Ironically Crimewatch is on later. 
Originally Posted by Kaffs:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Salmond reckons the Scots will be best pals with their English neighbours. I don't know about a different country he's on a different bloody planet
thanks to that little weasel we'll hardly be pals with our Scottish neighbours come Friday.
As has been said Kaffs, it's really gonna split the place and it's horrible to be in that position 
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Supes:
He's boring me already
Got that sort of voice hasn't he 
And he really isn't v bright. His last 'big' chance to convince the voters and he's really saying bugger all
pretty much like the rest of the campaign then.
I'm watching my niece on FB posting all sorts of shit about how we can make Scotland great... and I'm just dying to ask her and her little friends exactly what they personally intend to do (other than put a cross in a box and feel like a big girl...)
You know, if it is a yes, I can see us 'just over the border' wanting more from 'down south' to come our way too 
Originally Posted by Sprout:
You know, if it is a yes, I can see us 'just over the border' wanting more from 'down south' to come our way too
Sprout I'm all for an English assembly that isn't London centric
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
You know, if it is a yes, I can see us 'just over the border' wanting more from 'down south' to come our way too
Sprout I'm all for an English assembly that isn't London centric
Exactly Pengy. I really think it shouldn't all be 'centered around London' there are other parts of the country too
Originally Posted by Kaffs:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Salmond reckons the Scots will be best pals with their English neighbours. I don't know about a different country he's on a different bloody planet
thanks to that little weasel we'll hardly be pals with our Scottish neighbours come Friday.
Originally Posted by Kaffs:
thanks to that little weasel we'll hardly be pals with our Scottish neighbours come Friday.
Can I just say, I predicted 2 years ago that Scotland would vote YES for independence, when it looked a certainty that the NO's would have it won.
My Gran (who is 3/4ths Scottish) doesn't agree with me tho. lol
Vote hasn't been made yet tho Vids....and polls mean nowt either. It's hard votes on the ground that will determine 
Originally Posted by Kaffs:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Salmond reckons the Scots will be best pals with their English neighbours. I don't know about a different country he's on a different bloody planet
thanks to that little weasel we'll hardly be pals with our Scottish neighbours come Friday.
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Vote hasn't been made yet tho Vids....and polls mean nowt either. It's hard votes on the ground that will determine
Well, good luck to everyone...I hope you get the result you want.
I hope it's a NO vote that wins.
Your bookies are still giving the same prices!!
(You know that they have WMD up there so we can probably invade. Not an international court would convict)
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
(You know that they have WMD up there so we can probably invade. Not an international court would convict)
They'll be on their way to the US should there be a 'YES' vote.
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
Your bookies are still giving the same prices!!
Yes, our bookies (all the way out here in lonely, outcast England) are still giving the same close prices.
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Can I just say, I predicted 2 years ago that Scotland would vote YES for independence, when it looked a certainty that the NO's would have it won.
My Gran (who is 3/4ths Scottish) doesn't agree with me tho. lol
Gran knows best. I hope!
Originally Posted by Kaffs:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Salmond reckons the Scots will be best pals with their English neighbours. I don't know about a different country he's on a different bloody planet
thanks to that little weasel we'll hardly be pals with our Scottish neighbours come Friday.
I'll never forgive him for the damage he is doing.
What Happens If Scotland Leaves The Union?
Supporters of both sides of the Scotland referendum debate are mounting a final push for votes before the ballot on September 18. Sky News looks at what will happen if Scotland votes Yes to exit the UK:
:: 1. When would Scotland become independent?
The Scottish Government has set a date 18 months from now, March 24, 2016, for Scotland's independence day.
:: 2. What would happen immediately after a Yes vote?
The first step on the morning after the result comes in would involve the forming of teams from both the Yes and No camps to take part in behind-the-scenes negotiations. SNP leader Alex Salmond has already indicated his deputy Nicola Sturgeon would lead the talks for the Scottish nationalists. It is not yet known who would spearhead the Westminster team
:: 3. What amendments would there be to the constitution?
The negotiating teams would devise a new constitution for Scotland and dissolve the 1707 Act Of Union.
:: 4. What would happen to the Queen?
The Yes campaign has said Her Majesty would stay as monarch so it would not be surprising if Mr Salmond seeks an audience with the Queen in the days and weeks after the vote.
:: 5. Would Scotland take part in the May 2015 General Election?
