Originally Posted by Baz:

Lol. Let me pose some questions ? . Lets go back to the beginning ? Who chose the two HMs that would decide who went in the basement ? Was it a coincidence that all those who ended up in the basement had warmer clothes on ? Who set it up for Speidies to be the ones to *eavesdrop* ? What reaction would you expect from a person hearing a group of other people * supposedly * talking about them ? Call me cynical but IMO it's all by design Ergo , it no longer becomes a battle of who is the nicest , but who is the most convincing * character* ... And I don't think anyone would disagree that Spiedie have managed to make themselves almost universally disliked

Oh I agree with you Baz, other than the bolded bit, all set up by BB producers to cause bother, but sometimes good does prevail over evil, and I don't see why we have to go along with it and play into their hands   If the public had not voted for Spencer and Heidi the plan wouldn't have worked and BB would have got a message about what we want from the show. Seems that they've got the opposite msg, so it's likely to continue. Hey ho, that's what the majority  appear to want, so who am I to argue, who wouldn't dream of picking up a phone to vote or of buying any of those trashy newspapers and mags

I think that's what irks me most - there are obviously people voting for them to stay because they think they're good TV, so next year, we're just going to get more of the same.  I never thought I'd see the day when I genuinely wish the show would be scrapped.    Either that or I need to go cold turkey and cure my addiction.

Like all good game players, think they've adapted their strategy since then YR

I'm sorry it's spoilt it for you Kaffy Let's face it, BB/CBB ended with C4. I guess that's why I have decided that if I'm going to watch it the only way I can do it is tongue in cheek But , as I said to Soozy last night, I don't really understand why being anti Speidies makes you a * lone voice* ...far from it . I'd say that it makes you one of the majority , both on here and around the interwub

See, that's what makes you more open minded and accepting than some here I can't agree with the "scripts" and conspiracy theories though

I have a feeling that we're going to be 'graced' with their presence for some time to come MrsH

They're now trying a new one, "we like you" "we don't like you" "we like you" "we don't like you" they're messing with their heads 

Mind you, must be the longest it's ever taken on a BB forum for someone to dob the 'racial abuse' square on the BB bingo card

I'm sorry it's spoilt it for you Kaffy Let's face it, BB/CBB ended with C4. I guess that's why I have decided that if I'm going to watch it the only way I can do it is tongue in cheek But , as I said to Soozy last night, I don't really understand why being anti Speidies makes you a * lone voice* ...far from it . I'd say that it makes you one of the majority , both on here and around the interwub

Don't really look or post elsewhere Baz, but the voting and the betting odds seem to suggest that they're v popular.  I think supporting them, tongue in cheek or otherwise, gives a msg to C5 about what we want from hms that I personally would prefer they didn't get, but hey ho, each to their own enjoyment

Lol. Let me pose some questions ? . Lets go back to the beginning ? Who chose the two HMs that would decide who went in the basement ? Was it a coincidence that all those who ended up in the basement had warmer clothes on ? Who set it up for Speidies to be the ones to *eavesdrop* ? What reaction would you expect from a person hearing a group of other people * supposedly * talking about them ? Call me cynical but IMO it's all by design Ergo , it no longer becomes a battle of who is the nicest , but who is the most convincing * character* ... And I don't think anyone would disagree that Spiedie have managed to make themselves almost universally disliked

The production team chose Frankie and Rylan, but, yes, it was a coincidence that they chose those with the warmest clothes. Firstly, if they could, they chose the men to go down to the basement and it was more likely that the men weren't wearing sparkly evening gowns and high heels, but also Frankie and Rylan couldn't see what the HMs were wearing, but were judging them on their VTs.

The production team also chose the eavesdroppers. Whether they would always have chosen Speidi, I don't know, but I'm guessing that the fact that Speidi had been so offended by being sent to the basement, had refused to greet half the house, had refused to talk to Frankie, when he was sent down there, and were therefore already pretty unpopular with the others, would have made it a fairly easy decision. If anyone else had been eavesdropping, all they would have heard was what a shame it was that they had decided to walk, apart from Speidi talking crap about them, I suppose.  

Judging by a comment by another HM the other evening, something about Twitter followers , Speidies weren't the only ones checking out the opposition prior to the show YR Unless of course they have access to the Internet in the House , and even that wouldn't surprise me

Sure they all will have checked out others beforehand, my point was more that Speidi set their stall out to be nasty, publicly, before they even entered the house, so hardly victims as was being suggested earlier

Oh ok Super Maybe I should rephrase it as *IMO Ergo ....

LOL No, not at all, I knew it was your opinion,  just don't happen to agree with it

Quote from Blizzie "but also Frankie and Rylan couldn't see what the HMs were wearing, but were judging them on their VTs."

