Now whilst I have said yes I do feel it should only be used under very strict guidlines and the punishment should fit the crime.

We had a teacher who broke a boys fingers he was told he could never cane anyone else. From then on he threw the black board rubber at us and his aim was spectacular.
That same teacher had to send boys to the headmaster and he had to deal with the punishment. I do think that it would stop all this you can't do anything otherwise we will sue you issue with kids today

But at my schools it was always carried out on the backside, that would rule out the problem of breaking fingers.

No

no, violence against children is wrong, even if they're little shytes.

children who are raised properly at home shouldn't need discipline of that type. unfortunately not all kids have a good start but i don't think beating them is the solution.

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Originally posted by electric shepherd:
no, violence against children is wrong, even if they're little shytes.

children who are raised properly at home shouldn't need discipline of that type. unfortunately not all kids have a good start but i don't think beating them is the solution.

yup Also when I was at school it was the belt and there were misscarrages of justice on a daily basis. One boy from a "bad family" was constantly belted for minor deeds that lets say, middle class children got away with.

No, very often children that are very badly behaved in school, especially Primary and early Secondary are having problems at home...hitting them at school would'nt be fair.

I think in Primary school the Parents of the children should be held more accountable for really disruly children.

Violence breeds violence.

It never worked and will never work.

(my credentials? 30+ years teaching teens)

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Originally posted by Syd:
No, very often children that are very badly behaved in school, especially Primary and early Secondary are having problems at home...hitting them at school would'nt be fair.

I think in Primary school the Parents of the children should be held more accountable for really disruly children.

OK then.
Let's bring the cane back into schools, but instead of caning the kids, have their parents in and cane them.

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Originally posted by Artymags:

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Originally posted by Syd:
No, very often children that are very badly behaved in school, especially Primary and early Secondary are having problems at home...hitting them at school would'nt be fair.

I think in Primary school the Parents of the children should be held more accountable for really disruly children.

OK then.
Let's bring the cane back into schools, but instead of caning the kids, have their parents in and cane them.

Now there's a thought!!!

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Originally posted by Artymags:
OK then.
Let's bring the cane back into schools, but instead of caning the kids, have their parents in and cane them.

Now there lies the answer...go to the top of the class (and I really mean that )

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Originally posted by Syd:

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Originally posted by Artymags:
OK then.
Let's bring the cane back into schools, but instead of caning the kids, have their parents in and cane them.

Now there lies the answer...go to the top of the class (and I really mean that )

I'll go along with that!!!

I got caned at school...off cannabis lol.

I voted Yes but now I think about it more, and there's some good arguments against it above, I'd change my vote to No.
If they get away with murder at home they're likely to behave badly at school. Or if they get harshly treated at home they're likely to take it out on other kids.
Same can be said about teachers too, while there are some fantastic teachers out there, there are also some horrid ones too.

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Originally posted by King Kev:
I got caned at school...off cannabis lol.

I voted Yes but now I think about it more, and there's some good arguments against it above, I'd change my vote to No.
If they get away with murder at home they're likely to behave badly at school. Or if they get harshly treated at home they're likely to take it out on other kids.
Same can be said about teachers too, while there are some fantastic teachers out there, there are also some horrid ones too.

I think the answer to that is at my schools it was always the one teacher that gave the cane/slipper. Head or deputy headmaster, that should eliminate the problem of a bad teacher doing it just because they are in a mood.

Would've hated my headteacher to have caned me, especially if he'd used his wallet. How much do they get paid? 70/80 thousand?

i remember one boy at school primary i think got the cane for juggling hamsters.

to be fair he didn't drop one

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Originally posted by King Kev:
Would've hated my headteacher to have caned me, especially if he'd used his wallet. How much do they get paid? 70/80 thousand?

What does a salary have to do with being caned??

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Originally posted by mirageuk:
i remember one boy at school primary i think got the cane for juggling hamsters.

to be fair he didn't drop one

*Sits at back of class giggling*..

Cane the parents ..lol

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Originally posted by Dragonlady 25:

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Originally posted by King Kev:
Would've hated my headteacher to have caned me, especially if he'd used his wallet. How much do they get paid? 70/80 thousand?

What does a salary have to do with being caned??

I meant his wallet hitting me would hurt more cos its heavier, no one ever gets my jokes, better start making better ones lol.

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Originally posted by Syd:

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Originally posted by mirageuk:
i remember one boy at school primary i think got the cane for juggling hamsters.

to be fair he didn't drop one

*Sits at back of class giggling*..

Ya but in my day you could get it for doing a bad piece of homework etc

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Originally posted by King Kev:

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Originally posted by Dragonlady 25:

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Originally posted by King Kev:
Would've hated my headteacher to have caned me, especially if he'd used his wallet. How much do they get paid? 70/80 thousand?

What does a salary have to do with being caned??

I meant his wallet hitting me would hurt more cos its heavier, no one ever gets my jokes, better start making better ones lol.

