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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

quite happy with a bargain bucket tbh

Aww Hoobs

Then again you had a whopper a couple of months ago , eh?

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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:
oh and having lived on a council estate i can tell you i dont know anyone who had a baby to get a house and benefits. not doubting there are some but to generalise like that gets us nowhere! the world is NOT so black and white!!!

mind you this is the BNP...all they see is colour

breathe Hoob, Breathe!

I know! On paper I suppose I could be judged too... but I too have a story that sets me apart from the stereotype.... an awful lot do.

I DO know a couple of girls that are of the stereotype though... my bessie mates sister.... churns out another baby once the current baby has hit 4.... and makes no qualms about her reasons for it.

And another sadder case... of a girl who's aspirations were to get her own place... and pregnancy was her means to getting it.

But they are the ONLY two I know of. The rest are like you and I.... we have stories... and we are not the scrounging scum of the earth people would have us out to be.

lol, sorry i got a bit ranty

i know a few men who have thought a baby would give them benefits and house though

LOL! I know quite a few men that would target single mums.... cos there was a table for them to get their feet under!

And there is no need to apologise for the rant.. . I am just watching out for your BP!

ohhhh i've had ex's who were like that . took me ages to trust my current OH cos he wanted to move in after 2 months (mind you he did live 100 miles away lol).

they also thinking single mum's are easy, probably cos alot of single mums may have low self esteem due to their situation and the public's opinion of them

my blood pressure is fine dont worry

though now i fancy a macdonalds

Let's face it! If the BNP ever get in and I think that is a massive ask, they will be shooting pretty much 80% of the population, as most of us don't go back 8 generations.

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Originally posted by angelicarwen:

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

quite happy with a bargain bucket tbh

Aww Hoobs

Then again you had a whopper a couple of months ago , eh?

big daddy meal

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

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Originally posted by angelicarwen:

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

quite happy with a bargain bucket tbh

Aww Hoobs

Then again you had a whopper a couple of months ago , eh?

big daddy meal

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Originally posted by innais:
What a disgraceful attitude, I can't believe it! Perhaps these people would do well to ask why it is that young girls get themselves into these situations in the first intance. I was dispatched to a home in 1977 for having the audacity to shame my family by getting pregnant in my teens. I can say from personal experience that this is no solution to the problem. Prevention is better than "cure" imho. Let's help our young women to build on their self esteem, give them hope for the future and encourage them to be the best they can be!

well said

The housing list allocations policy for each area is usually available from the local authority webpages. My local one adds lots of points for being pregnant or having kids. You also get points for the length of time, upto a year, that you've been on the list. I'm told that you have to say that you've had an irreconcilable breakdown with your family if you're staying with parents to get a leg up after you've had a leg over and are bearing the fruits of it.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
The housing list allocations policy for each area is usually available from the local authority webpages. My local one adds lots of points for being pregnant or having kids. You also get points for the length of time, upto a year, that you've been on the list. I'm told that you have to say that you've had an irreconcilable breakdown with your family if you're staying with parents to get a leg up after you've had a leg over and are bearing the fruits of it.

have to say, i was offered a 3 bedroom house within 9 months time of applying. course it was in a shitty area, and i was grateful! but i did NOT need a 3 bedroom house. there was only me and and 1 baby.

not like there aren't flats or even smaller houses available. i've seen families of 5 be offered a 2 bed house when i was given a 3 bed...that makes no sense

course i took it, but my council stick you back on the list again if you refuse an offering..but i actually would have prefered somewhere smaller cos i didn't have money/time to decorate

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:
not like there aren't flats or even smaller houses available. i've seen families of 5 be offered a 2 bed house when i was given a 3 bed...that makes no sense

That does seem odd as there's criteria in my local policy giving points for not enough bedrooms and the formula for working out how many bedrooms there should be depending on ages, sexes, and so on.