Yes that's what a lot of viewers didn't/don't seem to realise. The question of those with coats was addressed very early by Brian on BOTS because there were so many messages on Twitter etc from those thinking it was a fix

But, even if you don't believe the scripted angle , the production team would have done their homework Blizzie and known exactly what would happen . As far as I'm concerned at the very, very least C5 are yanking their chains , and most certainly ours

Of course and they know that we know eff all, because they won't give us live feed. 

So, we are meant to accept that Claire, Trish and Gillian are all boring, because they barely make the highlight shows. They've given the vast majority of tasks (especially the 'starring roles') to the blokes and Speidi and then BBBOTS go on and on about how the others aren't doing anything. I was in full rant mode when Gillian came out and proved to be likeable, amusing, informative and interesting. I don't doubt that she was like that in the house, especially as all the others were so shocked that she had left.

Interesting debate going on with BB fans and https://twitter.com/ianiansymes  

Ian Symes‏@ianiansymes

          .@BigBro789 Well, I doubt many of the quieter HMs would have given us such great results. It also gives Rylan et al revenge for the basement

Ian Symes‏@ianiansymes

          .@kilesima Task team and senior producers decide who does which tasks. As I've said, Speidi doing this one seems entirely fair to me

I think you must agree though Super, that apart from Shilpa , the GBP have never voted for a * foreigner* to win BB . Even Tricia and Claire mentioned it ( scripted or not ) , and it's certainly gets mentioned on the Official BB forums

No, just Shilpa and Nadia, although someone's race or culture would never have any impact on my like or dislike of a hm. Would be interesting to see how many non nationals 'win' reality shows in other countries, guess it would be much the same?

Originally Posted by Baz:

I think you must agree though Super, that apart from Shilpa , the GBP have never voted for a * foreigner* to win BB . Even Tricia and Claire mentioned it ( scripted or not ) , and it's certainly gets mentioned on the Official BB forums

No, just Shilpa and Nadia, although someone's race or culture would never have any impact on my like or dislike of a hm. Would be interesting to see how many non nationals 'win' reality shows in other countries, guess it would be much the same?

Totally agree.

In Shilpa's year, the top three were all foreigners.

Maybe if they stopped choosing idiotic, up-themselves Pratts, it would help?

Originally Posted by Supes:

Originally Posted by Baz:

I think you must agree though Super, that apart from Shilpa , the GBP have never voted for a * foreigner* to win BB . Even Tricia and Claire mentioned it ( scripted or not ) , and it's certainly gets mentioned on the Official BB forums

No, just Shilpa and Nadia, although someone's race or culture would never have any impact on my like or dislike of a hm. Would be interesting to see how many non nationals 'win' reality shows in other countries, guess it would be much the same?

Totally agree.

In Shilpa's year, the top three were all foreigners.

 

Maybe if they stopped choosing idiotic, up-themselves Pratts, it would help?

Sad thing is that's not going to happen because people are voting to keep them because they think it's 'good tv'    As supes says - it's sending the wrong message to C5     I can't actually believe how gutted I am at the way the show has gone.

Blizzie I am only too well aware that we haven't seen much of the other HMs ...in fact , that's my point Without LF we are totally at C5s mercy. But conversely , IMO if we acknowledge that point it's a bit naive to believe all the rest of the rubbish they feed us I.e this HM all good, that HM all bad . C5 are playing us , or at least trying too

That's probably why I was agreeing with your point then. 

Not sure who you think is being naive here. Speidi have obviously come in with an agenda and I think they thought that being the villains would pay off. To my mind, they have just made it boring.  

Agreed and me too. 

That was meant to be a disappointed face smiley. I'm not really in tears. 

Originally Posted by Baz:

Blizzie I am only too well aware that we haven't seen much of the other HMs ...in fact , that's my point Without LF we are totally at C5s mercy. But conversely , IMO if we acknowledge that point it's a bit naive to believe all the rest of the rubbish they feed us I.e this HM all good, that HM all bad . C5 are playing us , or at least trying too

That's probably why I was agreeing with your point then. 

 

Not sure who you think is being naive here. Speidi have obviously come in with an agenda and I think they thought that being the villains would pay off. To my mind, they have just made it boring.  

I was talking generally  But I do think the agenda is as much, if not more, C5's than Speidies...

We are all debating Speidi/Rylan and it's just been posted on DS that Tricia's odds have gone from 100/1 to 4/1   thousand have been placed on her to win in the last 24 hours ,she is now 2nd fav to win the show!!

Looks like we will be seeing alot of Tricia this week.

