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This show is getting very dangerous the way it is playing with people's emotions and fundamental beings.

I know someone very like Bea and they are about the cruellest person I've ever come across. The cruelty is in the words and the way they are used and in turning things around so the innocent are made to feel guilty.

Bea should be removed from the house because she is no longer playing a game. She is emotionally terrorising other housemates. She's done a grand job on the vulnerable Freddie. If I was his parents, I would be demanding his removal from the house.

Early this morning, she started on Marcus, turning around everything he was saying. But Marcus was more than a match for her. She couldn't beat him down so gave up, tried to raise some tears, accused him of bullying, and rushed off to the Diary Room.

In the meantime, she did tell us her game plan. Keep digging away, she said (paraphrasing), say things about people often enough, and other people will begin to believe it. She didn't want Marcus doing that to her, but she has been doing it to everyone else.

She laid the foundations for her next victim in David last week, but is now trying to win his trust, just so she can slam him down.

She destroyed Ken and Tom within days of her arrival. At that time, we hardly knew any of them, and she seemed like a fun girl, but she was lethal. We were so distracted by the Noirin affair, we couldn't see what was going on under our noses.

Apparently, she was fidgeting about, desperate to tell Rodrigo he had not met the real Queen. She may have thought, as we all did, that he would have a right hissy fit which she could then build upon to make him look even worse. But BB pre-empted her and told him the truth. In the end, he came out laughing.

There's playing the game, and bitchery, and we all love a baddie. But this girl is no baddie. She is just downright cruel and repellent so it comes as no surprise that she has been fired from every job she has ever had, has been expelled from school, and has had to move house because everyone hated her.

Every year, on BB, we witness housemates who go through some kind of breakdown and/or personality difficulties. Think of Shabaz, Sree, Freddie, who all became emotionally vulnerable, or Grace, Charley or Alexandra, who showed quite horrible sides to their personalities in the house.

Bea, on the other hand, is the catalyst for all this. She makes the canny Lisa look like a beginner at that game, to such an extent, she has developed into some sort of Mother Earth. What Bea does and says is deliberate. Her tone is reasonable and measured and she never shouts. She is actually doing this to people on purpose.

It does not make good television and it is not good for the personalities she comes into contact with on the show. And it is not good for her own future, because who will employ her now?

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Originally posted by jennywren:
This show is getting very dangerous the way it is playing with people's emotions and fundamental beings.

I know someone very like Bea and they are about the cruellest person I've ever come across. The cruelty is in the words and the way they are used and in turning things around so the innocent are made to feel guilty.

Bea should be removed from the house because she is no longer playing a game. She is emotionally terrorising other housemates. She's done a grand job on the vulnerable Freddie. If I was his parents, I would be demanding his removal from the house.

Early this morning, she started on Marcus, turning around everything he was saying. But Marcus was more than a match for her. She couldn't beat him down so gave up, tried to raise some tears, accused him of bullying, and rushed off to the Diary Room.

In the meantime, she did tell us her game plan. Keep digging away, she said (paraphrasing), say things about people often enough, and other people will begin to believe it. She didn't want Marcus doing that to her, but she has been doing it to everyone else.

She laid the foundations for her next victim in David last week, but is now trying to win his trust, just so she can slam him down.

She destroyed Ken and Tom within days of her arrival. At that time, we hardly knew any of them, and she seemed like a fun girl, but she was lethal. We were so distracted by the Noirin affair, we couldn't see what was going on under our noses.

Apparently, she was fidgeting about, desperate to tell Rodrigo he had not met the real Queen. She may have thought, as we all did, that he would have a right hissy fit which she could then build upon to make him look even worse. But BB pre-empted her and told him the truth. In the end, he came out laughing.

There's playing the game, and bitchery, and we all love a baddie. But this girl is no baddie. She is just downright cruel and repellent so it comes as no surprise that she has been fired from every job she has ever had, has been expelled from school, and has had to move house because everyone hated her.

Every year, on BB, we witness housemates who go through some kind of breakdown and/or personality difficulties. Think of Shabaz, Sree, Freddie, who all became emotionally vulnerable, or Grace, Charley or Alexandra, who showed quite horrible sides to their personalities in the house.

Bea, on the other hand, is the catalyst for all this. She makes the canny Lisa look like a beginner at that game, to such an extent, she has developed into some sort of Mother Earth. What Bea does and says is deliberate. Her tone is reasonable and measured and she never shouts. She is actually doing this to people on purpose.

It does not make good television and it is not good for the personalities she comes into contact with on the show. And it is not good for her own future, because who will employ her now?


