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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:
no idea of whether the OP pays council tax or not - could be a student being supported by mummy n daddy - very much like the little darlins making the racket - they all have a right to use the library regardless of whether they pay council tax - unless they are causing damage or being abusive they really arent breaking any laws are they

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:
no idea of whether the OP pays council tax or not - could be a student being supported by mummy n daddy - very much like the little darlins making the racket - they all have a right to use the library regardless of whether they pay council tax - unless they are causing damage or being abusive they really arent breaking any laws are they

If they are running riot and screeching the place down (as OP suggests) they are spoiling it for other library users. Any library worth visiting would have rules about unacceptable behaviour. You don't have to break the law to be out of order.

What you seem to be saying is that as long as they aren't breaking any criminal laws, whatever they want, goes. Why should what kids want be paramount?

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:
no idea of whether the OP pays council tax or not - could be a student being supported by mummy n daddy - very much like the little darlins making the racket - they all have a right to use the library regardless of whether they pay council tax - unless they are causing damage or being abusive they really arent breaking any laws are they

If they are running riot and screeching the place down (as OP suggests) they are spoiling it for other library users. Any library worth visiting would have rules about unacceptable behaviour. You don't have to break the law to be out of order.

What you seem to be saying is that as long as they aren't breaking any criminal laws, whatever they want, goes. Why should what kids want be paramount?

In deed libraries do have rules - they are called bye laws and a children running doesnt contravene them - the OP openly admits to playing an MP3 player so hardly a pargon of virtue when it comes to being respectful of othe r library users - I never said that what kids want is paramount - what I said is that libraries are for everybody - not just people like the OP who says he/she is reading but is also on this forum and listening to an MP3 player at the same time -

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:

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Originally posted by Tim in Tina's Skirt:

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:
the days of a SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH library and long since gone - some libraries do have quiet areas where peace and tranquility reign but the main areas are generall quite noisy and what you have to realise is that not everybody who goes into a library is there to study/learn - the reason for entering a library are many and varied. most of the libraries I am involved in actively encourage children to particpate in whatever activities are organised within

Them they should have a seperate area for the kids, say outside on the grass maybe.

they are quite happy - you are the one complaining - maybe out on the grass would suit you better

Why should the kids' happiness come first? I imagine the OP's council tax is helping pay for the upkeep of this library, and he's entitled to enjoy it without being overly disturbed.

no idea of whether the OP pays council tax or not - could be a student being supported by mummy n daddy - very much like the little darlins making the racket - they all have a right to use the library regardless of whether they pay council tax - unless they are causing damage or being abusive they really arent breaking any laws are they

I am a self sustained student, i pay council tax but thats not the issue.

The issue is screeming kids in a library, with the screeming kids mother letting them run riot.

Libraries should be peaceful tranquil places for reading and learning. If the council wants to use my council tax money to build a library like creche then they can take it and please themselves, but i will stand up for my right to be able to study and learn in a space that is provided for that very purpose.

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by Tim in Tina's Skirt:

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:
the days of a SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH library and long since gone - some libraries do have quiet areas where peace and tranquility reign but the main areas are generall quite noisy and what you have to realise is that not everybody who goes into a library is there to study/learn - the reason for entering a library are many and varied. most of the libraries I am involved in actively encourage children to particpate in whatever activities are organised within

Them they should have a seperate area for the kids, say outside on the grass maybe.

they are quite happy - you are the one complaining - maybe out on the grass would suit you better

Why should the kids' happiness come first? I imagine the OP's council tax is helping pay for the upkeep of this library, and he's entitled to enjoy it without being overly disturbed.

no idea of whether the OP pays council tax or not - could be a student being supported by mummy n daddy - very much like the little darlins making the racket - they all have a right to use the library regardless of whether they pay council tax - unless they are causing damage or being abusive they really arent breaking any laws are they

I object!
Plus students use libraries that don't let little bratty children in

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Originally posted by darloboy07:
Why would you want all kids banned in a Library just because some are out of control, if they get up to no good in the Library then if they are caught they should be punished. Also it's not all children, but then again you do have some of the brats so bit of both really.

