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Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by fremsley:
Originally Posted by Cold Sweat:
Originally Posted by fremsley:
Originally Posted by Cold Sweat:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:

I'm voting no I cannot stand Alex Salmond nor the SNP.

A yes outcome does not mean Salmond and SNP for evermore!

But what does it mean, exactly?

 

My dad and my step-mum are both very much "no" but say wherever they go in and around Inverness now they are confronted with "yes".

It means don't be a scaremonger whilst the Pied Piper leads the lemmings off a cliff.

But who is the scaremonger and who is the Pied Piper?

Alex thinks he's Acker Bilk.

 

Trumpets!! 

Clarinets!

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Cinds:

I haven't read the whole thread on this, but if it's been asked before, I apologise.

 

But I was wondering, if it is a YES, will those who are staunchly against it head south, or will they grin and wait to see what happens in time. On the flip side if it is NO, will those who are staunchly for it protest? 

I don't know, Cinds. 

Some companies have indicated they may move their business down south if there is a YES vote, but as far as individuals, I just don't know.

Yogi19
Originally Posted by Kaffs:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:

I'm not sure I understand why Scottish people who live in England, cannot vote?

Because they're more likely to vote No?

I think it's more to do with having to be resident in Scotland. My English hubby has a vote, because he lives up here.

I  am not seeing residential qualification to be all that matters, I am amazed that more Scottish people haven't insisted on a vote if they live outside Scotland.

Such things happen in every general election.

In fact I think the whole of the UK should have a vote too, it's their country that is being altered forever.

 

I don't disagree with you.

they should.   I'm not so sure about Sean Connery and Alan Cumming getting in on the 'yes' act though.. like to know how much time they spend here...

From what I've read, they will not have a vote - even if they are draffted into the campaign.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Last edited by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Jenstar:

If Scotland gains its independence in the forthcoming referendum, the remainder of the United Kingdom will be known as the
"Former United Kingdom"

......or FUK.

In a bid to discourage the Scots from voting 'yes' in the referendum, the Government has now begun to campaign with the slogan "Vote NO, for FUK's sake"

They feel the Scottish voters will be able to relate to this.

 

 

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Cinds:

I haven't read the whole thread on this, but if it's been asked before, I apologise.

 

But I was wondering, if it is a YES, will those who are staunchly against it head south, or will they grin and wait to see what happens in time. On the flip side if it is NO, will those who are staunchly for it protest? 

I don't know, Cinds. 

Some companies have indicated they may move their business down south if there is a YES vote, but as far as individuals, I just don't know.

I've heard that on the news, but I'm really interested in what individuals would do.

 

Plus what will happen at Carter Bar, probably one of the most delightful scenery spots on the border. Will it get a border control point put there, or a toll booth?

Cinds
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Jenstar:

If Scotland gains its independence in the forthcoming referendum, the remainder of the United Kingdom will be known as the
"Former United Kingdom"

......or FUK.

In a bid to discourage the Scots from voting 'yes' in the referendum, the Government has now begun to campaign with the slogan "Vote NO, for FUK's sake"

They feel the Scottish voters will be able to relate to this.

 

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Cold Sweat:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:

I'm voting no I cannot stand Alex Salmond nor the SNP.

A yes outcome does not mean Salmond and SNP for evermore!

But what does it mean, exactly?

 

My dad and my step-mum are both very much "no" but say wherever they go in and around Inverness now they are confronted with "yes".

I'm guessing, that the voters, will still have elections to vote their leader like the country does for government, therefore Salmond may not always be leader 

Exactly so sprout. This referendum is not asking us to vote on Salmond or the SNP, but on the future of Scotland: Do we continue to be ruled by Westminster with a bit of fiddling round the edges by a Scottish parliament (and it WILL still just be fiddling round the edges despite what is being mooted about 'extra powers'), or do we grasp the bull by the horns and take 100% control of ourselves?

That really is what it's about, the rest of it is just flummery and WILL sort itself out - not trying to pretend that there won't be hiccups along the way, but when it comes down to it it is not really a great deal different from any other change of government.

A bit of fiddling around the edges? - really?  How do you think Scotland can afford to free university education? no prescription charges? free elderly social care? it's because the rest of us are paying for it, we are paying for stuff that we  can't afford for ourselves.The 10% more that has been granted  to Scotland, roughly equates to the amount Scotland as an will  receive in oil and gas revenues.Or do you think it's because you have  really good politicians that know how to budget?Bet the Welsh are over the moon, because they get **** all everytime.

 

Ruled by Westminster? aren't we all , you guys aren't alone in despising  the  smugs in Westminster, you just have the opportunity to wriggle out and leave the rest of us to it, so thanks for that.

 

A few hicups?  are you serious? - Where is the outcome of the talks with Europe as Scotland wants to join as an independent  country? , no that's right there isn't one, because no one has had that conversation as yet, the same  regarding the currency, what's been resolved there? - oh , nothing again,however if you keep the pound, then your interest rates will be set by those very same smugs in Westminster, it's hardly independence, is it?

 

Just a few hicups...

jacksonb
Originally Posted by Cinds:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Cinds:

I haven't read the whole thread on this, but if it's been asked before, I apologise.