It also seems, if I'm reading it correctly, that being homeless just gets you housing, which might just be temporary, and then you get an equal chance as others on the housing list when a house becomes available, all other things being equal. The houses are allocated between the two groups in rotation. That sort of pisses on the idea that homeless immigrants can jump the queue for a council house, which is the other very popular stereotype.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:
not like there aren't flats or even smaller houses available. i've seen families of 5 be offered a 2 bed house when i was given a 3 bed...that makes no sense

That does seem odd as there's criteria in my local policy giving points for not enough bedrooms and the formula for working out how many bedrooms there should be depending on ages, sexes, and so on.

It also seems, if I'm reading it correctly, that being homeless just gets you housing, which might just be temporary, and then you get an equal chance as others on the housing list when a house becomes available, all other things being equal. The houses are allocated between the two groups in rotation. That sort of pisses on the idea that homeless immigrants can jump the queue for a council house, which is the other very popular stereotype.

same criteria here too Deej. you get points for overcrowding, and they ask how many kids you have and have a chart on the back to show you what entitled to.
a 3 bed was the biggest i was entitled to. just strange that i was entitled to it in the first place. a two bed would have been more than enough for one parent (or even two) and 1 child.

and yeah homeless is homeless regardless of nationality. in fact in my area alot of the immigrants (working or not working) get taken the piss out of by private landlords. the 3 bed house next to us is private and the landlord did it up so it has more rooms then charged some polish peeps £80 a week for a room each. when the house is only 'worth' £450-£500 rent a month. they moved out recently and a young family (like us) live there now. dunno what they are paying though...i'm guessing not half as much as the polish peeps were

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:
not like there aren't flats or even smaller houses available. i've seen families of 5 be offered a 2 bed house when i was given a 3 bed...that makes no sense

That does seem odd as there's criteria in my local policy giving points for not enough bedrooms and the formula for working out how many bedrooms there should be depending on ages, sexes, and so on.

It also seems, if I'm reading it correctly, that being homeless just gets you housing, which might just be temporary, and then you get an equal chance as others on the housing list when a house becomes available, all other things being equal. The houses are allocated between the two groups in rotation. That sort of pisses on the idea that homeless immigrants can jump the queue for a council house, which is the other very popular stereotype.

same criteria here too Deej. you get points for overcrowding, and they ask how many kids you have and have a chart on the back to show you what entitled to.
a 3 bed was the biggest i was entitled to. just strange that i was entitled to it in the first place. a two bed would have been more than enough for one parent (or even two) and 1 child.

It might have been a not in demand area. if i remember from when my friend was waiting, you could turn down 2 places. The best way to find somewhere decent seems to be to find a private landlord who accepts DSS tennants and the council cover their rent.

Apart from the fact that everyday life leaves your average BNP member baffled, the thing which annoys me most is that they deem themselves to be patriots and then steal all our national icons.

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Originally posted by karmasab****:

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:
not like there aren't flats or even smaller houses available. i've seen families of 5 be offered a 2 bed house when i was given a 3 bed...that makes no sense

That does seem odd as there's criteria in my local policy giving points for not enough bedrooms and the formula for working out how many bedrooms there should be depending on ages, sexes, and so on.

It also seems, if I'm reading it correctly, that being homeless just gets you housing, which might just be temporary, and then you get an equal chance as others on the housing list when a house becomes available, all other things being equal. The houses are allocated between the two groups in rotation. That sort of pisses on the idea that homeless immigrants can jump the queue for a council house, which is the other very popular stereotype.

same criteria here too Deej. you get points for overcrowding, and they ask how many kids you have and have a chart on the back to show you what entitled to.
a 3 bed was the biggest i was entitled to. just strange that i was entitled to it in the first place. a two bed would have been more than enough for one parent (or even two) and 1 child.

