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Whether you like Susan Boyle or not, no-one can deny that her rise to fame has been meteroic.

I personally think that it's great that someone who has a naturally good voice (IMO,) has come to our attention, and is being noticed, especially as there are so many acts out there that are really not that good, and I actually do like Susan, and I like her singing. (Although I understand that not everyone is keen on her.)

And let's face it, all of her success and the 'hype' is not her fault, as she has been publicised like mad by the people around her, and it's the internet and the news that has made her so big worldwide. So all of the hype is totally not her fault.

And now after the hype and adoration; we have the negativity. People have been downright cruel and mean towards Susan, calling her all kinds of names and ridiculing her, and saying she is crap and she is dumb and she is 'arrogant' and 'full-of-herself.,' Piers Morgan has said that he thinks it's disgusting that people have behaved like this towards her, and that after 20 years at Fleet Street, he can handle this kind of barrage of hatred, but she is not equipped to deal with it.

So why do you think people are 'like' this? Why are people so nasty to someone who has simply become popular through a tv talent show and has done nothing to deserve the vitriol? Do we just love to build people up in this country, and then knock them down as fast as we put them up there?

And does it show that fame isn't what it's cracked up to be? I have heard many a horror story about how someone has become famous quickly, and then not been able to handle it, and how when someone becomes famous, there is a hardcore of haters who make nasty, vitriolic remarks, which let's face it, are cruel and unneccesary.

According to this news item, Susan is actually starting to lose it, and got very upset because someone had a go at her in public. (I don't know who on earth this person thought they were, attacking Susan for no reason at all, but they did.)

http://entertainment.uk.msn.co...=147619371>1=61503

So is fame all it's cracked up to be? And why do we - as a nation - rave about someone, and build them up so much, and then knock them down again? And why do some people plain and simple dislike or even hate Susan, to the point where they are pretty horrid about her, when she has done nothing to deserve the hatred? In fact, why ARE people so hateful to someone just because they think they don't deserve the adoration, or are bored hearing about them?

I would love to hear peoples' opinions and views on this.

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The reason why people are so nasty about Susan, is because they are jealous and bitter that someone who is extremely ordinary and has come from nowhere, is becoming so big and successful, and they have something better to do with their lives, other than attack people who are more successful than them, on internet message forums.

I actually feel very sorry for Susan, and also agree that all this hype about her is not her fault. She is a small fish in a very dark and dangerous ocean. And I think that the level of hatred that some people have for her is disgraceful and disgusting. People have been so mean and spiteful and should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

What are they doing with THEIR pathetic lives? Nothing, that's what. THAT is why they are jealous of Susan's success, and that is why they are mean and spiteful to many other folk who are very successful.
S
I really think the show's producer's are to blame. Pier's is moaning about how she isn't prepared for all this flak but he was, then they should have given her a bit of media training so she knew how to deal with it better, rather than exploit her to promote their show and make more money out of the poor woman. BB contestants have to go through and suffer MUCH worse flak than what she has had to endure. I think they were ill prepared and have created this dilemma themselves. It is after all of this a marketing technique for the show and gets it talked about more. I don't wish anyone to go through that but you can't expect to go onto a big TV show and not have anyone talk about you! Big Grin
faerykelstar
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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Aaaargh another Susan Boyle thread
I have been away since last weekend and just got back this morning, and I did not know there had been lots of SB threads. What's more, this is about why people are so nasty and negative about people who are successful and is not just about Susan Boyle. Do you have any views on it then?
CheekyPixie
As that Oscar one said, "There is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about!"

Trust me! As long as she is in the news it's more money for that Simon Cowell bloke, and possibly some for her too.

The worst scenario for her is that she should be ignored and that another one of the acts in this faecal matter might become more famous.
Garage Joe
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Originally posted by faerykelstar:
I really think the show's producer's are to blame. Pier's is moaning about how she isn't prepared for all this flak but he was, then they should have given her a bit of media training so she knew how to deal with it better, rather than exploit her to promote their show and make more money out of the poor woman. BB contestants have to go through and suffer MUCH worse flak than what she has had to endure. I think they were ill prepared and have created this dilemma themselves. It is after all of this a marketing technique for the show and gets it talked about more. I don't wish anyone to go through that but you can't expect to go onto a big TV show and not have anyone talk about you! Big Grin
No amount of 'media training' could have helped Susan to cope with this fame and the nasty remarks and negativity she has got. Also BB contestants are talentless wannabes who don't deserve a SHRED of recognition. Susan actually has talent. How would people here like it, if it was their friend/sister/mother/daughter in Susan's position, receiving all this negativity and spite?
CheekyPixie
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Originally posted by Deegs:
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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Aaaargh another Susan Boyle thread