 

But I was wondering, if it is a YES, will those who are staunchly against it head south, or will they grin and wait to see what happens in time. On the flip side if it is NO, will those who are staunchly for it protest? 

I don't know, Cinds. 

Some companies have indicated they may move their business down south if there is a YES vote, but as far as individuals, I just don't know.

I've heard that on the news, but I'm really interested in what individuals would do.

 

Plus what will happen at Carter Bar, probably one of the most delightful scenery spots on the border. Will it get a border control point put there, or a toll booth?

I doubt they'll do anything much, either way! When it comes down to it, it will probably be a question of money!Can many of us afford an unscheduled/unplanned move?

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Last edited by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Cinds:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Cinds:

I haven't read the whole thread on this, but if it's been asked before, I apologise.

 

But I was wondering, if it is a YES, will those who are staunchly against it head south, or will they grin and wait to see what happens in time. On the flip side if it is NO, will those who are staunchly for it protest? 

I don't know, Cinds. 

Some companies have indicated they may move their business down south if there is a YES vote, but as far as individuals, I just don't know.

I've heard that on the news, but I'm really interested in what individuals would do.

 

Plus what will happen at Carter Bar, probably one of the most delightful scenery spots on the border. Will it get a border control point put there, or a toll booth?

Checkpoint (Bonnie Prince) Charlie

 

Cold Sweat
Originally Posted by Cinds:

I haven't read the whole thread on this, but if it's been asked before, I apologise.

 

But I was wondering, if it is a YES, will those who are staunchly against it head south, or will they grin and wait to see what happens in time. On the flip side if it is NO, will those who are staunchly for it protest? 

Several major employers will anyway.. but hey ho.. we'll all drill oil, or work in hospitality.     Anyone need a waitress.

 

Seriously - I'll cry, but moving isn't an option unfortunately.

Kaffs
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
 

I'm guessing, that the voters, will still have elections to vote their leader like the country does for government, therefore Salmond may not always be leader 

Exactly so sprout. This referendum is not asking us to vote on Salmond or the SNP, but on the future of Scotland: Do we continue to be ruled by Westminster with a bit of fiddling round the edges by a Scottish parliament (and it WILL still just be fiddling round the edges despite what is being mooted about 'extra powers'), or do we grasp the bull by the horns and take 100% control of ourselves?

That really is what it's about, the rest of it is just flummery and WILL sort itself out - not trying to pretend that there won't be hiccups along the way, but when it comes down to it it is not really a great deal different from any other change of government.

 

 

good luck with that...that's about as useful as Salmond's answers and is really going to instill confidence in the no voters. When some industry goes and taxes might go up and to find another 10 billion to fund the currency..flummery you call it, I call it a massive worry for those who want to stay 

Kaffs
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by Kaffs:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:

I'm not sure I understand why Scottish people who live in England, cannot vote?

Because they're more likely to vote No?

I think it's more to do with having to be resident in Scotland. My English hubby has a vote, because he lives up here.

I  am not seeing residential qualification to be all that matters, I am amazed that more Scottish people haven't insisted on a vote if they live outside Scotland.

Such things happen in every general election.

In fact I think the whole of the UK should have a vote too, it's their country that is being altered forever.

 

I don't disagree with you.

they should.   I'm not so sure about Sean Connery and Alan Cumming getting in on the 'yes' act though.. like to know how much time they spend here...

From what I've read, they will not have a vote - even if they are draffted into the campaign.

No, they don't have a vote (well, Alan Cumming might - he at least visits his Ma... that's why I said getting in on the 'act'   I love AC as an actor, but I was gutted to see him posing with Ms No Personality today.

Kaffs

By way of light relief...

"Mock the Week" covered the independence vote tonight, and Dara O'Briain considered what it might mean:

"If it’s a 'Yes' vote, the average rainfall in Britain will go down, the average life expectancy in Britain will go up, and the Wimbledon clock will have to be reset: at 78 years.  And also saying things like 'You’ll have had your tea, then.' will now be racist."

Eugene's Lair
Originally Posted by Eugene's Lair:

By way of light relief...

"Mock the Week" covered the independence vote tonight, and Dara O'Briain considered what it might mean:

"If it’s a 'Yes' vote, the average rainfall in Britain will go down, the average life expectancy in Britain will go up, and the Wimbledon clock will have to be reset: at 78 years.  And also saying things like 'You’ll have had your tea, then.' will now be racist."

Baz
Originally Posted by Eugene's Lair:

By way of light relief...

"Mock the Week" covered the independence vote tonight, and Dara O'Briain considered what it might mean:

"If it’s a 'Yes' vote, the average rainfall in Britain will go down, the average life expectancy in Britain will go up, and the Wimbledon clock will have to be reset: at 78 years.  And also saying things like 'You’ll have had your tea, then.' will now be racist."

FM
Originally Posted by Kaffs:

I just find the whole thing unbearably sad really.  Regardless of the outcome, Salmond and his lackies have broken the country imo.   I feel like I've had my 'Scottishness' stolen from me  - the Saltire is spoiled forever because it's been used as an emblem for anti English nationalism.