It might have been a not in demand area. if i remember from when my friend was waiting, you could turn down 2 places. The best way to find somewhere decent seems to be to find a private landlord who accepts DSS tennants and the council cover their rent.

it certainly wasn't a place people wanted to live was the only place i didn't tick on my form was a nasty nasty area (im talking needles and condoms in the grass, drug dealers, they actually had to convert a house into a new police station). more people going out than in. there were LOADS of empty flats/houses there. i turned down one place, cos it was the same area. you only get two choices so i had to take the second choice

we are in private now, started out renting through a friend, then he turned out to be an arse and then evicted us leaving us 'homeless'. the council paid for our deposit on new place. which we pay back £10 a month we were on housing benefit to start with too. though finding a private house who accepts DSS is hard to say the least :O

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Originally posted by *BB*:
I've been watching a series on iPlayer about pregnant young teenage girls around the ages of 14 - 17 years and the series follows them through their pregnancy and afterwards when they have had their babies. What I saw has been nothing like what we are told in the media about what happens. No automatic council house, no nothing in most cases! It was quite an eye-opener for me.

I saw that too,BB.
The girls weren't your stereotypical 'chavette' we are led to believe goes round willingly getting impregnated at 15 so she can have five minutes of fame on Jeremy Kyle.They were ordinary run of the mill tenns from a street in any town.
Any parent under 16 is NOT entitled to benefits..so its the grandparents bear the financial burden in these cases.

Its well worth watching btw.

what was name of that programme mazzy?

be a lot easier and cheaper to castrate feckless blokes.

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:
what was name of that programme mazzy?

Sorry,hoobs..cant remember.Was on recently tho as part of the teen series on BBC3.

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
be a lot easier and cheaper to castrate feckless blokes.

Exactly!
How much will it cost to throw these young girls in jail and bring up the kids in care?
Considering these girls can only get pregnant once in nine months surely they'd be better off locking up the blokes that get the girls pregnant - cos they could get girls pregnant every day!

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Originally posted by Mazzystar:

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:
what was name of that programme mazzy?

Sorry,hoobs..cant remember.Was on recently tho as part of the teen series on BBC3.

The one that was narrated by Sonia from Eastenders?

I saw that... was pleasantly surprised by it not portraying the Vicky Pollard stereotype.

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
be a lot easier and cheaper to castrate feckless blokes.

Will there be degrees of castration for degrees of fecklessness? Or will the fabled split condom automatically mean an immediate appointment with Eunuchs R Us?

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I can appreciate that some do get pregnant to abuse the system but the fact that people with kids get priority over those without is right IMO as the rules are there to protect and try to keep children from harm. So even if the odd few take the pee out of the system and a child gets a home then the system is working fine as far as I'm concerned, they don't ask to be born, so punish the parents not the innocents.

Makes you wonder why youngsters feel so low that they have to think that way in the first place.


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Originally posted by MoFo:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
be a lot easier and cheaper to castrate feckless blokes.

Exactly!
How much will it cost to throw these young girls in jail and bring up the kids in care?
Considering these girls can only get pregnant once in nine months surely they'd be better off locking up the blokes that get the girls pregnant - cos they could get girls pregnant every day!

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Originally posted by MoFo:
No mention of any punishment to the fathers...

For what? Stuffing it to someone lying legless on a footpath somewhere? Come on.

as jeremy Kyle/Vile says' put summat on the end of it'
it takes two to tango
so while these useless lads are shooting sperm up useless girls-hey presto- a baby=the bird carries it,has it, the young man f*cks off and stuffs it to another drunk on a footpath
do you see a pattern emerging here?
another bird, another 'footpath stuffing' another sprog
God, you blame the women
blokes are as much to blame
they are the daft bastards that empregnate them

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Originally posted by MoFo:
http://www.londonpatriot.org/2...r-09-bnp-conference/


"Any amount of sexual health education is not going to reduce Britain’s high teen pregnancy rates, whilst the ‘rewards’ for becoming an unmarried teen mother remain so [relatively] attractive. The cycle of girls getting pregnant by man A, then being allocated a council flat & welfare benefits, then getting pregnant by man B, and being allocated a bigger council flat & more benefits, then getting pregnant by man C, and being allocated a council house & yet more benefits has got to STOP. It leads to all sorts of social problems, resulting from mothers who are not mature enough to parent effectively, and end up raising dysfunctional families in poverty. It also costs tax payers a lot of money, to fund these ‘alternative’ lifestyles. Furthermore, people who have been on housing waiting lists for several years, and who conduct themselves in a responsible manner, find themselves being ‘queue-jumped’ by these feckless members of society.

