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Only for strippers!
I don't think they are safe to wear when driving.
Former Member
No I think we should embrace cultural differences and all have the right to wear them* Lets see how we all get on going through passport control then
*in the event of bad hair days, no make-up days, popping to little tesco in your jammies days, dont want to bump into anyone you know days, stalking in stealth days.
*in the event of bad hair days, no make-up days, popping to little tesco in your jammies days, dont want to bump into anyone you know days, stalking in stealth days.
I feel uncomfortable when some approaches me wearing a burka much in the same was if someone was wearing a balaclava.
I'm getting me one!
OK you got me! I thought it was serious then I saw your avatar!
Nope...
Don't agree with a lot of the reasons the women are 'made' to wear them but as a country I don't agree with banning them either. .feels very dictatorshiperish to me..
Don't agree with a lot of the reasons the women are 'made' to wear them but as a country I don't agree with banning them either. .feels very dictatorshiperish to me..
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
OK you got me! I thought it was serious then I saw your avatar!
Indeed!Ban the Stig!
zazz, does the gun come free?
Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo:
zazz, does the gun come free?
*nods*
...want one?
Originally Posted by zazz:
Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo:
zazz, does the gun come free?
*nods*
...want one?
Put me down for 2. A midnight Blue and a Festival Orange
Former Member
ohhh do they come in colours pink for me please!!!
burka bikini
I have decided there is something sexy about the burka!
not the bikini!
Originally Posted by zazz:
burka bikini
No.
It has always struck me as a strange sort of religion that expects people to be covered up.
If I wore something like that I would feel very bad-mannered.
In the same way that we remove our headwear or sunglasses or crash helmets when socialising with others, I tend to expect the same courtesy in return.
I find them alienating and somewhat offensive.
Simply my opinion; I am not trying to be controversial or confrontational. I respect the right of others to hold different views.
If I wore something like that I would feel very bad-mannered.
In the same way that we remove our headwear or sunglasses or crash helmets when socialising with others, I tend to expect the same courtesy in return.
I find them alienating and somewhat offensive.
Simply my opinion; I am not trying to be controversial or confrontational. I respect the right of others to hold different views.
Former Member
Yes we should ban the wearing of them in public places..especially covering the face.. Bet not all of you know this...... the woman does not HAVE to wear it over her face; it's her choice. My source: a young muslim woman who I was on a course with the other week. She told me this. This woman chooses to not wear it over her face as she prefers not t, and her husband is fine with this.
Personally I think it's rather offensive for the muslim man to automatically assume that every man is going to be eyeing up his woman anyway, like men have so little control over themselves that they're going to be jumping on their woman if she isn't covered up! I mean, that is the whole idea of the burka, so that other men can't ogle their bird! Like I said, how arrogant and rude for them to assume all men are going to fancy them anyway!!
Personally I think it's rather offensive for the muslim man to automatically assume that every man is going to be eyeing up his woman anyway, like men have so little control over themselves that they're going to be jumping on their woman if she isn't covered up! I mean, that is the whole idea of the burka, so that other men can't ogle their bird! Like I said, how arrogant and rude for them to assume all men are going to fancy them anyway!!
I think countries banning the burkha are just as bad as those that make it Law to wear it. . Taliban did in Afghanistan didn't they til they were ousted.
Everybody knows, well should know, it is not a Muslim law to wear one and only the very Extreme devotees use this or make their women wear them..
I don't think they are being arrogant tho . .it's about not wanting any man other than the husband or the family to see the women. .that is not a presumption that all men will ogle and lust after her in the first place.. [tho most men and women will ogle opposite, or same sex depending which way they swing, totty. .tis human nature]
whilst I think it is dreadful piece of garb and very archaic, it is a tradition that some people follow. .some out or fear I know but still is it no different to other religions that use garments or head wear as part of a religion they follow.. most importantly it is not the business of dictator like countries to ban such items... even tho they use the excuse of what the person is hiding ie suicide bombers .. am still not liking the dictatorial thing of the out and out Ban thing.. ..