Scottish voters would still be able to take part, but their representatives would only potentially serve a 10-month term in office.
:: 6. What currency would Scotland use?
That is still being thrashed out and yet to be decided. The three main Westminster parties - the Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats - have ruled out a currency union, although Mr Salmond insists an independent Scotland would keep the pound.
:: 7. How much of the UK national debt would be transferred to Scotland?
This is not yet known, but it is likely to be worked out on a per capita share - based on population.
:: 8. What would happen to Scotland's standing in global affairs?
Scotland would have to negotiate its own entry into the European Union and Nato, and the population would have to decide whether they want to have the euro
:: 9. What effect would independence have on Scotland's defence force?
The issue of defence is probably one of the most emotive - and uncertain. Scotland is likely to have its own independent defence force, in time, depending on practicalities and finances, for it has its North Sea oil and fishing industries to protect. Scottish nationalists are opposed to having the Trident nuclear deterrent and would want to see it removed from Faslane, on the west coast of Scotland, as soon as possible. However, Nato is fundamentally a nuclear alliance, and if Scotland struggles to become a member of Nato, it is likely to struggle to join the EU too, which would have a big impact on the Scottish economy. There is also the matter of service personnel - some of which will be currently serving in historic English regiments. Any division of troops north and south of the border would take years.
:: 10. What would independence mean in terms of travelling across the Scotland-England border?
An independent Scotland would control its own borders. The SNP would like to see an open border, but Home Secretary Theresa May has already warned she will not allow Scotland to be used as a back door for immigrants getting into England if Scotland adopts a looser immigration policy. So, we could see passport controls on the border between the two countries.
:: 11. Would Scottish citizens need new passports?
A lot depends on whether Scotland joins the EU. Scottish citizens would be entitled to a Scottish passport, but a UK passport would still be valid until it expires. British citizens who were habitual residents in Scotland would be automatically considered Scottish citizens.
:: 12. What would happen to benefits and taxes?
Benefits and taxes will become the responsibility of the new Scottish government. In its white paper on Scotland's independence it says the Scottish Parliament will ensure that the personal tax allowance and tax credits increase in line with inflation.
http://news.sky.com/story/1332...and-leaves-the-union
(Nobody knows)
18 months to sort it all out , is ludicrous, so much of what would happen is in the unknown box.
If they do manage it in 18 months, it's going to be a bodge job and the UK gov. of the time will not be able to achieve anything at all, because everything will change 10 months down the line.
Madness.
Originally Posted by Sprout:
I was a bit.....what???? when Brown said the North East get's the better from pensions 
Just on catch up with this thread and didn't see the programme either but could he have meant in terms of how far it goes as opposed to other places where the cost of living is a lot higher? There is a huge difference in prices for a lot of things across the UK 
Originally Posted by MrsH:
:: 5. Would Scotland take part in the May 2015 General Election?
Scottish voters would still be able to take part, but their representatives would only potentially serve a 10-month term in office.
How many MP's are Scottish nationals?
If it is a Yes vote I feel they should be excluded from voting on anything that involves the rest of the UK, as it will then stand with them gone from it.. They can't have their cake and eat it too
I also think a Yes vote means they should be excluded from the next General Election... after all they can't be having a say in something they are leaving. . doesn't make sense
Like a divorce, before the full decree absolute is issued, if it is a Yes they should have a formal separation wef from Friday with terms of the divorce to be discussed from then on but with them having no input to anything to do with the remaining Countries in the Union..
but most of all I really hope it is a No and they don't leave 
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Originally Posted by MrsH:
:: 5. Would Scotland take part in the May 2015 General Election?
Scottish voters would still be able to take part, but their representatives would only potentially serve a 10-month term in office.
How many MP's are Scottish nationals?
If it is a Yes vote I feel they should be excluded from voting on anything that involves the rest of the UK, as it will then stand with them gone from it.. They can't have their cake and eat it too
I also think a Yes vote means they should be excluded from the next General Election... after all they can't be having a say in something they are leaving. . doesn't make sense
Like a divorce, before the full decree absolute is issued, if it is a Yes they should have a formal separation wef from Friday with terms of the divorce to be discussed from then on but with them having no input to anything to do with the remaining Countries in the Union..
but most of all I really hope it is a No and they don't leave
I totally agree Olly...on all points And TBH I can't see how Scottish MPs can be included in the next elections ....I mean what will happen if the final break comes in 2016 ....do we have to have another election for what is left of the BrItish Isles ?? For example , I think there may be a couple of dozen of Scottish MPs , so technically they could hold the balance of power....so if they suddenly just up sticks ......