So, I suggest that there be no council flats and no welfare benefits available to unmarried mothers under the age of 21. Instead they will be placed in ‘mother & baby homes’. Here they will receive academic education aswell as parenting classes, plus courses covering all aspects of their social development. The homes will be run by ‘matron’ type figures. The homes should not be ‘institution’ like, but at the same time there will be rules which must be adhered to; such as a curfew of approx 9pm, a dress code which states skirts must come to at least the knees & no cleavage to be on show. Failure to comply with the homes’ rules will result in the mother being sent to prison, and the baby being taken in to care.

This is not a short-term remedy, but a long-term solution. Eventually I believe the implementation of this policy will result in a vast decrease in teenage girls becoming pregnant – as the consequences will be positively unattractive. Of course, teenage pregnancies will never be completely eradicated, and the homes will allow for the girls who do still become teen mothers to learn how to be good parents, whilst not being fast-tracked to the top of the housing queue.

If an 18-20 year old pregnant woman is married [marriage should not be an option available to 16/17 year olds, even with parental consent] and her husband has a job, then she will be exempt from going in to one of the homes."



Ooooh did I read right, will young mums be thrown into prison for wearing skirts above knee-level?

"rules which must be adhered to; such as a curfew of approx 9pm, a dress code which states skirts must come to at least the knees & no cleavage to be on show. Failure to comply with the homes’ rules will result in the mother being sent to prison, and the baby being taken in to care."

their remedy is slightly harsh but have to say I do agree with them that something needs to change - there are young girls out there who do have children just to get houses etc and that needs to be stopped!!

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
Apart from the fact that everyday life leaves your average BNP member baffled, the thing which annoys me most is that they deem themselves to be patriots and then steal all our national icons.

They've stolen Lionel Blair?!!1!

Obviously, I'm diametrically opposed to the BNP but I very nearly went to their festival in Derbyshire last week to see what it was all about as it's not that far from me but it sounded like the UAF thugs were out in force so I gave the idea up. Ironic, really.

I have to say that while, ethically, both the man and the woman are equally responsible, the consequences fall more heavily on the woman and so for that reason I'd expect them to take more responsibility for themselves at least.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
Apart from the fact that everyday life leaves your average BNP member baffled, the thing which annoys me most is that they deem themselves to be patriots and then steal all our national icons.

They've stolen Lionel Blair?!!1!

Obviously, I'm diametrically opposed to the BNP but I very nearly went to their festival in Derbyshire last week to see what it was all about as it's not that far from me but it sounded like the UAF thugs were out in force so I gave the idea up. Ironic, really.

one of my friend's ex husband took their 9 year old autistic son there the other week, after telling her they were going camping

heard there were a few arrests. and they apparently had bin laden and barrack obama cut outs in stocks.

I was an unwilling teenage Mum.. way back in the 60's. I was raped by 3 men..one of those men
is the father to my son...BNP why not tell men to keep it in their pants??

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Originally posted by lightfoot:
I was an unwilling teenage Mum.. way back in the 60's. I was raped by 3 men..one of those men
is the father to my son...BNP why not tell men to keep it in their pants??

The BNP are very scarey people

They seem to be rather out of touch with the council flat allocation stuff though

A lot of that rubbish seems to want a return to Victorian times. I agree with the posts re some sort of 'punishment' for the men who father numerous children and take no responsibility for them.

Heaven forbid the BNP ever get into power.

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Originally posted by lightfoot:
I was an unwilling teenage Mum.. way back in the 60's. I was raped by 3 men..one of those men
is the father to my son...BNP why not tell men to keep it in their pants??