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:

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Originally posted by Tim in Tina's Skirt:

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:
the days of a SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH library and long since gone - some libraries do have quiet areas where peace and tranquility reign but the main areas are generall quite noisy and what you have to realise is that not everybody who goes into a library is there to study/learn - the reason for entering a library are many and varied. most of the libraries I am involved in actively encourage children to particpate in whatever activities are organised within

Them they should have a seperate area for the kids, say outside on the grass maybe.

they are quite happy - you are the one complaining - maybe out on the grass would suit you better

Why should the kids' happiness come first? I imagine the OP's council tax is helping pay for the upkeep of this library, and he's entitled to enjoy it without being overly disturbed.

no idea of whether the OP pays council tax or not - could be a student being supported by mummy n daddy - very much like the little darlins making the racket - they all have a right to use the library regardless of whether they pay council tax - unless they are causing damage or being abusive they really arent breaking any laws are they

I object!
Plus students use libraries that don't let little bratty children in

some of the students are pretty bratty where I live -

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some of the students are pretty bratty where I live -

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Originally posted by Lindsxdx:
Nope academic libraries are the same, well mine is. We respond to our complaints about noise by saying that we are not a traditional library, we are a Learning Resource Centre and learners are entitled to talk to each other during group work etc within reason, we too have a "quiet room". That said though we are for over 14s only, no kids cos of insurance, woohoo , you gotta study here to be here.

Would love to work in an old fashioned ssssshhhhh place though.

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some of the students are pretty bratty where I live -

I'm surprised as most students just ignore people who aren't students- especially ones with what I can gather is your attitude towards us. We are not all supported by rich mummies and daddies and we are not all at university for an easy life. There is more to students than going out and getting wasted, but unfortunately people like you (I'm assuming from your posts here) tar everyone with the same brush. The OP had a valid point, a library may not be just for reading anymore, but it is certainly not a playground, if the children want to run around shouting then they should be outside, or in a playcentre not in a library. Just as if adults want to run around shouting they should be in a suitable place.

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:
oooooooooooooo how ya gonna punish them darlo - take them outside n flog them with a wet kipper - maybe the stocks and let all the other library users pelt them with rotten fruit - six of the best on the bare bum perhaps - its all very silly isnt it - the only thing ya can do is ban people and if they arent contravening the bye laws then ya cannot do it

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:

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Originally posted by Lindsxdx:
Nope academic libraries are the same, well mine is. We respond to our complaints about noise by saying that we are not a traditional library, we are a Learning Resource Centre and learners are entitled to talk to each other during group work etc within reason, we too have a "quiet room". That said though we are for over 14s only, no kids cos of insurance, woohoo , you gotta study here to be here.

Would love to work in an old fashioned ssssshhhhh place though.

the old fashioned shhhhhhhhhhh places went out 40 years ago - maybe the best place to study is one's own home then - I go swimming and I hate it when the pool is full of kids splashing and jumping in etc but hey ho thats the way it goes - they have as much right as me to be there - if I win the lottery I will have me own pool and not have to put up with other people - if ya use a public facility tho, sadly you have to put up with the people - whether it's libraries, swimming pools or whatever

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:

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Originally posted by Tim in Tina's Skirt:

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:
the days of a SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH library and long since gone - some libraries do have quiet areas where peace and tranquility reign but the main areas are generall quite noisy and what you have to realise is that not everybody who goes into a library is there to study/learn - the reason for entering a library are many and varied. most of the libraries I am involved in actively encourage children to particpate in whatever activities are organised within

Them they should have a seperate area for the kids, say outside on the grass maybe.

they are quite happy - you are the one complaining - maybe out on the grass would suit you better

Why should the kids' happiness come first? I imagine the OP's council tax is helping pay for the upkeep of this library, and he's entitled to enjoy it without being overly disturbed.

no idea of whether the OP pays council tax or not - could be a student being supported by mummy n daddy - very much like the little darlins making the racket - they all have a right to use the library regardless of whether they pay council tax - unless they are causing damage or being abusive they really arent breaking any laws are they

I object!
Plus students use libraries that don't let little bratty children in

some of the students are pretty bratty where I live -

Best to remember not all students are bratty . No wonder we young people get bad press most the time . Although there is some annoying little brats around .

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:

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Originally posted by Trix-ster:

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some of the students are pretty bratty where I live -

I'm surprised as most students just ignore people who aren't students- especially ones with what I can gather is your attitude towards us. We are not all supported by rich mummies and daddies and we are not all at university for an easy life. There is more to students than going out and getting wasted, but unfortunately people like you (I'm assuming from your posts here) tar everyone with the same brush. The OP had a valid point, a library may not be just for reading anymore, but it is certainly not a playground, if the children want to run around shouting then they should be outside, or in a playcentre not in a library. Just as if adults want to run around shouting they should be in a suitable place.

what do you mean 'people like me' you know absolutely nothing about me so how do you know what I am like - it was OK for you to lable children as brats but different kettle of fish when I said some students were brats too. Double standards - you have a lot to learn about both people and life before you go round casting aspersions on PEOPLE LIKE ME

