Just to develop the debate further. Apprently 49% of parents want corporal punishment returned to schools
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/49pe...s-back-caning-return
Wud you like to think your school dealt with unruly behaviour in this way?
Seems the "smacking" debate aint so clear cut 
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I have to say I disagree with teachers hitting pupils, but I think parents shouldn't get arrested if they do.. Provided of course they don't cross that line of abuse..
But, I have no kids so I'm really not one to offer a realistic opinion..I'm in favour as a deterent but wouldn't like to see the cane used. when i was at school a "rough" comprehensive of over 2,000 pupils i only remember the cane being used once, one of the most misbehaved boys was in my class but he never went too far because of the threat of the cane, i was a governor at a secondary modern (we still have the 11+ in lincs) which had a bad reputation (deservedly) and the ultimate detterent was suspension or to be expelled, both of which were treated as a hoiday, the cane would have been used and may have acted as a deterent to those who were "on the fringe" of disruption
My kids' school has a special section for disruptive children. They stay there for varying amounts of time. Not ideal, but at least the rest of the class can learn.
Beating them used to be a mark of honour, at my old school, suspension was a holiday and exclusion meant you were out on the streets, causing trouble.
Our school does litter duty, as punishment! 
Having attended a grammar school where corporal punishment, or AOABH, as we now call it, was in vogue, I can now say that it was a complete waste of time. Teachers demanded respect and got it. Meanwhile the headmaster dished it out for the flimsiest of reasons and one can't help but think that if there had been better publicised specialist prostitution in those days for people such as the headmaster then all would have been well. At least Max Mosely was up front about it.
Its odd how "fashions" change
Wen i trained as a teacher it was all but taboo!!
Ickles grammar school used "isolation" as a punishment (mainly instead of detention.. my theory is that it was preferable to the staff as no one had to stay late to supervise detention).. Isolation meant that they had to spend the day sitting at a desk in the corridor outside the staff room & heads office. None of the other kids were allowed (or supposed to) talk to the isolation person as they filed past (but they did). They missed all lessons that day.. having to write the usual waste of time detention essay instead.. & then the onus was on them to run around and beg classmates for notes on lessons missed.
It wasn't really a deterent.. but it did serve as a punishment.. no kid wanted to be isolated.
They put Ickle on isolation ON HER BIRTHDAY!! for writing "Rheena likes willys" on the back of Rheenas handmade birthday card.. So.. when I think about ^^^ & how much I disagreed with the school I am bloody glad they don't use corporal punishment.. I'd have been up there baying for blood if they had laid a finger on her.
Perhaps there should be an option. one whack of the cane on the hand or suspension (then the kid & parents can decide)...
They need to do something in some schools.. uncontrollable kids affect the education of the whole class. Exclusion is fine with me.. round here there is a "contact centre" that excluded kids go to.. its main focus is to get them literate & numerate.
The smacking debate in general.. pretty much been done & done again & then done again hasn't it.
Same conclusion everytime.. in an ideal world there'd be no smacking. In the real world most parents find themselves giving their kids a tap at some point. The line between this & abuse may be difficult to define on paper.. but its pretty obvious in reality. Common Sense n all that.
We had corporal punishment at my primary school.I got the leather strap (tawse, in Scotland) You were slapped on the palm of your hand with it,boy did it sting.It didn't really stop the"regular" offenders though.This was the sixties.I went to an all girls secondary grammar school,no corporal puishment there,you got lines or detention.
i thought you were a social worker renton?
anyways, we had litter duty at our school... used to slink off into the gardens out the back and have a fag in the bushes, the big yellow one..
anyways, we had litter duty at our school... used to slink off into the gardens out the back and have a fag in the bushes, the big yellow one..
A big, yellow fag? 
My little ones came home from school and said a group of children led by a girl ganged up on a boy they didnt like and told everyone to run after him down the school field in lunch hour and shout to everyone to strangle him!
Ive never heard the likes, 10 year olds, the school is having a fit as its normally a very high standard grounded school. they need to take it seriously, as some of this turning their backs on bullying just isnt working.
If it was my kid, id have the police at everyone's door, until i got something sorted major.