First thing I thought too.........at the last count there were already about 3, weren't there? Disappointed Laugh


As I already said, I have been away since last weekend and just got back this morning, and I did not know there had been lots of SB threads. What's more, this is about why people are so nasty and negative about people who are successful and is not just about Susan Boyle. Do you have any views on it then?
CheekyPixie
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Originally posted by storm:
The reason why people are so nasty about Susan, is because they are jealous and bitter that someone who is extremely ordinary and has come from nowhere, is becoming so big and successful, and they have something better to do with their lives, other than attack people who are more successful than them, on internet message forums.

I actually feel very sorry for Susan, and also agree that all this hype about her is not her fault. She is a small fish in a very dark and dangerous ocean. And I think that the level of hatred that some people have for her is disgraceful and disgusting. People have been so mean and spiteful and should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

What are they doing with THEIR pathetic lives? Nothing, that's what. THAT is why they are jealous of Susan's success, and that is why they are mean and spiteful to many other folk who are very successful.
Very good post Storm, and I couldn't agree more. Thumbs Up
CheekyPixie
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Originally posted by Deegs:
Cheeky, here's a possibility to ponder. Maybe she's naturally talented AND just happens to be naturally bad-tempered too?
Thank you Thumbs Up Thanks for your opinion .. what do you think about why people are nasty about people who have become famous though? When they really don't deserve that vitriol? Why are folk so spiteful and mean? When all someone has done is become famous through being talented?
CheekyPixie
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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
As that Oscar one said, "There is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about!"

Trust me! As long as she is in the news it's more money for that Simon Cowell bloke, and possibly some for her too.

The worst scenario for her is that she should be ignored and that another one of the acts in this faecal matter might become more famous.

Clapping Positive and negative press comes with the fame game. Sad but true!
H
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Originally posted by Yogi 19:
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Originally posted by Cheeky-Pixie:
OMG PLEASE READ MY POSTS!!! I only just got back off hols and didn't KNOW there had been a lot of SB threads. And this isn't just about her ; it's about people being mean in general, about folk who have become famous!


Welcome back, CP. Hug
Thank you Valentine I honestly didn't know that there had been a lot of SB threads as I only just got back off my hols. And this thread is about why people knock people who are successful and enjoy knocking them down after they have been built up.
CheekyPixie
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Originally posted by Hollygolightly:

Clapping Positive and negative press comes with the fame game. Sad but true!
Thanks holly Smiler I wonder if Susan knew what a can of worms she would open when she went on this show. And I wonder why some people have been so very horrible about her? Are they jealous and bitter as storm said? (I think so actually..) Or is it that they can't understand the fuss at all, and their opinions comes across as hatred and bitterness? (to some..)
CheekyPixie
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Originally posted by Cheeky-Pixie:
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Originally posted by Deegs:
Cheeky, here's a possibility to ponder. Maybe she's naturally talented AND just happens to be naturally bad-tempered too?
Thank you Thumbs Up Thanks for your opinion .. what do you think about why people are nasty about people who have become famous though? When they really don't deserve that vitriol? Why are folk so spiteful and mean? When all someone has done is become famous through being talented?


Probably down to plain old resentment and envy, Cheeky. Simple as that.

However when a newly-discovered "star" really starts to believe their own hype & starts throwing major strops all over the place, maybe some of the criticism might be justified.

I still think "hatred" is too strong a word, though Disappointed
FM
Welcome back CP Hug. I really do feel sorry for her about the press attention and her Learning Difficulties but she should have known what she was getting into before she decided to audition and knew what it would have involved. I don't want her to win not because i'm jealous I prefer other acts, press are to blame for all this hype Nod, it's the other acts I feel sorry for having to turn up everyday when everything is about her they must be thinking whats the point, she'll still win though.
darloboy (Play The Game!)
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Originally posted by Deegs:

Probably down to plain old resentment and envy, Cheeky. Simple as that.

However when a newly-discovered "star" really starts to believe their own hype & starts throwing major strops all over the place, maybe some of the criticism might be justified.