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:

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Originally posted by Tim in Tina's Skirt:

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:
the days of a SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH library and long since gone - some libraries do have quiet areas where peace and tranquility reign but the main areas are generall quite noisy and what you have to realise is that not everybody who goes into a library is there to study/learn - the reason for entering a library are many and varied. most of the libraries I am involved in actively encourage children to particpate in whatever activities are organised within

Them they should have a seperate area for the kids, say outside on the grass maybe.

they are quite happy - you are the one complaining - maybe out on the grass would suit you better

Why should the kids' happiness come first? I imagine the OP's council tax is helping pay for the upkeep of this library, and he's entitled to enjoy it without being overly disturbed.

no idea of whether the OP pays council tax or not - could be a student being supported by mummy n daddy - very much like the little darlins making the racket - they all have a right to use the library regardless of whether they pay council tax - unless they are causing damage or being abusive they really arent breaking any laws are they

I object!
Plus students use libraries that don't let little bratty children in

some of the students are pretty bratty where I live -

Best to remember not all students are bratty . No wonder we young people get bad press most the time . Although there is some annoying little brats around .

best to remember that I didnt say ALL students were bratty - I said SOME students were bratty - BIG DIFFERENCE

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:

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Originally posted by Lindsxdx:
Nope academic libraries are the same, well mine is. We respond to our complaints about noise by saying that we are not a traditional library, we are a Learning Resource Centre and learners are entitled to talk to each other during group work etc within reason, we too have a "quiet room". That said though we are for over 14s only, no kids cos of insurance, woohoo , you gotta study here to be here.

Would love to work in an old fashioned ssssshhhhh place though.

the old fashioned shhhhhhhhhhh places went out 40 years ago - maybe the best place to study is one's own home then - I go swimming and I hate it when the pool is full of kids splashing and jumping in etc but hey ho thats the way it goes - they have as much right as me to be there - if I win the lottery I will have me own pool and not have to put up with other people - if ya use a public facility tho, sadly you have to put up with the people - whether it's libraries, swimming pools or whatever

Bleurgh, swimming pools, now that is one public facility I don't bother with, all those people in the one place, the kids I can cope with its the grime, spit and other unmentionables.

If I win the lottery (which incidently I will be doing later on tonight, all being well) I will have my own library. Have it all planned x

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:

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Originally posted by Tim in Tina's Skirt:

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:
the days of a SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH library and long since gone - some libraries do have quiet areas where peace and tranquility reign but the main areas are generall quite noisy and what you have to realise is that not everybody who goes into a library is there to study/learn - the reason for entering a library are many and varied. most of the libraries I am involved in actively encourage children to particpate in whatever activities are organised within

Them they should have a seperate area for the kids, say outside on the grass maybe.

they are quite happy - you are the one complaining - maybe out on the grass would suit you better

Why should the kids' happiness come first? I imagine the OP's council tax is helping pay for the upkeep of this library, and he's entitled to enjoy it without being overly disturbed.

who can tell - maybe our paths have crossed - maybe they havent - thats for me to know and you to wonder

no idea of whether the OP pays council tax or not - could be a student being supported by mummy n daddy - very much like the little darlins making the racket - they all have a right to use the library regardless of whether they pay council tax - unless they are causing damage or being abusive they really arent breaking any laws are they

I object!
Plus students use libraries that don't let little bratty children in

some of the students are pretty bratty where I live -

Best to remember not all students are bratty . No wonder we young people get bad press most the time . Although there is some annoying little brats around .

best to remember that I didnt say ALL students were bratty - I said SOME students were bratty - BIG DIFFERENCE

Good . Are you who I think you are ?.

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Originally posted by Trix-ster:

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some of the students are pretty bratty where I live -

I'm surprised as most students just ignore people who aren't students- especially ones with what I can gather is your attitude towards us. We are not all supported by rich mummies and daddies and we are not all at university for an easy life. There is more to students than going out and getting wasted, but unfortunately people like you (I'm assuming from your posts here) tar everyone with the same brush. The OP had a valid point, a library may not be just for reading anymore, but it is certainly not a playground, if the children want to run around shouting then they should be outside, or in a playcentre not in a library. Just as if adults want to run around shouting they should be in a suitable place.

what do you mean 'people like me' you know absolutely nothing about me so how do you know what I am like - it was OK for you to lable children as brats but different kettle of fish when I said some students were brats too. Double standards - you have a lot to learn about both people and life before you go round casting aspersions on PEOPLE LIKE ME

As I said I was assuming from your posts
Just as you labelled all students. So you can't really talk about double standards...