Big yellow bush...
Someone needs a maths lesson! The story says, initially, that 49% of parents thought that corporal punishment such as the cane or slipper should be brought back. Then it says that 40% of parents agreed that caning or smacking should be used and that 53% were against it!
Someone needs a maths lesson! The story says, initially, that 49% of parents thought that corporal punishment such as the cane or slipper should be brought back. Then it says that 40% of parents agreed that caning or smacking should be used and that 53% were against it!
Indeed! 
And I wonder what the figures would be if they specifically asked parents, "Would you mind your child being caned, or smacked, by teachers?"
I worry about you Renton.
Corporal punishment in school and smacking at home is unaccetable.
Some ppl are shouting for capital punishment to return. What's next, the stocks, dunking the witch?
thanks for showing me your bush kat.
jaundice, bliz..
Corporal punishment in school and smacking at home is unaccetable.
Some ppl are shouting for capital punishment to return. What's next, the stocks, dunking the witch?
Being drunked would be ok, but I don't want dunked 
Someone needs a maths lesson! The story says, initially, that 49% of parents thought that corporal punishment such as the cane or slipper should be brought back. Then it says that 40% of parents agreed that caning or smacking should be used and that 53% were against it!
Indeed!
And I wonder what the figures would be if they specifically asked parents, "Would you mind your child being caned, or smacked, by teachers?"
Good point Blizzie!
I have to say that asking opinions on Corporal Punishment, after the recent rioting, will inevitably produce knee jerk reaction opinions.
In my opinion Corporal punishment, "Hitting" at home (I call it hitting, because a tap on the hand to stop a child touching something that will hurt them, IMO is not bad) creates resentment, and teaches nothing.
But I do think "Parenting" needs to be taught, If a child misbehaves in school, the child should be afraid (not of physical punishment) but of the reaction from family.
Well as a teacher, I would resign if asked to discipline children in that way. I am sure the unions and the NSPCC would have something to say about it too!
Syd here is a good a place as any to mention about nature or nurture.
We talked about it in full on another thread ages ago, then a week ago in the tv a programme docu was on about the same thing, and what makes a killer etc?
The scientific proof they did and the research did actually show it was a mixture of both and the rule was ( on the main anyway not 100% by any means) that if a child/baby is brought up with a case of ANY sort of abuse, the more frequent though was worse, then if they had what they called the WARRIER gene dna, they were more likely to commit offences... so it was the two combined that was more likely than say if they just had one or the other.
Very interesting and i totally agree, and much of what we discussed sort of was true.
Syd here is a good a place as any to mention about nature or nurture.
We talked about it in full on another thread ages ago, then a week ago in the tv a programme docu was on about the same thing, and what makes a killer etc?
The scientific proof they did and the research did actually show it was a mixture of both and the rule was ( on the main anyway not 100% by any means) that if a child/baby is brought up with a case of ANY sort of abuse, the more frequent though was worse, then if they had what they called the WARRIER gene dna, they were more likely to commit offences... so it was the two combined that was more likely than say if they just had one or the other.
Very interesting and i totally agree, and much of what we discussed sort of was true.
I think Nurture is the way to go...Ev xxxx
Syd here is a good a place as any to mention about nature or nurture.
We talked about it in full on another thread ages ago, then a week ago in the tv a programme docu was on about the same thing, and what makes a killer etc?
The scientific proof they did and the research did actually show it was a mixture of both and the rule was ( on the main anyway not 100% by any means) that if a child/baby is brought up with a case of ANY sort of abuse, the more frequent though was worse, then if they had what they called the WARRIER gene dna, they were more likely to commit offences... so it was the two combined that was more likely than say if they just had one or the other.
Very interesting and i totally agree, and much of what we discussed sort of was true.
I think Nurture is the way to go...Ev xxxx
Yes, if the nurture is dysfunctional to a level of abuse, coupled with the warrier gene its a serious issue. xx
thanks for showing me your bush kat.
jaundice, bliz..
It was severly frost damaged the last two winters...however it has sprung up anew! from the roots...
It's called the "Rose of Sharon".
