QUOTE Avalon Moonlight:

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 But when it is PP's thread then, regardless of what she is saying, it seems as if people feel almost obliged to launch into an attack

And why do you think that is?  This happens to no-one else on here.  PP has upset and offended so many people with her contentious posts and threads and her provocative and bigoted comments, that it's no wonder that people do attack just about anything she says.  And I have yet to see her post something that is not provocative/offensive/bigoted/rude etc etc etc.  

Saying people should be FORCED to speak English was bigoted, and provocative, and she knows it, and that is why she posted it; just like she knows that it was provocative to start the thread about how uni fees being tripled are perfectly OK, and that VAT going up is something people just need to 'deal with' and shut up moaning about it, and just like she posted about how disabled people should NOT receive extra help or finance. 

Her posts and threads are just harsh and contentious, and she has no empathy or understanding at ALL; and yet when she is called out on it, or people DARE challenge her, she cries 'VICTIM.'

And people having a go at PP's posts does not mean they are trying to be the 'forum police;'  in fact, they are no  more trying to be the forum police than the 'PP defence league' whining about how poor iccle PP is being 'victimised.'  Her posts are and always have been posted purely to cause a stir and she never posts anything unless it IS to cause a stir.  And as for the 'don't read her threads then' posse; do me a favour.  How many people on here steer away from threads or posts that antagonise them?  Nobody.  So talk to the hand.    Yes I know: it's a naff old saying, but it's very apt right now!

A wind-up merchant. 

TBF the op asked IF it should be compulsory she did not say that it should be

haahaa the only thing I could come up with was Women Under Medication...I thought that's a bit harsh

 I could definitely be one of those!

Women under medication!!!  Love it. 

How apt for this place   

Brilliant Temps    It made me think of something that always makes me laugh - that saying that someone is "under the doctor" when they are being treated for some ailment. My mind invariably takes a well worn track...

Women Under Medication
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Hahahahahahahah!

Triggs...ah meandering trangent thoughts are my speciality

If I'm allowed give my tuppence worth about the OP and why she gets the reaction she does.  It seems to me she'll post a controversial thread for whatever reason that asks an ugly question that maybe goes against the PC grain.  Whether the OP does this deliberately to cause an argument, or to provoke discussion NONE of us know, apart from the OP herself.  In another forum that might be par for the course, but this forum is a little more PC.

Having said that, I don't think anyone has any right to waltz into a thread and automatically start abusing some one because of whatever views or questions they pose.  No one has the right to say what an FM on here can or can't say, other than the mods and if you don't like the views of a particular poster, then instead of inflaming the matter and trying to cause an argument, where there really is none, you should just avoid.  Attack the post not the poster imo.

Temps, why shouldn't you be allowed to give your tuppence worth?  You have just as much right as anyone else to air your views.  


All I will say in reaction to your second paragraph is what I said in my post at the end of page 6:  PP has wound so many people up and upset so many with her contentious threads that some people do have a go automatically, but to be fair, most of the time, her posts deserve it IMO.  She clearly posts on here to cause a stir, and as far as i can see, for no other reason. 

I have made my point now anyway, and am now finished with this thread.  Anything else I say will just be repeating myself.......................

Maybe they could be given cut price lessons and after thirty years of trying, the obligation is written off?  

Don't think that this thread was that controversial tbh other than by the use of 'compulsory and 'made to.'.....So how exactly would you 'make someone' learn another language and what would be the suggested consequence for those who wouldn't/couldn't?
I agree with what many others have said, it seems polite/sensible to try to learn where possible, not necessarily to become fluent, but to be able to make yourself understood and understand others.

I think it would be absolutely impossible not to pick up some words.
You would have to be in isolation to avoid it!

"This is a hold up - everybody down!"

French, German, Spanish and Portugese 

Indeed, and being intolerant of those who haven't learnt it, can lead to them isolating themselves.

There are many communities in this country where English is not spoken

That is what I think is wrong though - if you live in England you should have a good grasp (or at least be attempting to learn) of the english language.  It should be the same in all other countries as well - it bugs me in countries like Spain where you get hundreds of Brits emigrating just to live in "British" communities and only ever speaking English - it's disrespectful.

As long as you get by  

And the world's changed.

What about countries that have different languages spoken throughout that country?

Belgium, Switzerland, Canada, many African countries?

government offices in this country offer interpreters and will even offer to submit claim forms in many languages so who should be enforcing the "learn the language or else" rule?

government offices in this country offer interpreters and will even offer to submit claim forms in many languages so who should be enforcing the "learn the language or else" rule?

And that costs an enormous amount of money which this country diesn't have at the minute.

It's nice to be nice though and help people.

Aye it is Velvet. Hello x

Triggs 

Hope you're grand    

In this day and age Britain is more multi cultural, and that is reflected in most public literature and signage which is available in many different languages.  Walk around any City centre and you will hear a variety of languages in conversations. I agree that it is a good idea to make the effort to learn the native language of the country we live in, but to make it compulsory is wrong.  I also think that many of us British are very insular in that we only ever converse in English and expect everyone else to, whether we are at home or abroad.  One of my best friends is Norwegian, and they are taught English at school from the very beginning and all of her friends speak as fluently in English as they do in Norwegian. She actually has a broader Geordie accent than me!! ..... and she was only in this Country for 4 years of Uni and went back to Norway when she graduated

I surely am Velvet  I hope you are too 

Nearly everything these days that has a manual or advice sheet with it is printed in a multitude of languages. If something was manufactured in China, should the instructions only be printed in Chinese? They're not because if they were, it would limit their market drastically (and cost a lot more money to print them on individual basis - also brings it back to my post earlier in the thread about the Spanish taking the trouble to learn English for their tourism). If countries started to make it compulsory that immigrants learn and only function in that countries' language, it would affect their economy which would effect the population, other countries and blue chip organisations wouldn't be able to do business with them let alone be able to work there as there would be no-one to interpret. So as much as the OP based this on a personal and individual viewpoint, looking at the bigger picture it would cause no end of problems.

Seems to me that multi-cultural towns and countries have been accepted on a global scale. There's more places a person could go to on the planet and be able to live than not.

Of course it's nice to be nice and help people but if people find themselves in a foreign country surely it's advantageous to them to integrate as much as they can?  If that means the immigration squad give them a few leaflets on free language courses when they arrive here then why would they not want to give it a go?

As for leaflets about how to use imported goods < I'd be fookt > as to how to use my many domestic appliances if the instructions were only printed in the country of origin's gobbledygook  

Okay then...it'd shouldn't be compulsory.

And it's not always ignorant.

Exactly!

Stop being so sensible

Mind you I'd be loathe to emigrate to Taiwan as the language there seems too hard.  < hope that doesn't make me look Taiwanese-ist   

I wouldn't fancy Egypt atm either 

It's all that Nimrods fault,him and his big ideas to build that tower 

Polish is a bugger of a language to get the hang of too!

So this thread has gone full circle. Why would anyone want or choose to go to a country where the language is so different from your own unless you were prepared to learn the cuntry of your choice's native tongue?