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Originally posted by mirageuk:
i remember one boy at school primary i think got the cane for juggling hamsters.

to be fair he didn't drop one

That has got to be one of the funniest posts I've read in a long time

Poof is in the pudding I say. In my school days we had pupils that were bad whatever the threat but most students were scared. Its not so much the caning as the shame it brought. Nowadays anything goes so what would be the point really. I think its far too late now, society has got to change in many ways. There are ways of teaching respect for example, a pride in your school, a pride in what you achieve. I could go on but I dont think now it will ever change.

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Originally posted by Dragonlady 25:

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Originally posted by King Kev:

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Originally posted by Dragonlady 25:

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Originally posted by King Kev:
Would've hated my headteacher to have caned me, especially if he'd used his wallet. How much do they get paid? 70/80 thousand?

What does a salary have to do with being caned??

I meant his wallet hitting me would hurt more cos its heavier, no one ever gets my jokes, better start making better ones lol.

I thought it was a splendid joke

Sorry folks, if this comes up twice.Meant to say PROOF. Apologies.

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Originally posted by Grey O Lady:
Sorry folks, if this comes up twice.Meant to say PROOF. Apologies.

No probs

I'm totally against violence, in adults or children. I hate that humans fight, you think we'd be evolved enough to sort things out in another way.

I wish I knew what that other way was though, especially in controlling kids in class.

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Originally posted by Grey O Lady:
Poof is in the pudding I say. In my school days we had pupils that were bad whatever the threat but most students were scared. Its not so much the caning as the shame it brought. Nowadays anything goes so what would be the point really. I think its far too late now, society has got to change in many ways. There are ways of teaching respect for example, a pride in your school, a pride in what you achieve. I could go on but I dont think now it will ever change.

Exactly...the 'Shame' it brought........the thought of you're parents finding out (I am to young to remember the cane) that you had been in trouble at school, in the park, at the shops...was way worse than the cane (or any other punishment.

Parents need to Parent the children.

I think it should be brought back, even if only in High School and only used as a VERY last resort. I hate violence of any sort but alot of teacher's hands are tied when it comes to dicipline.

I'm a youngster so there was no belt / cane when I was at school so not sure if that maybe affects my opinion.

I remember the cane at school, and for the most part it did deter alot of boys from misbehaving, there were always some that didn't care either way. I also think pupils did respect teachers and authorities more then but whether that was due to fear of punishment or not I don't know...The cane was abolished in 1987...Have things got worse since then??

[QUOTE]Originally posted by lal:
I remember the cane at school, and for the most part it did deter alot of boys from misbehaving, there were always some that didn't care either way. I also think pupils did respect teachers and authorities more then but whether that was due to fear of punishment or not I don't know...The cane was abolished in 1987...Have things got worse since then??

I would say they certainly have!!

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Originally posted by lal:
I remember the cane at school, and for the most part it did deter alot of boys from misbehaving, there were always some that didn't care either way. I also think pupils did respect teachers and authorities more then but whether that was due to fear of punishment or not I don't know...The cane was abolished in 1987...Have things got worse since then??

In my experience, yes.

Low level disruption is at an all time high in my 30+ years career. You know, the odd whistle, no book or pen, silly calling out, the odd missile sailing through the air, after asking a student to stop talking having to deal with the answer, 'Why?', the time wasting, 'It wasn't me,' when you know damn well it was.

Example from today. Year 11 student-GCSE exams days away. This lad called me a bully because I asked him to start work, stop, squealing, stop making farmyard noises, stop intimidating other students, excuse himself when he made a grossly exaggerated burp, etc etc etc. When he called me a bully, the rest of the class fell about laughing at him. Did anyone learn much? Doubtful.

Not a job for the faint hearted, and I teach in a good school.

Can't wait to meet some of these fast track bankers

So Dragonlady would you be willing to cane them yourelf, or leave it to one teacher at the school?

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Originally posted by Jumbo Jimbo:
So Dragonlady would you be willing to cane them yourelf, or leave it to one teacher at the school?

In don't agree with the cane, never did. As I posted earlier, violence breeds violence.

What I want is the senior team at my school to enforce a zero tolerance policy. Too many things just pass without notice while we, the teachers, are still being checked up on to show we have ticked all the boxes.

Kids respond to firm, but fair and enforced rules.

No Way!! I can't believe so many are in favour No!!! it should not be brought back...

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Originally posted by greenandpink:
No Way!! I can't believe so many are in favour No!!! it should not be brought back...

but it's easy to click yes on a poll if you're not going to support your view with a post.

My husband got caned by more or less all the heads of years and head teacher in his school.

It made no difference.

At my school there was no cane but we were still too shit scared of the teachers (or more to the point our parents if teahcers sent a letter home) to really mess about too much.

ABSOLUTELY, CATEGORICALLY, NO.
Don't agree with any violence towards anyone, people(young or old,)or animals. What next, make it legal again to hit your spouse if they don't behave as you want- i.e. rule of thumb, ok to beat them with a stick if it's diameter is no bigger than that? No, no, and no again