I still think "hatred" is too strong a word, though Disappointed


Thank you Deegs .. Sorry for being snappy earlier in the thread, I just thought people were having a go at me Crying

Maybe hatred is too strong a word, and it's not a go at anyone on this forum, but there does seem to be quite a bit of vitriol aimed at Susan, (from some,) and I just don't think she deserves it, that's all...

Maybe there are some that believe their own hyope (lady ga ga is one,) but I don't think Susan falls into this category, I don't think she has that type of arrogant, 'I'm so bloody brilliant' personality about her, and I fully blame the media, and not her.

So maybe it is resentlent and envy from some... Nod
CheekyPixie
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Originally posted by Cheeky-Pixie:
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Originally posted by Yogi 19:
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Originally posted by Cheeky-Pixie:
OMG PLEASE READ MY POSTS!!! I only just got back off hols and didn't KNOW there had been a lot of SB threads. And this isn't just about her ; it's about people being mean in general, about folk who have become famous!


Welcome back, CP. Hug
Thank you Valentine I honestly didn't know that there had been a lot of SB threads as I only just got back off my hols. And this thread is about why people knock people who are successful and enjoy knocking them down after they have been built up.


Don`t worry about the duplicate thread thing, it`s very easily done. Hug
Re your original post, I don`t honestly know why the media love to build people up, only to knock them down. Maybe, it`s just to show that they CAN do it. The old "we made you and we can break you" mentality.
Yogi19
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Originally posted by darloboy07:
Welcome back CP Hug. I really do feel sorry for her about the press attention and her Learning Difficulties but she should have known what she was getting into before she decided to audition and knew what it would have involved. I don't want her to win not because i'm jealous I prefer other acts, press are to blame for all this hype Nod, it's the other acts I feel sorry for having to turn up everyday when everything is about her they must be thinking whats the point, she'll still win though.
Hi Darlo hun Valentine Thanks for your views. What do you think about how people are so spiteful and critical about people who become successful though? Why do we as a nation, like to build someone up and then knock them down again? I mean what has Susan done to deserve this?
CheekyPixie
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Originally posted by Yogi 19:
Don`t worry about the duplicate thread thing, it`s very easily done. Hug
Re your original post, I don`t honestly know why the media love to build people up, only to knock them down. Maybe, it`s just to show that they CAN do it. The old "we made you and we can break you" mentality.
Thanks Yogi Hug You could be right, Thumbs Up But we as a nation are terrible for doing this. I remember how awful David Beckham was treated a few years back, after being flavour of the month for ages, and it also happened to Leo DiCaprio, one of my fave actors. He went from the most amazing young actor of his generation to a fat tosser who can't even act. Then he got adulation again, and then picked up a bunch of people along the way who constantly slag him off. Other stars suffer the same fate.
CheekyPixie
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Originally posted by Cheeky-Pixie:
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Originally posted by darloboy07:
Welcome back CP Hug. I really do feel sorry for her about the press attention and her Learning Difficulties but she should have known what she was getting into before she decided to audition and knew what it would have involved. I don't want her to win not because i'm jealous I prefer other acts, press are to blame for all this hype Nod, it's the other acts I feel sorry for having to turn up everyday when everything is about her they must be thinking whats the point, she'll still win though.
Hi Darlo hun Valentine Thanks for your views. What do you think about how people are so spiteful and critical about people who become successful though? Why do we as a nation, like to build someone up and then knock them down again? I mean what has Susan done to deserve this?



I honestly believe people are just sick of hearing the hype about her everyday and seeing her on the news etc everyday. The press are to blame for this maybe if the interest wasn't as big as it is then people would warm to her more. She is talented though.
darloboy (Play The Game!)
Cheeky.......no prob. I was only messing Hug

I think with Susan, it's more a case of her being absolutely GIDDY with all the hype, attention & excitement. Surely she's a classic example of "Zero to Hero"

I've also mentioned in a couple of other threads something I believe shouldn't be overlooked. She is obviously "of a certain age" and her hormones must be raging.

I just hope she has folk around her trying to keep her as calm & grounded as possible. I also hope she makes shed-loads of money out of this Thumbs Up Because, IMO, she's not marketable or emotionally able to cope with this business on the long-haul.
FM
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Originally posted by Cheeky-Pixie:
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Originally posted by Yogi 19:
Don`t worry about the duplicate thread thing, it`s very easily done. Hug
Re your original post, I don`t honestly know why the media love to build people up, only to knock them down. Maybe, it`s just to show that they CAN do it. The old "we made you and we can break you" mentality.
Thanks Yogi Hug You could be right, Thumbs Up But we as a nation are terrible for doing this. I remember how awful David Beckham was treated a few years back, after being flavour of the month for ages, and it also happened to Leo DiCaprio, one of my fave actors. He went from the most amazing young actor of his generation to a fat tosser who can't even act. Then he got adulation again, and then picked up a bunch of people along the way who constantly slag him off. Other stars suffer the same fate.


