Well said Temps. I agree .

See... that's where I differ in opinion Erin.    for me the show's already died on its ass BECAUSE of them.   You can't say it would have died without them, because we were never given the option to see how the HMs would have been on a 'normal' BB       IMO it could only have been more entertaining, because I watch to see 'normal' interraction, not manipulated responses.    I don't mind a bit of bitching if it's a case of certain hms not gelling and winding each other up - but these two as so fake, I doubt they'd even recognise their real selves if they met them.

Without even meeting these people they had judged and sidelined them, so I don't see why they could expect anything else.

Hello btw - good to see you      All of these comments are, of course, based on the premise that anything we're seeing isn't totally scripted

Well you know my feelings on that point Kaffy The way I see it is that C5 got in touch with Speidies agent (or vice versa) and said * hey , we wondered if your guys would like to come over and be in BB . The role we want you to play is the villain of the piece . We will of course help things along for you by setting you up from the word go , and feeding you your lines * The Speidies agents said * ok , great, see y'all over there * Job done . Mind you , I doubt they told Tricia, Gillian and Claire's agents that their roles were as non-entities Having said that , I agree with Temps, the anti American stance that is apparent in the show and in comments all over the net grinds my gears !! Dislike them for who they are , fair enough , but it's not necessary to disparage their nationality .

Oh and I think saying they harped on about how wonderful it is too be able to shoot people is pushing it a bit

I don't care who wins I'm just glad Rylan got more money to go in than the others..Lets face it CBB is'nt life changing to any of them in there..As for playing the villain what will that bring?..a 1 month stint in a panto in Bournmouth....

Well we certainly know their name now Stonks .

Does'nt make a difference Baz, as soon as this is over they'll be back in America slating England hoping to get a show about their experience....

 

I dont know if I am 100% right but I was under the impression they donate their fee to a chosen charity - if this is the case then I hope it was written into the Pratts contract and they dont do a runner with it 

 

homeless - broke and jobless they dont have much to go back to!!

I don't think they do Mrs H - Denise went in last year to clear a tax bill, didn't she?

Yeah.. that was a bit of artistic licence... but I still find the whole gun stance thing scary.    Let's face it... why have it if you're not prepared to use it.    I know they plead 'protection' but i'm not the old testament 'eye for an eye' kind  - that's what got the world into this mess imo.

What's your weather like Kaffy?

 

Sis is due to drive up to Cupar this afternoon and looks dodgy according to the Met Office 

It's fine here, donks - light dusting this morning, but all gone again.   Mind, we're right on the coast and it's all up hill to Cupar from here, so if there's been more it might be a bit worse up there.  Haven't heard that is though  

Thanks Kaffs  

I think their fee is seperate MrH, the prize money goes to their selected charity, the winner never see's that it goes directly..

Agree 100 % Kaffy.

 

I also didn't hate Speidi before they came in as I'd never heard of them!

 

ahh I see - I know I had heard charity somewhere connected 

Yes erinp and they've certainly fulfilled their contract, having been brought in there by C5 from across the pond to create 'good tv'() by stirring up disharmony and ill-feeling with our home 'celebs' and successfully showing us how to 'really' play a game show. They did their homework well, knowing for e.g. that Rylan was unpopular with a lot of the public from X factor and an emotional type, so he would be an easy target and 'fair game' whilst others were largely best left alone, particularly Gillian/Kathie Beal, who they knew was a bit of a national treasure.  They've remained aloof and emotionally and often physically disconnected throughout, never having been in there to 'play nice' or make any of the other hm's Christmas card lists, rather to make money and get themselves v much in the public eye over here, so from their pov I'm sure their stint on this 'season's' BB has been a roaring success. More fool the British public for aiding and abetting them in that mission I say. 

First real fail in their carefully thought out plan and 'reality show iq' for them I think YR, they'd managed to keep their constant bitching, bile and bad mouthing of the others to themselves, however in the rush of blood that went to their heads, thinking that they were the most popular hms on the outside and therefore chosen for the blog chat they forgot that BB could be up to something! You actually hear Spencer suddenly clicking afterwards and  saying that he hoped it wasn't broadcast to the house and Heidi saying  she was convinced that it wouldn't be. 

That line always makes me pmsl Soozy, they just want their moneys worth from the fees they've paid out and as much money as they can get from the public vote and post show stories in Desmond's rags. In that regard, their casting, manipulating and editing to create a Speidi v Rylan and the rest of the hms show will surely pay off handsomely for them. 