Everybody knows, well should know, it is not a Muslim law to wear one and only the very Extreme devotees use this or make their women wear them..
I don't think they are being arrogant tho . .it's about not wanting any man other than the husband or the family to see the women. .that is not a presumption that all men will ogle and lust after her in the first place.. [tho most men and women will ogle opposite, or same sex depending which way they swing, totty. .tis human nature]
whilst I think it is dreadful piece of garb and very archaic, it is a tradition that some people follow. .some out or fear I know but still is it no different to other religions that use garments or head wear as part of a religion they follow.. most importantly it is not the business of dictator like countries to ban such items... even tho they use the excuse of what the person is hiding ie suicide bombers .. am still not liking the dictatorial thing of the out and out Ban thing.. ..
I agree with what Olly said Besides, is it such a big issue anyway, so few Muslim women even wear them anyway In the UK I mean...
oh, though places of work should be able to ban the face covering ones/veil where necessary.... in jobs where you're dealing with the public face to face - teachers, bank/PO desk peeps, that sort of thing
So if pressure to cover up comes from the man - this is tantamount to treating the woman as a mindless possession.
sadly yes it is Brisket and is still common in many places in the world where women are regarded as second or even third class citizens... even if all of those aren't making women wear Burkhas it is done in other ways. .stoning women for adultery ..not allowing them to drive [Saudi I think still does this] Mutalation of female organs and many more forms. .. this country still discriminates against women in many areas, although it is done insidiously as are other types of discrimination..
however a Government banning these outfits is hardly likely to get those that insist women wear them to see or treat women any differently but only inflame what is probably a tense situation as it is..
however a Government banning these outfits is hardly likely to get those that insist women wear them to see or treat women any differently but only inflame what is probably a tense situation as it is..
Former Member
In this country, it should be banned yes. OK, I think in a multicultural country, people should be allowed to display their culture to an extent. But they should not be allowed to hide their face. Motorcyclists have to remove their helmet before enterting a bank/post office/shop, so we can see their face, so why should muslims be any different? If you want respect and acceptance, then earn it is what I say. Be part of our country by all means, but treat us with respect and abide by our rules, We would be expected to in their country.
And yes it is true that it is about tradition, but it's much more about the man displaying to the world that the woman is his possession, and I agree that it is tantamount to treating the woman as a mindless possession. And I also agree that it's an insult to assume that all men are going to be leering over their women.
And yes it is true that it is about tradition, but it's much more about the man displaying to the world that the woman is his possession, and I agree that it is tantamount to treating the woman as a mindless possession. And I also agree that it's an insult to assume that all men are going to be leering over their women.
Former Member
Yes.
I wud ban anything that deems woman/man to being a possession/2nd class citizen!
Face to face contact is very important in human communication
Face to face contact is very important in human communication
Former Member
Correctamundo
In France people are discouraged from pulling the burka off women who defy the ban. What does that tell us? Do we really want to turn into a country of vigilantes just because of a fear of the unknown and having a vague irk against 'them foreigners who should do when in Rome'? I think not.
Originally Posted by slimfern:
I wud ban anything that deems woman/man to being a possession/2nd class citizen!
Face to face contact is very important in human communication
They don't though. Wearing the burka is not a must, women decided for themselves. I'm sure that there are some husbands who insist, but there are a lot of husbands in this country and all over the world who beat their wives on a regular basis.Face to face contact is very important in human communication
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
In France people are discouraged from pulling the burka off women who defy the ban. What does that tell us? Do we really want to turn into a country of vigilantes just because of a fear of the unknown and having a vague irk against 'them foreigners who should do when in Rome'? I think not.
I have no fear Cologne nor do I have an irk for other religions etc (I have no religion of my own)But I do know we are all human & the first thing one tends to look at when communicating is the face/eyes.