I really feel for you Kaffs, the whole thing has been so divisive whatever the outcome While I really do sympathise with those who don't want to be under the control of the Bullingdon boys and their 'old school tie' toff mates I hate how the whole thing has become a hot bed of anti-English by many Scots and anti-Scot  by many English. I don't think we're likely to recover from that in our lifetime

FM
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Cold Sweat:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:

I'm voting no I cannot stand Alex Salmond nor the SNP.

A yes outcome does not mean Salmond and SNP for evermore!

But what does it mean, exactly?

 

My dad and my step-mum are both very much "no" but say wherever they go in and around Inverness now they are confronted with "yes".

I'm guessing, that the voters, will still have elections to vote their leader like the country does for government, therefore Salmond may not always be leader 

Exactly so sprout. This referendum is not asking us to vote on Salmond or the SNP, but on the future of Scotland: Do we continue to be ruled by Westminster with a bit of fiddling round the edges by a Scottish parliament (and it WILL still just be fiddling round the edges despite what is being mooted about 'extra powers'), or do we grasp the bull by the horns and take 100% control of ourselves?

That really is what it's about, the rest of it is just flummery and WILL sort itself out - not trying to pretend that there won't be hiccups along the way, but when it comes down to it it is not really a great deal different from any other change of government.

A bit of fiddling around the edges? - really?  How do you think Scotland can afford to free university education? no prescription charges? free elderly social care? it's because the rest of us are paying for it, we are paying for stuff that we  can't afford for ourselves.The 10% more that has been granted  to Scotland, roughly equates to the amount Scotland as an will  receive in oil and gas revenues.Or do you think it's because you have  really good politicians that know how to budget?Bet the Welsh are over the moon, because they get **** all everytime.

 

Ruled by Westminster? aren't we all , you guys aren't alone in despising  the  smugs in Westminster, you just have the opportunity to wriggle out and leave the rest of us to it, so thanks for that.

 

A few hicups?  are you serious? - Where is the outcome of the talks with Europe as Scotland wants to join as an independent  country? , no that's right there isn't one, because no one has had that conversation as yet, the same  regarding the currency, what's been resolved there? - oh , nothing again,however if you keep the pound, then your interest rates will be set by those very same smugs in Westminster, it's hardly independence, is it?

 

Just a few hicups...

 Well said JB

FM
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

The union of Crowns in 1603 made a united kingdom although the parliaments remained separate until 1707. This 'between 1603 and 1707' position is what they are referring to as what is being mooted is only the separation of parliament.

 

You can't expect to cherry pick the bits you want to keep  

 

Oil output dropping year on year, 40% over the last four years and this is without the billions it will take to create a separate state..Passports, postal services, NHS, banks moving south...the list is endless and the divide its creating not only between England and Scotland but to the Sottish people themselves. Its all ifs and buts and it scares the heck out of me how this could end. 

 

Dame_Ann_Average

I'm gonna be totally selfish here. If it's a yes (but I sincerely hope it isn't) what are

The consequences for peeps like Damesy and me , North West and North East, just over the border type of thing?

 

I love most of our friends in the South but I myself feel a bit more 'Northern' 

FM
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Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
Originally Posted by Sprout:

I'm gonna be totally selfish here. If it's a yes (but I sincerely hope it isn't) what are

The consequences for peeps like Damesy and me , North West and North East, just over the border type of thing?

 

I love most of our friends in the South but I myself feel a bit more 'Northern

I'm gonna nip over the border in the dark of the night and offer you ÂĢ500 for some Billy Idol  

LOL! 

FM

The thing is though that all these 'negative' things are being trotted out by the NO campaign as cold hard fact, written in stone, with absolutely no chance of not happening.

 

You've said yourself it's all ifs, ands & but's - yet it seems to me that many want to believe the negative ifs, ands & buts and poo-poo any possibility of any (no matter how few) positive ifs, ands & buts ever having the slightest inkling of happening. (And I'm talking about things in general)

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Sprout:

That's what I said a few weeks ago Damesy, I honestly want them to stay with us but if it's a yes, then it must be total 

 

I don't want them to go either Pam, but you can't expect to keep good bits and reject the bits you don't like. Salmond want his cake and to eat it and to me that's unreasonable and unrealistic. 

 

Scotland as far more say in the running of its country than anywhere else plus benefits, but they want rid of Westminster.

So do we all and I have said for years the capital and wealth should not be concentrated in one part on the south. Who is to say that a new Scottish parliament will be any better or worse than what they have now and how much will it cost and where is the money coming from for all the extra's that Salmond seems to have forgotten to mention in his cry for independence.  

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

The thing is though that all these 'negative' things are being trotted out by the NO campaign as cold hard fact, written in stone, with absolutely no chance of not happening.

 

You've said yourself it's all ifs, ands & but's - yet it seems to me that many want to believe the negative ifs, ands & buts and poo-poo any possibility of any (no matter how few) positive ifs, ands & buts ever having the slightest inkling of happening. (And I'm talking about things in general)

Maybe that's the thing and what scares me Fluffs, a lot of peeps won't vote with their heads here 

FM

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