but it is all ifs and buts and the expense is astronomical and that is fact  That is not being negative, it's just stating fact. 

It'll be the first time ever that Spurs got me off the hook.

Goes off to play White Wedding

Also, if it's a yes, are England doomed to a Tory government forever? I'm not saying that Labour or the others are any better. I guess they will make mistakes too, but at least with Scotland with us there are more of us to even to have a chance to change the government 

But if, in essence, Salmond 'offers' Queen Elizabeth the Scottish crown and she accepts it then wouldn't that effectively be joining (or rejoining) the kingdoms? And I doubt any of us would have any say in the matter!

I guess so, but if Salmond wants to go his own way then he wouldn't 'offer' so is that hypothetical?  

Who says it's a fact though? And how do we know we can believe them any more than a lot of other stuff that is being bandied about over this?

he does want the Queen as Scotland monarch Pam 

As we've said before.....can't have it all his own way  

So all this is going to be set up with what? You don't have to be Einstein to know the cost is going to be massive, it doesn't matter who says what, at the end of the day a separate state needs services and it needs to be paid for. 

I'm sure I've heard it said that Salmond wants Queen Elizabeth as Scotland's monarch.

Of course she'll be known as Queen Elizabeth I & II in Scotland and Queen Elizabeth II & I in England.

Yes, where does the money come from? In essence, is Scotland still wanting England's money?  

Scotland contributes £1700 a head more and gets back £1200 a head more. Scotland doesn't want England's money, she wants her own!  Scotland already has a lot of the services and there's ^^^^ a fair chunk of the money.

Ok then, not a problem, but I haven't seen too many Scots yes politicians come out with a hard and fast YES! we want our own money, I dunno, I might be missing something  

Maybe you're not getting some of the stuff about this that Scotland is, but I saw Nicola Sturgeon say it last night.

And having said that, I may well be missing the odd thing myself, as I am not avidly following every little detail. I could see it all far enough now!

I admit I was tired last night and try as I might I couldn't take the whole debate in 

that's what scares the crap out of me.

You're forgiven....but you'll need a note the next time!

Talk about bloody cherrypicking

we all know it's not that straight forward Velvet.. 

*Echoes* 

You're only saying that'cos it's not in agreement with your view!

My guess is he personally doesn't want any of that..... (he'd never be king then) but he's trying to play all sides.

He changed his mind on keeping the Queen. He was all for dumping her until he realised it might be a vote loser. 

Can't fault anyone for having their own view though Fluffs. It may not be the one that other peeps want but it's a view  

I would have far more respect for the 'yes' campaigners, if they had started out gathering support to change  the political system in our  country.I think we all recognise that the system we have  is  undemocratic and ensures  hardly anyone gets the elected gov. they wanted.That is what the 'yes' campaign has said from the outset.Nearly everyone I know agrees with them.

But instead of grafting to change the system,they decide to be divisive  and whinge like victims to get what they want regardless of the potential damage to themselves and all their countrymen.

I also object to the current gov. offering more and more in exchange for a 'no' vote, because that is just causing more division, with little or no concern for  the other elements that make up the UK.

I think eventually a 'no' vote will change UK politics forever, because those other elements will not sit idly by and  watch Scotland gain more more devolution,without demanding more  themselves,which I think would be a good thing.

It's taken away the objectivity of the referendum in one fell swoop.

I wonder how the 'yes' will feel when a separated Scottish government deals with their economics after, they have paid their share of the national debt...and also all the university fees etc.....

Safety in numbers, in the current world climate!

Scotland?

plus our wee Scotty pals....
How could they...I am in a quandry....do they no love us anymore 

Not long to go now Fremmers, until the verdict is know.

it's scary sh*t VD. I doubt many have really, really looked into the financial implications of this 

I agree Dame ....I listened to some debates on it today and was shocked at the way some of the Yes campaigners dismissed things  

They've got five days to do some good, hard, thinking 

I know how you feel, Velvet.

Hubby spoke to a (YES supporter) colleague on Friday, who said he doesn't know or care what the financial implications are, as long as Scotland is Independent.

good grief, now that's sad 

Like Damesy says Yogi, Scary stuff   I really and truly hope it's a 'no'