Former Member
Originally Posted by slimfern:
I wud ban anything that deems woman/man to being a possession/2nd class citizen!
Face to face contact is very important in human communication
Face to face contact is very important in human communication
Well said
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by slimfern:
I wud ban anything that deems woman/man to being a possession/2nd class citizen!
Face to face contact is very important in human communication
They don't though. Wearing the burka is not a must, women decided for themselves. I'm sure that there are some husbands who insist, but there are a lot of husbands in this country and all over the world who beat their wives on a regular basis.Face to face contact is very important in human communication
As for the wanting to wear the burka - I believe it is because of indoctrination of thought not out of free will at all.
Originally Posted by SazBomb:
oh, though places of work should be able to ban the face covering ones/veil where necessary.... in jobs where you're dealing with the public face to face - teachers, bank/PO desk peeps, that sort of thing
I agree with the above also correct me anyone if I am wrong but was there not a case were a muslim man dressed as a woman with his face covered at the airport who was a terrorist....Originally Posted by slimfern:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by slimfern:
I wud ban anything that deems woman/man to being a possession/2nd class citizen!
Face to face contact is very important in human communication
They don't though. Wearing the burka is not a must, women decided for themselves. I'm sure that there are some husbands who insist, but there are a lot of husbands in this country and all over the world who beat their wives on a regular basis.Face to face contact is very important in human communication
As for the wanting to wear the burka - I believe it is because of indoctrination of thought not out of free will at all.
Former Member
I see some of your points Cologne, but also think that they should not be covering their faces in public for any reason. Not in this country. And if that sounds racist or xenophobic then so be it..but I am neither racist or xenophobic.. this is just my opinion.
And we do accept all walks of life and culture over here, but there has to be some give and take. I have no issue with muslims at all and if the women want to do what their man says or wants (or stick within the confines and rules of their religion; whatever it is), then so be it, but if nobody else is allowed to cover their face in this country, then why should muslims be allowed to? Just showing the eyes is not good enough IMO. You cannot tell who the person is from eyes alone.
And we do accept all walks of life and culture over here, but there has to be some give and take. I have no issue with muslims at all and if the women want to do what their man says or wants (or stick within the confines and rules of their religion; whatever it is), then so be it, but if nobody else is allowed to cover their face in this country, then why should muslims be allowed to? Just showing the eyes is not good enough IMO. You cannot tell who the person is from eyes alone.
Originally Posted by sparkles:
I see some of your points Cologne, but also think that they should not be covering their faces in public for any reason. Not in this country. And if that sounds racist or xenophobic then so be it..but I am neither racist or xenophobic.. this is just my opinion.
And we do accept all walks of life and culture over here, but there has to be some give and take. I have no issue with muslims at all and if the women want to do what their man says or wants (or stick within the confines and rules of their religion; whatever it is), then so be it, but if nobody else is allowed to cover their face in this country, then why should muslims be allowed to? Just showing the eyes is not good enough IMO. You cannot tell who the person is from eyes alone.
Yesterday, I was waiting in the car while my daughter unloaded her shopping. Out comes a young man who is in all sorts of trouble over all sorts of things. The first thing he does after closing the gate is pulling his hoodie so far over his head that he can only see a foot in front of him. No eyecontact possible, no conversation possible, he just wants to get to his mate's house unspotted, so that he can have his spliff and have a laugh about the next person they will terrorize. I know which I prefer.And we do accept all walks of life and culture over here, but there has to be some give and take. I have no issue with muslims at all and if the women want to do what their man says or wants (or stick within the confines and rules of their religion; whatever it is), then so be it, but if nobody else is allowed to cover their face in this country, then why should muslims be allowed to? Just showing the eyes is not good enough IMO. You cannot tell who the person is from eyes alone.
Former Member
I'd like to get pissed in Saudi.
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
I'd like to get pissed in Saudi.
Much as I love you velvet. that's a religious issue, we don't have a religious reason why we don't want the burka. Add Reply
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