I don't think that they'd consider being called 'The Americans' insulting in any way temps, q the opposite, nor do I see anything racially or culturally motivated, it's their behaviour alone that has them disliked, behaviour that is deliberate on their part. In fact, the only ticking off for derogatory racial comments that we know of this series is to Spencer for comments to Frankie re him being Italian.  

They purposely set out to be disliked and remain separate from the group from the minute they walked in there, that was part of their game plan, Spencer said early on that his plan was to get the other hms to hate him so much that they would want to leave. And they started bad mouthing those in the main house from seconds of arriving and  being put in the basement by Frankie and Rylan also refusing to even go out and meet the other hms until they were put in the main house. 

Ha Ha, hadn't read this page before my multi-replies, looks like we agree once again Kaffs

Quote from Supes "More fool the British public for aiding and abetting them in that mission I say."

 

They're enabling them, by the public keeping them in they think they've found the winning formula. I think Soozy's summed them up best in one word - spiteful. They've been like that since the first night because they were put in the basement. They've never forgiven Rylan for that...they've reminded him several times. They've drawn the hm's into their speidi web a few times by letting them believe they're fine with them now and then they pounce with their spiteful tongue.

Spot on!

Lol. Let me pose some questions ? . Lets go back to the beginning ? Who chose the two HMs that would decide who went in the basement ? Was it a coincidence that all those who ended up in the basement had warmer clothes on ? Who set it up for Speidies to be the ones to *eavesdrop* ? What reaction would you expect from a person hearing a group of other people * supposedly * talking about them ? Call me cynical but IMO it's all by design Ergo , it no longer becomes a battle of who is the nicest , but who is the most convincing * character* ... And I don't think anyone would disagree that Spiedie have managed to make themselves almost universally disliked

Oh and Team Speidies

Remember Frankie another XFactor reject ,well Rylan is this years Frankie.When CBB is over so will his 'career' ,if he had any talent it might have been different ,but he doesn't .

Speidi are all to aware that they are talentless, and that their 15 mins of fame are up.

They are the only reason I'm sticking with the show the rest are turgid bores.

I agree Erinp . I think Speidies are actually as self aware as anyone in there , and more than most

Oh I think they had their eye on Rylan long before that YR, they were talking about him in the press and said that all of the hms were a bunch of wierdos.

 

"We've heard lots of names and seen lots of photos -- some of them will be horrifying. It's going to be hard because I really don't like other people. I'm ready to get in there. I'm ready to do battle. It's on," Pratt, 29, said in pre-taped interview. "We definitely want to win. My game plan is to make everyone just want to quit and leave."

I get all these arguments Baz, I really do..but it doesn't change the fact that for whatever reason they're in there and whoever decided to do it, Speidi being in there, whether acting or not, have ruined the show for me.    I used to always prefer the Celebrity version of this show because in the main, the characters had nothing to prove and they were interesting to watch - this show is totally crap.    It's not even the fact that it's faked (if it is)   I watch Made in Chelsea  and that states clearly in the credits 'Some scenes are created for your entertainment'  i just find nothing entertaining about CBB this year.    Oh, and as a wee addition to Temps mentioning the American thing - I was a Madsen Maniac, so that's  got nothing to do with it.

  Nice not being the only voice in the wilderness huh?  

Oh I agree with you Baz, other than the bolded bit, all set up by BB producers to cause bother, but sometimes good does prevail over evil, and I don't see why we have to go along with it and play into their hands   If the public had not voted for Spencer and Heidi the plan wouldn't have worked and BB would have got a message about what we want from the show. Seems that they've got the opposite msg, so it's likely to continue. Hey ho, that's what the majority  appear to want, so who am I to argue, who wouldn't dream of picking up a phone to vote or of buying any of those trashy newspapers and mags

It's because we're right 'though of course Kaffs

I'm sorry it's spoilt it for you Kaffy Let's face it, BB/CBB ended with C4. I guess that's why I have decided that if I'm going to watch it the only way I can do it is tongue in cheek But , as I said to Soozy last night, I don't really understand why being anti Speidies makes you a * lone voice* ...far from it . I'd say that it makes you one of the majority , both on here and around the interwub

I didn't know they'd read up on the hm's before going in. Well their game plan failed, nobody's quit

Sorry Super, I'm on the app , so can't see any bolded bits Which bits are they ?

Not really Baz... although a lot don't like them they say they make show.  i don't think so.

Ergo , it no longer becomes a battle of who is the nicest , but who is the most convincing * character*

Judging by a comment by another HM the other evening, something about Twitter followers , Speidies weren't the only ones checking out the opposition prior to the show YR Unless of course they have access to the Internet in the House , and even that wouldn't surprise me