and bad for the country but I was disgusted to see the 'celebrations' and a 4 year old singing the Ding Dong song.
My thoughts are with her family today.
Originally Posted by San:
Originally Posted by Saint:
If you had the oppertunity - would you attend Margaret Thatcher's funeral?
No but I hope that her funeral is peaceful for the sake of her family.
My own opinion is that I can't really understand why people would attend just to turn their backs on the coffin as it seems like a waste of time to me and I don't understand why so many of the people who have been 'partying' don't look old enough to have even been born when she was in power and are simply enjoying being disruptive and part of an 'in thing'.
I have no strong views politically and I think she did good and bad for the country but I was disgusted to see the 'celebrations' and a 4 year old singing the Ding Dong song.
My thoughts are with her family today.
my feelings too San 
No I wouldnt want to go but do have 3 Family members there today in the capacity of their jobs - hoping for a peaceful and safe event for all those involved
Originally Posted by San:
Originally Posted by Saint:
If you had the oppertunity - would you attend Margaret Thatcher's funeral?
No but I hope that her funeral is peaceful for the sake of her family.
I agree with that I don't really get why people would go out of their way to protest a funeral, i got sick of the love-in on the news this morning so I turned it off... it's that easy!
Originally Posted by San:
Originally Posted by Saint:
If you had the oppertunity - would you attend Margaret Thatcher's funeral?
No but I hope that her funeral is peaceful for the sake of her family.
My own opinion is that I can't really understand why people would attend just to turn their backs on the coffin as it seems like a waste of time to me and I don't understand why so many of the people who have been 'partying' don't look old enough to have even been born when she was in power and are simply enjoying being disruptive and part of an 'in thing'.
I have no strong views politically and I think she did good and bad for the country but I was disgusted to see the 'celebrations' and a 4 year old singing the Ding Dong song.
My thoughts are with her family today.
Well expressed San . Totally agree.
Hope all goes peacefully too Mrs H.
Originally Posted by SazBomb:
Originally Posted by San:
Originally Posted by Saint:
If you had the oppertunity - would you attend Margaret Thatcher's funeral?
No but I hope that her funeral is peaceful for the sake of her family.
I agree with that I don't really get why people would go out of their way to protest a funeral, i got sick of the love-in on the news this morning so I turned it off... it's that easy!
My thoughts too.... surely they've got better things to do...