I should really dislike Speidi,but I  can't help but like them.I don't like any of the rest in there so that helps.They amuse me at times,none of the others have so they get my free votes.

Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:

Originally Posted by Baz:

Blizzie I am only too well aware that we haven't seen much of the other HMs ...in fact , that's my point Without LF we are totally at C5s mercy. But conversely , IMO if we acknowledge that point it's a bit naive to believe all the rest of the rubbish they feed us I.e this HM all good, that HM all bad . C5 are playing us , or at least trying too

That's probably why I was agreeing with your point then. 

 

Not sure who you think is being naive here. Speidi have obviously come in with an agenda and I think they thought that being the villains would pay off. To my mind, they have just made it boring.  

I was talking generally  But I do think the agenda is as much, if not more, C5's than Speidies...

I don't think so - going by the youtube clip of them in the jungle being the villains is Speidi's usual M.O.

Yes... I read that earlier Erinp.....now if she wins it really will be a travesty

Originally Posted by Baz:

Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:

Originally Posted by Baz:

Blizzie I am only too well aware that we haven't seen much of the other HMs ...in fact , that's my point Without LF we are totally at C5s mercy. But conversely , IMO if we acknowledge that point it's a bit naive to believe all the rest of the rubbish they feed us I.e this HM all good, that HM all bad . C5 are playing us , or at least trying too

That's probably why I was agreeing with your point then. 

 

Not sure who you think is being naive here. Speidi have obviously come in with an agenda and I think they thought that being the villains would pay off. To my mind, they have just made it boring.  

I was talking generally  But I do think the agenda is as much, if not more, C5's than Speidies...

I don't think so - going by the youtube clip of them in the jungle being the villains is Speidi's usual M.O.

But that's exactly why C5 chose them Kaffy

Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:

Originally Posted by Baz:

Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:

Originally Posted by Baz:

Blizzie I am only too well aware that we haven't seen much of the other HMs ...in fact , that's my point Without LF we are totally at C5s mercy. But conversely , IMO if we acknowledge that point it's a bit naive to believe all the rest of the rubbish they feed us I.e this HM all good, that HM all bad . C5 are playing us , or at least trying too

That's probably why I was agreeing with your point then. 

 

Not sure who you think is being naive here. Speidi have obviously come in with an agenda and I think they thought that being the villains would pay off. To my mind, they have just made it boring.  

I was talking generally  But I do think the agenda is as much, if not more, C5's than Speidies...

I don't think so - going by the youtube clip of them in the jungle being the villains is Speidi's usual M.O.

But that's exactly why C5 chose them Kaffy

I know that - but I thought when you said it was more C5's agenda that they were making them play the villains.     They just knew they were casting them.  I still don't think it's 'scripted' as such.   Manipulated by the production team, but that's all.

But she might be the best in there. We have no idea. 

Originally Posted by Baz:

Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:

Originally Posted by Baz:

Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:

Originally Posted by Baz:

Blizzie I am only too well aware that we haven't seen much of the other HMs ...in fact , that's my point Without LF we are totally at C5s mercy. But conversely , IMO if we acknowledge that point it's a bit naive to believe all the rest of the rubbish they feed us I.e this HM all good, that HM all bad . C5 are playing us , or at least trying too

That's probably why I was agreeing with your point then. 

 

Not sure who you think is being naive here. Speidi have obviously come in with an agenda and I think they thought that being the villains would pay off. To my mind, they have just made it boring.  

I was talking generally  But I do think the agenda is as much, if not more, C5's than Speidies...

I don't think so - going by the youtube clip of them in the jungle being the villains is Speidi's usual M.O.

But that's exactly why C5 chose them Kaffy

I know that - but I thought when you said it was more C5's agenda that they were making them play the villains.     They just knew they were casting them.  I still don't think it's 'scripted' as such.   Manipulated by the production team, but that's all.

Truth is one way or the other we will never know Kaffy. Let's face it, we know nothing of what is going on, except for that hour and the bits and pieces they deem to throw us via twitter and the FB clips.... and the majority of those are lifted from the next days HL show 

But, even if you don't believe the scripted angle , the production team would have done their homework Blizzie and known exactly what would happen . As far as I'm concerned at the very, very least C5 are yanking their chains , and most certainly ours

Agrees

I know.. just makes me more gutted.    It's also why I defend Rylan on the 'playing to the cameras'  all the time comments.   He may well do - but he may well only do it now and again, but it all makes the highlights.   We've seen him have two serious conversations - about gay parenthood.. who knows that there haven't been more?

Couldn't agree more Blizz, and of course if there had been lf maybe we would have seen more of the laughs and fun that Gillian et al clearly had....and seen Speidi sleeping/in bed the majority of the time 

Well him I can do without seeing more of