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Luxor
quote:
Originally posted by jennywren:
This show is getting very dangerous the way it is playing with people's emotions and fundamental beings.

I know someone very like Bea and they are about the cruellest person I've ever come across. The cruelty is in the words and the way they are used and in turning things around so the innocent are made to feel guilty.

Bea should be removed from the house because she is no longer playing a game. She is emotionally terrorising other housemates. She's done a grand job on the vulnerable Freddie. If I was his parents, I would be demanding his removal from the house.

Early this morning, she started on Marcus, turning around everything he was saying. But Marcus was more than a match for her. She couldn't beat him down so gave up, tried to raise some tears, accused him of bullying, and rushed off to the Diary Room.

In the meantime, she did tell us her game plan. Keep digging away, she said (paraphrasing), say things about people often enough, and other people will begin to believe it. She didn't want Marcus doing that to her, but she has been doing it to everyone else.

She laid the foundations for her next victim in David last week, but is now trying to win his trust, just so she can slam him down.

She destroyed Ken and Tom within days of her arrival. At that time, we hardly knew any of them, and she seemed like a fun girl, but she was lethal. We were so distracted by the Noirin affair, we couldn't see what was going on under our noses.

Apparently, she was fidgeting about, desperate to tell Rodrigo he had not met the real Queen. She may have thought, as we all did, that he would have a right hissy fit which she could then build upon to make him look even worse. But BB pre-empted her and told him the truth. In the end, he came out laughing.

There's playing the game, and bitchery, and we all love a baddie. But this girl is no baddie. She is just downright cruel and repellent so it comes as no surprise that she has been fired from every job she has ever had, has been expelled from school, and has had to move house because everyone hated her.

Every year, on BB, we witness housemates who go through some kind of breakdown and/or personality difficulties. Think of Shabaz, Sree, Freddie, who all became emotionally vulnerable, or Grace, Charley or Alexandra, who showed quite horrible sides to their personalities in the house.

Bea, on the other hand, is the catalyst for all this. She makes the canny Lisa look like a beginner at that game, to such an extent, she has developed into some sort of Mother Earth. What Bea does and says is deliberate. Her tone is reasonable and measured and she never shouts. She is actually doing this to people on purpose.

It does not make good television and it is not good for the personalities she comes into contact with on the show. And it is not good for her own future, because who will employ her now?


I agree with every word

THIS IS NOT WHAT BB IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT
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I definitely think it has reached the stage of feeling uncomfortable.
Some people, I am certain are being treated unkindly and abused.
One of my problems is that I am never very confident that BB are monitoring sufficiently, and I tend to think they intervene a tad too late sometimes.
Another doubt in my mind is that we are meant to find this "entertaining".
I don`t always feel good about myself for watching human beings treating each other badly.
It often seems that intense hatred is on display, and we frequently see the very worst of human characteristics.
It`s not just a half hour show; it is day after day after day.
A very interesting post jenny.
brisket
Brilliant post jennywren, you have put into words exactly how she is (I could never write that and make it legible)....

....she is the worst kind of person, the kind of person who cannot see that she has any flaws.

I know we all have differing opinions on here and we see the goings in in the House from different perspectives, however, I do know that if a FM has a different opinion of a HM than me, I will read it and take it on board, and maybe even agree with them as they may put a whole new spin on a situation,that hadn't even occurred to me.....

...Bea on the otherhand CANNOT see anything from anyones elses point of view Shake Head Her opinion is the right opinion and that is that, what she says and thinks is right and there is no budging her what-so-ever....I'm wondering if she is actually abit of a Sociopath??? Nod
The Devil In Diamante
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Another doubt in my mind is that we are meant to find this "entertaining".


Thumbs Up That's part of the problem IMO, the HMs go in there thinking we want to see a strong opinionated person who fights their corner & sticks to their guns & causes trouble, whatever it takes.....I'd much prefer to see alot more laughing and joking around and general all round fun.....but sadly, that seems to be lacking this year....the only time I've ever seen Lisa smile is when she was passing wind!!!
The Devil In Diamante
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Originally posted by jennywren:

In the meantime, she did tell us her game plan. Keep digging away, she said (paraphrasing), say things about people often enough, and other people will begin to believe it. She didn't want Marcus doing that to her, but she has been doing it to everyone else.




That was a very interesting point. Nod
Ducky
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Originally posted by mozart:
how did she destroy Ken and Tom, i really cannot see that she did that TBH.