So true. I am unsure whether the media reflect our society, or vice versa. Either way, it`s a pretty unpleasant state of affairs.
Yogi19
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Originally posted by Cheeky-Pixie:
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Originally posted by Hollygolightly:

Clapping Positive and negative press comes with the fame game. Sad but true!
Thanks holly Smiler I wonder if Susan knew what a can of worms she would open when she went on this show. And I wonder why some people have been so very horrible about her? Are they jealous and bitter as storm said? (I think so actually..) Or is it that they can't understand the fuss at all, and their opinions comes across as hatred and bitterness? (to some..)

HI CP - welcome back Hug I actually think that the BGT pr people have turned the public against Susan, too much exposure (which is a very real shame. They should have just let her get on with it, have her moments in the sun and probably go on to win the show) Personally I don't think folk are jealous but thats only my opinion.(Dermantoid put it very well when she said the whole hype started with her plain appearance and ability to sing) However, I think that Susan will have to be monitored carefully beacause it could all go so terribly wrong for her and that for me would be the real shame in this whole drama.
H
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Originally posted by darloboy07:


I honestly believe people are just sick of hearing the hype about her everyday and seeing her on the news etc everyday. The press are to blame for this maybe if the interest wasn't as big as it is then people would warm to her more. She is talented though.
Perhaps Darlo. Maybe people just get sick to death of hearing about her, but I do find the nastiness unessessary, and as for Lily Allen's comments;; what a spiteful tirade! I mean she is only famous coz she has a bloody famous dad! Cheeky cow. Let's face it though, Lily is always slagging someone off! (See I can be mean too Laugh ) Actually Lily is OK, but she really annoyed me having a go at SuBo.
CheekyPixie
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So why do you think people are 'like' this? Why are people so nasty to someone who has simply become popular through a tv talent show and has done nothing to deserve the vitriol? Do we just love to build people up in this country, and then knock them down as fast as we put them up there?

...... and therein lies the crux Pixie. The great British trait of building someone up and then knocking them down like a game of skittles!

I really am beginning to feel sorry for the woman.

She never sought this hype - she merely wanted to take her chances by entering BGT and now has to face this barrage of abuse for which she is totally unprepared!
HyacinthB
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Originally posted by Deegs:
Cheeky.......no prob. I was only messing Hug

I think with Susan, it's more a case of her being absolutely GIDDY with all the hype, attention & excitement. Surely she's a classic example of "Zero to Hero"

I've also mentioned in a couple of other threads something I believe shouldn't be overlooked. She is obviously "of a certain age" and her hormones must be raging.

I just hope she has folk around her trying to keep her as calm & grounded as possible. I also hope she makes shed-loads of money out of this Thumbs Up Because, IMO, she's not marketable or emotionally able to cope with this business on the long-haul.
Awwwwww, thanks Deegs Hug Thanks for your comments too Smiler
CheekyPixie
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Originally posted by HyacinthB:
...... and therein lies the crux Pixie. The great British trait of building someone up and then knocking them down like a game of skittles!

I really am beginning to feel sorry for the woman.

She never sought this hype - she merely wanted to take her chances by entering BGT and now has to face this barrage for which she is totally unprepared!
Well said Hyacinth and a very good post. We are - as a nation - awful for doing this aren't we? Frowner
CheekyPixie
i disagree that she knew what she was getting into when she auditioned........she turned up.....same as everyone else to try her luck......

she got through and it went mental.....it wasn't her fault millions watched her on you tube....wasn't her fault demi moore wrote about her....all she did was sing......i doubt very much when she opened her mouth that first audition she knew what was going to happen next......after all.....diversity and flawless aren't being invited on oprah are they????....they're just talked about in the uk as an act on bgt......not susan boyle's fault the media went into a frenzy about her.....

the only thing she might've expected if she got through was to appear in the papers here....same as all the other contestants....

she's gone from being a complete unknown....to being globally known in a few short months......now she can't move without someone writing about it.....now that's going to be difficult for anyone to adjust too.....never mind someone with her difficulties

good luck to her i say....
SS

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