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Originally Posted by squiggle:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:
Originally Posted by squiggle:

One thing did occur to me, I know its all to do with cones and receptors in the eye.  Is it affected by eye colour, I see it as blue and black, I have blue eyes so therefore less pigment in my eyes.  Do people with more pigment, ie brown eyes see it as white and gold or am I completely barking up the wrong tree?

Not for me Squiggle - I've got brown eyes and see blue and black 

Darn it another theory up in smoke

 

Yeah, I'm green/hazel eyes and it's blue for me, sorry  

  

Cosmopolitan
Originally Posted by squiggle:

One thing did occur to me, I know its all to do with cones and receptors in the eye.  Is it affected by eye colour, I see it as blue and black, I have blue eyes so therefore less pigment in my eyes.  Do people with more pigment, ie brown eyes see it as white and gold or am I completely barking up the wrong tree?

I have blue eyes and see pale blue and olive green.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by squiggle:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:
Originally Posted by squiggle:

One thing did occur to me, I know its all to do with cones and receptors in the eye.  Is it affected by eye colour, I see it as blue and black, I have blue eyes so therefore less pigment in my eyes.  Do people with more pigment, ie brown eyes see it as white and gold or am I completely barking up the wrong tree?

Not for me Squiggle - I've got brown eyes and see blue and black 

Darn it another theory up in smoke

 Good theory though Squiggle -  and I didn't know that about eye pigmentation 

FM
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:
Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:

.I think we should round up and quarantine the white and gold peeps as they're obviously aliens from another planet 

 

Yeah, lets stick 'em in the stocks and throw blue smarties at 'em  

 

does it have to be smarties... can't you throw some Belgian chocs instead.. they'll probably LOOK blue....

Kaffs
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:
Originally Posted by squiggle:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:
Originally Posted by squiggle:

One thing did occur to me, I know its all to do with cones and receptors in the eye.  Is it affected by eye colour, I see it as blue and black, I have blue eyes so therefore less pigment in my eyes.  Do people with more pigment, ie brown eyes see it as white and gold or am I completely barking up the wrong tree?

Not for me Squiggle - I've got brown eyes and see blue and black 

Darn it another theory up in smoke

 Good theory though Squiggle -  and I didn't know that about eye pigmentation 

That's the reason people with lighter coloured eyes need sunglasses more, lighter eyes let more light in, well so my optician tells me.

squiggle
Originally Posted by Eugene's Lair:

A question for those who are seeing blue: what shade of blue?

When I see blue in that photo, it's sky blue at best - nothing like the deep royal blue the dress really is (unless I look at the screen from an angle, which is cheating).

Yes Eugene, I see a dark sky blue - yet its faded. Does that make sense? 

FM
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:
Originally Posted by Eugene's Lair:

A question for those who are seeing blue: what shade of blue?

When I see blue in that photo, it's sky blue at best - nothing like the deep royal blue the dress really is (unless I look at the screen from an angle, which is cheating).

Yes Eugene, I see a dark sky blue - yet its faded. Does that make sense? 

Yes, it does make sense actually. I've always seen a slight "blueness", but it never quite looked "right". This is the key, because as I mentioned earlier it's not a very good photo and the reason people are seeing it differently is because their brains are trying to "correct" it in different ways. "Blue/Black" people assume a very bright yellowish light, whereas "White/Gold" people assume a dull bluish light. As I've also mentioned before, what's very odd is when you look at the full picture in the OP, and then try to separate off the top and bottom. Because your brain is no longer trying to make sense of the photo as a whole, the top section on its own looks whiter, while the bottom looks much bluer...

Eugene's Lair
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:

 

So what do white + gold peeps see in the above - two white + gold dresses? Or just one? 

 

I see them pretty much as described: blue/gold (or more likely lilac/bronze), white/gold and blue/black.

 

The thing to bear in mind though is that when you see those 3 photos together your brain doesn't pay a lot of attention to the different brightness/contrast settings and tries to make sense of all 3 photos together. What that means is that the brain assumes the same brightness settings, and as a result the left dress looks a lot "blue-er" than the middle one - you no longer think of it as a white dress in blue light, so your brain doesn't try to compensate...

Eugene's Lair
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:

I don't see any gold in the first one  its the same pic to me as the OP posted - faded blue and faded black. 

 

The middle one is only gold in the top section to me. The stripes are a whitish blue and dark copper/brown.

I should have been a bit clearer: I don't see the left one as gold. I'd call it "bronze" (or even brown/olive). I don't see it as faded black (or dark grey) unless I look a the bottom of the dress in isolation.

 

The middle one is only gold in the same way as the other stripes are white. The brain sees it as white with a bluish hue, and so it assumes the "bronze" stripes have the same hue - meaning that they'd be more "golden" in real life.

Eugene's Lair

Wired have done a nice job explaining the science here:
http://www.wired.com/2015/02/s...-agrees-color-dress/

...although this bloke's analysis makes the colour breakdown a bit clearer:

http://www.digitalartsonline.c...-photoshop-its-blue/

 

This shows the "blue" stripes to be within blue and purple on the spectrum, which is why I was asking what shades of blue people were seeing.

It comes down a lot to semantics: "blue" covers a wide range. For me, some of the lighter shades in there are "blue", but I'd consider some of the others more "purple", whereas some people would describe them all as blue. Purple's one of those strange colours: some cultures don't even have a word for it.

As QI recently showed, there's a similar thing in our culture with "orange". A robin's breast is orange, but we think of it as "red" because our culture's knowledge of the bird predates its knowledge of the fruit (and therefore the colour) "orange".

Eugene's Lair
Last edited by Eugene's Lair
Originally Posted by Eugene's Lair:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:

I don't see any gold in the first one  its the same pic to me as the OP posted - faded blue and faded black. 

 

The middle one is only gold in the top section to me. The stripes are a whitish blue and dark copper/brown.

I should have been a bit clearer: I don't see the left one as gold. I'd call it "bronze" (or even brown/olive). I don't see it as faded black (or dark grey) unless I look a the bottom of the dress in isolation.

 

The middle one is only gold in the same way as the other stripes are white. The brain sees it as white with a bluish hue, and so it assumes the "bronze" stripes have the same hue - meaning that they'd be more "golden" in real life.

Ah, interesting, ta Eugene.  

FM

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