Oh my God lightfoot

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Originally posted by angelicarwen:

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Originally posted by lightfoot:
I was an unwilling teenage Mum.. way back in the 60's. I was raped by 3 men..one of those men
is the father to my son...BNP why not tell men to keep it in their pants??

Oh my God lightfoot

Love my son to bits...

my eldest's dad apparently has 6 other kids by different women would be 7 but one lady he got pregnant (i became mates with her as he two timed us both) miscarried at 20weeks. his reply was "good, least i dont have to pay for it"

sadly he isn't the only bloke i know with an attitude like that

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

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Originally posted by lightfoot:
I was an unwilling teenage Mum.. way back in the 60's. I was raped by 3 men..one of those men
is the father to my son...BNP why not tell men to keep it in their pants??

Thanks.. he is now 42.. still cry..

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Originally posted by lightfoot:

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

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Originally posted by lightfoot:
I was an unwilling teenage Mum.. way back in the 60's. I was raped by 3 men..one of those men
is the father to my son...BNP why not tell men to keep it in their pants??

Thanks.. he is now 42.. still cry..

Ohh sweetie, I really don't know what to say.

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Originally posted by lightfoot:
I was an unwilling teenage Mum.. way back in the 60's. I was raped by 3 men..one of those men
is the father to my son...BNP why not tell men to keep it in their pants??

blimey luv,
thats awful
it really is
dont know what else to say

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Originally posted by angelicarwen:

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Originally posted by lightfoot:

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

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Originally posted by lightfoot:
I was an unwilling teenage Mum.. way back in the 60's. I was raped by 3 men..one of those men
is the father to my son...BNP why not tell men to keep it in their pants??

Thanks.. he is now 42.. still cry..

Ohh sweetie, I really don't know what to say.

He really is a hard working man and has never been out of a job for more than a few weeks..I was never a get a baby, get a house person..I really am proud of him and me..

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Originally posted by lightfoot:

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Originally posted by angelicarwen:

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Originally posted by lightfoot:

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

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Originally posted by lightfoot:
I was an unwilling teenage Mum.. way back in the 60's. I was raped by 3 men..one of those men
is the father to my son...BNP why not tell men to keep it in their pants??

Thanks.. he is now 42.. still cry..

Ohh sweetie, I really don't know what to say.

He really is a hard working man and has never been out of a job for more than a few weeks..I was never a get a baby, get a house person..I really am proud of him and me..

Just as you should be sweetie. The silver lining I suppose is the pride that you get when you look at him honey

Out of an awful thing Lightfoot came something really good, am happy for you.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
The housing list allocations policy for each area is usually available from the local authority webpages. My local one adds lots of points for being pregnant or having kids. You also get points for the length of time, upto a year, that you've been on the list. I'm told that you have to say that you've had an irreconcilable breakdown with your family if you're staying with parents to get a leg up after you've had a leg over and are bearing the fruits of it.

have to say, i was offered a 3 bedroom house within 9 months time of applying. course it was in a shitty area, and i was grateful! but i did NOT need a 3 bedroom house. there was only me and and 1 baby.

not like there aren't flats or even smaller houses available. i've seen families of 5 be offered a 2 bed house when i was given a 3 bed...that makes no sense

course i took it, but my council stick you back on the list again if you refuse an offering..but i actually would have prefered somewhere smaller cos i didn't have money/time to decorate

Each council has their own allocations policy (which has to be within certain legal parameters). Anyone in a high demand area who got pregnant to get a council house or HA property would be very foolish indeed as most of them have already moved away from this and others are moving fast. There was also a ruling recently (house of Lords) whereby needs are non cumulative which gives councils even more latitude and means if you are overcrowded and have say a medical need they don't have to give you any higher priority.

Hoobs you'll have got a 3 bedroom 'cos it was in a hard to let area and they'd rather put someone in there than leave it empty.