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:

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Originally posted by Trix-ster:

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:

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Originally posted by Trix-ster:

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some of the students are pretty bratty where I live -

I'm surprised as most students just ignore people who aren't students- especially ones with what I can gather is your attitude towards us. We are not all supported by rich mummies and daddies and we are not all at university for an easy life. There is more to students than going out and getting wasted, but unfortunately people like you (I'm assuming from your posts here) tar everyone with the same brush. The OP had a valid point, a library may not be just for reading anymore, but it is certainly not a playground, if the children want to run around shouting then they should be outside, or in a playcentre not in a library. Just as if adults want to run around shouting they should be in a suitable place.

what do you mean 'people like me' you know absolutely nothing about me so how do you know what I am like - it was OK for you to lable children as brats but different kettle of fish when I said some students were brats too. Double standards - you have a lot to learn about both people and life before you go round casting aspersions on PEOPLE LIKE ME

As I said I was assuming from your posts
Just as you labelled all students. So you can't really talk about double standards...

NOPe if you read my post I said SOME students - never said ALL students - back to school for you for some reading lessons I think

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
Our local library caters for the whole community, but I've never seen kids running around making too much noise.

And I would have remembered, as I would accidentally have tripped them up.

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Originally posted by Hyperstar:
The kids should have their own library

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
Our local library caters for the whole community, but I've never seen kids running around making too much noise.

And I would have remembered, as I would accidentally have tripped them up.

lol - the little kids are generally OK, its the big kids that chuck stink bombs , knock the chairs over & turn the play station up loud and then there is the druggies leaving syringes in the loos, mobility scooters knocking over displays, the pushchairs that block the aisles, down n outs who want to snooze all day but the unpleasant odours that surround them is a bit and there are the folk who bring their dog burgers n chips in and also stink the place out - few little kids rampaging is nothing in the great scheme of things

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Originally posted by Hyperstar:
The kids should have their own library

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:
Ah ha! I was library supervisor in public branch libraries over the years,it was in the seventies/eighties a place where noise was frowned upon.However times changed,to encourage the young etc to use libraries, they became more "user" friendly.In the nineties we had comp rooms/learning centres, Videos then DVD's etc.I took early retirement about 8 years ago for health reasons.Support your local libraries many folk have no access to comps and learning etc in the home.
There still remain the serious reference libraries like the "Mitchell Library" in Glasgow.

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Originally posted by Cheeky-Pixie:
No kid is perfect and no parent is either, but I don't understand how some parents don't seem to even NOTICE, let alone CARE. Does make you mad. Not all kids are like this though and some parents do care.. But I do understand what you're saying....

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:
the old fashioned shhhhhhhhhhh places went out 40 years ago - maybe the best place to study is one's own home then - I go swimming and I hate it when the pool is full of kids splashing and jumping in etc but hey ho thats the way it goes - they have as much right as me to be there - if I win the lottery I will have me own pool and not have to put up with other people - if ya use a public facility tho, sadly you have to put up with the people - whether it's libraries, swimming pools or whatever

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:

no person is perfect and you are right that some people do not behave with respect for their fellow men/women. sad but its a fact of life

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by ZAYLEE:
the old fashioned shhhhhhhhhhh places went out 40 years ago - maybe the best place to study is one's own home then - I go swimming and I hate it when the pool is full of kids splashing and jumping in etc but hey ho thats the way it goes - they have as much right as me to be there - if I win the lottery I will have me own pool and not have to put up with other people - if ya use a public facility tho, sadly you have to put up with the people - whether it's libraries, swimming pools or whatever

That's simply not true. I wasn't going to libraries 40 years ago, yet I clearly remember signs telling people to be quiet and stern librarians sorting them out if they weren't.

It's only very recently that they have suddenly become caught up in the 'cult of the child', where what the little darlings want takes precedence over what others would prefer.

Libraries, as you say in an earlier post, have byelaws - although you claim these don't cover overly noisy children. But I'm willing to bet the rules about disturbing other users would be invoked pretty sharpish if it was an adult running about and making a racket.

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Originally posted by Mike Strutter:
lol @ stonks ...

I love your posts it breaks up the ..oh well ..

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Originally posted by Cheeky-Pixie:
Re the swimming Zaylee.... and kids getting on your nerves....is there not an adult swim? there are adult only sessions every day at my pool, and even the 'family' swims are OK, as parents take their young kids and are mostly in the shallow end. The public ones are the worst, but its the kids aged about 9 to 15 that are the most troublesome..

So are there not different sessions?

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I might go and try it