I didn't see much to be honest either BUT.... she did drop them right in it when nominations were announced. She was extremely quick to point out to the rest of the house their eagerness to take part in the secret mission, and more to the point... her reluctance.
Ducky
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Originally posted by rusticana:
Bea's strong point (if that is the correct term) is that she arues intelligently (relative) She has yet to have a real argument with someone who,like Charlie,argues emotionally and just refuses to understand her point of view - then she will be in trouble, especially as Lisa's mob usually hunt in packs.

I think you have hit the nail on the head Rusti.
Bea has no emotion in her whatsoever. When she turns on the water works they are crocodile tears. She has, to my mind, sociopathic tendancies, and maybe that is why she has had the sack from all her jobs, and had to move because people hated her. She has no sympathetic feelings towards anyone, and just acts as though she is understanding, when really she is just out for herself, and boogar any one else in her strategies.
Sezit
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Originally posted by sezit:
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Originally posted by rusticana:
Bea's strong point (if that is the correct term) is that she arues intelligently (relative) She has yet to have a real argument with someone who,like Charlie,argues emotionally and just refuses to understand her point of view - then she will be in trouble, especially as Lisa's mob usually hunt in packs.



I think you have hit the nail on the head Rusti.
Bea has no emotion in her whatsoever. When she turns on the water works they are crocodile tears. She has, to my mind, sociopathic tendancies, and maybe that is why she has had the sack from all her jobs, and had to move because people hated her. She has no sympathetic feelings towards anyone, and just acts as though she is understanding, when really she is just out for herself, and boogar any one else in her strategies.


I mentioned the Sociopathic thing in a previous post! Thumbs Up I truly believe she isn't equipped to show empathy to anyone else and is completely self-absorbed. Everything she does is for herself and no-one else!Nod
The Devil In Diamante
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Bea's strong point (if that is the correct term) is that she arues intelligently (relative) She has yet to have a real argument with someone who,like Charlie,argues emotionally and just refuses to understand her point of view - then she will be in trouble, especially as Lisa's mob usually hunt in packs.



I think you have hit the nail on the head Rusti.
Bea has no emotion in her whatsoever. When she turns on the water works they are crocodile tears. She has, to my mind, sociopathic tendancies, and maybe that is why she has had the sack from all her jobs, and had to move because people hated her. She has no sympathetic feelings towards anyone, and just acts as though she is understanding, when really she is just out for herself, and boogar any one else in her strategies.


I mentioned the Sociopathic thing in a previous post! I truly believe she isn't equipped to show empathy to anyone else and is completely self-absorbed. Everything she does is for herself and no-one else!



She'll blow a fuse if Lisa does her 'La La La' thing on her.
R
I say yes to the question in the title of the thread, but no to the reasons suggested.

BB should die not because of one housemates actions, but because the whole concept has been made completely and utterly redundant by the people in charge.

They are completely out of touch with what we as viewers want.

I would rather watch BB4 in it's entirety than suffer through another one hour highlights show from this years abysmal effort.
disley21
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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
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Originally posted by sezit:



I think you have hit the nail on the head Rusti.
Bea has no emotion in her whatsoever. When she turns on the water works they are crocodile tears. She has, to my mind, sociopathic tendancies, and maybe that is why she has had the sack from all her jobs, and had to move because people hated her. She has no sympathetic feelings towards anyone, and just acts as though she is understanding, when really she is just out for herself, and boogar any one else in her strategies.


I mentioned the Sociopathic thing in a previous post! Thumbs Up I truly believe she isn't equipped to show empathy to anyone else and is completely self-absorbed. Everything she does is for herself and no-one else!Nod

Totally agree D.I.D. Nod
Sezit
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Originally posted by mozart:
how did she destroy Ken and Tom, i really cannot see that she did that TBH.


She destroyed their time on the show and both walked within days. Tom has since declared he left the show because of Bea. Ken did not come over well on the show, but he led us to believe he was in it to win it. If that is the case, then he did not go in with the intention of walking out as soon as Karly was evicted. Ken tried to persuade Bea to do exactly what she is doing now. She had made a Bealine for Freddie in the first place, and Ken wanted her to use that connection to get Freddie to act in such a way as to get himself nominated. She refused to do it because it was morally repellent. Now, that is exactly what she was doing, so she was biding her time. She built up trust with Freddie, then laid it on him, cruelly. As a result of her moral reticence with Ken, they had a row and she laid into him. We applauded her for it, because he was such a bighead. He must have changed his mind about staying because he was out the door within 90 minutes of Karly's eviction.
jennywren
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Originally posted by rusticana:
Bea's strong point (if that is the correct term) is that she arues intelligently (relative) She has yet to have a real argument with someone who,like Charlie,argues emotionally and just refuses to understand her point of view - then she will be in trouble, especially as Lisa's mob usually hunt in packs.


She won't have a real argument. She will not argue emotionally and shout because that is not how she conducts herself. Her style is quietly calm and quite deliberate and extremely provocative. She does not need to shout to cause mayhem.
jennywren
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Originally posted by sezit:
quote:
Originally posted by rusticana:
Bea's strong point (if that is the correct term) is that she arues intelligently (relative) She has yet to have a real argument with someone who,like Charlie,argues emotionally and just refuses to understand her point of view - then she will be in trouble, especially as Lisa's mob usually hunt in packs.

I think you have hit the nail on the head Rusti.
Bea has no emotion in her whatsoever. When she turns on the water works they are crocodile tears. She has, to my mind, sociopathic tendancies, and maybe that is why she has had the sack from all her jobs, and had to move because people hated her. She has no sympathetic feelings towards anyone, and just acts as though she is understanding, when really she is just out for herself, and boogar any one else in her strategies.


Yes. Mentally, she is referring to page dot of her psychology manuals.
jennywren
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Originally posted by jennywren:
quote:
Originally posted by who is she:
in a word NO, and if you don't like it you can always switch off.


Of course I can always switch off. But that is the answer from someone who has no answer. Switching on or off is not the issue. The content is the issue.


No it isn't.
The programme evolves as ... it evolves.
If you don't like it watch something else. This week we have had football, New Tricks, Romantic pre-raphaelites, Wallander etc. All are preferable to this particular BB. Having said that, BB does appear to have become more interesting. It's about time we had a strong yet attractive female.
Garage Joe
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Originally posted by jennywren:
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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
No... its only just got worth watching.


You think the kind of stuff Bea was doing to Freddie the other day and the kind of conversation she was having with Marcus early this morning is "worth watching"? Does this stuff entertain you?


There is a door, they can leave. They are adults! And yes, the conversation she and Marcus were having this morning was the most watchable thing I have seen in this years Big Brother. Marcus put her in her place, calmly and without malice.

This is exactly what big brother is about. And in terms of this years housemates being more harrassed than any previous years, I disagree... It happened last year, and the year before. It happens most years. Its the challenge they sign up to when they apply to go on Big Brother.
Dirtyprettygirlthing
quote:
Originally posted by disley21:
I say yes to the question in the title of the thread, but no to the reasons suggested.

BB should die not because of one housemates actions, but because the whole concept has been made completely and utterly redundant by the people in charge.

They are completely out of touch with what we as viewers want.

I would rather watch BB4 in it's entirety than suffer through another one hour highlights show from this years abysmal effort.


Indeed, but its downfall is also due to the types of housemates they insist on putting in. Every year, there are an increasing number of housemates who have personality issues. Residence in the house seems to cause some of these issues and personalities to go to the extreme.

The show is about entertainment. Many of you say you want to be entertained. Yes, part of that entertainment is to have your emotions torn to shreds by the housemates so you divide them up into goodies and baddies. Yet, is it fair to watch people being emotionally destroyed in the name of entertainment?

When they leave the house, many of the housemates turn up in odd shows and are paid to be entertaining. They sing and dance (however badly) or interview people. If anything, BB should be a long audition for their period as TV entertainers. In the house, they should show us their talents. Make us laugh. Make us shriek with wonder at their artistic or musical talents. Amaze us with their insights.

They should not make us cry or worry about their well-being. EastEnders fulfills that function.
jennywren
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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by jennywren:
quote:
Originally posted by who is she:
in a word NO, and if you don't like it you can always switch off.


Of course I can always switch off. But that is the answer from someone who has no answer. Switching on or off is not the issue. The content is the issue.


No it isn't.
The programme evolves as ... it evolves.
If you don't like it watch something else. This week we have had football, New Tricks, Romantic pre-raphaelites, Wallander etc. All are preferable to this particular BB. Having said that, BB does appear to have become more interesting. It's about time we had a strong yet attractive female.


Yes, the programme evolves as it evolves and it is fascinating to watch that evolution. It's part of why I watch it and like to come here and discuss it with all of you.

The programme evolves dependent upon the personalities of the competitors. My issue with the programme, is that it is not staffed with potential entertainers, but with people who are deliberately chosen to cause or contribute to conflict.

I do have to wonder whether the systematic destruction of someone's character is something we should be watching on reality TV. If it's OK on TV, it sends the message it is OK in real life.
jennywren

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