Originally Posted by Baz:
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Originally Posted by MrsH:
:: 5. Would Scotland take part in the May 2015 General Election?
Scottish voters would still be able to take part, but their representatives would only potentially serve a 10-month term in office.
How many MP's are Scottish nationals?
If it is a Yes vote I feel they should be excluded from voting on anything that involves the rest of the UK, as it will then stand with them gone from it.. They can't have their cake and eat it too
I also think a Yes vote means they should be excluded from the next General Election... after all they can't be having a say in something they are leaving. . doesn't make sense
Like a divorce, before the full decree absolute is issued, if it is a Yes they should have a formal separation wef from Friday with terms of the divorce to be discussed from then on but with them having no input to anything to do with the remaining Countries in the Union..
but most of all I really hope it is a No and they don't leave
I totally agree Olly...on all points And TBH I can't see how Scottish MPs can be included in the next elections ....I mean what will happen if the final break comes in 2016 ....do we have to have another election for what is left of the BrItish Isles ?? For example , I think there may be a couple of dozen of Scottish MPs , so technically they could hold the balance of power....so if they suddenly just up sticks ......
I suppose the Scottish MPs could make their main residence in England which could mean they would remain in Parliament. Or maybe not. 
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Baz:
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Originally Posted by MrsH:
:: 5. Would Scotland take part in the May 2015 General Election?
Scottish voters would still be able to take part, but their representatives would only potentially serve a 10-month term in office.
How many MP's are Scottish nationals?
If it is a Yes vote I feel they should be excluded from voting on anything that involves the rest of the UK, as it will then stand with them gone from it.. They can't have their cake and eat it too
I also think a Yes vote means they should be excluded from the next General Election... after all they can't be having a say in something they are leaving. . doesn't make sense
Like a divorce, before the full decree absolute is issued, if it is a Yes they should have a formal separation wef from Friday with terms of the divorce to be discussed from then on but with them having no input to anything to do with the remaining Countries in the Union..
but most of all I really hope it is a No and they don't leave
I totally agree Olly...on all points And TBH I can't see how Scottish MPs can be included in the next elections ....I mean what will happen if the final break comes in 2016 ....do we have to have another election for what is left of the BrItish Isles ?? For example , I think there may be a couple of dozen of Scottish MPs , so technically they could hold the balance of power....so if they suddenly just up sticks ......
I suppose the Scottish MPs could make their main residence in England which could mean they would remain in Parliament. Or maybe not.
I think I'll vote for the * maybe not* Col Seriously , I think that would be very unfair ....I really ,really , really hope the split doesn't come, but if it does then it has to be total and complete IMO . But TBH I don't understand how people can vote yes when they have no idea how the thing is going to work ....it's like putting yes on a blank piece of paper
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Baz:
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Originally Posted by MrsH:
:: 5. Would Scotland take part in the May 2015 General Election?
Scottish voters would still be able to take part, but their representatives would only potentially serve a 10-month term in office.
How many MP's are Scottish nationals?
If it is a Yes vote I feel they should be excluded from voting on anything that involves the rest of the UK, as it will then stand with them gone from it.. They can't have their cake and eat it too
I also think a Yes vote means they should be excluded from the next General Election... after all they can't be having a say in something they are leaving. . doesn't make sense
Like a divorce, before the full decree absolute is issued, if it is a Yes they should have a formal separation wef from Friday with terms of the divorce to be discussed from then on but with them having no input to anything to do with the remaining Countries in the Union..
but most of all I really hope it is a No and they don't leave
I totally agree Olly...on all points And TBH I can't see how Scottish MPs can be included in the next elections ....I mean what will happen if the final break comes in 2016 ....do we have to have another election for what is left of the BrItish Isles ?? For example , I think there may be a couple of dozen of Scottish MPs , so technically they could hold the balance of power....so if they suddenly just up sticks ......
I suppose the Scottish MPs could make their main residence in England which could mean they would remain in Parliament. Or maybe not.
MP's represent their local constituents first and foremost and if they don't reside locally they should be deselected and a local person take their place.
but, more than anything it is not so much about where they reside it's about who they represent. Scottish MP's will be representing Scottish constituents who, if it is a yes vote, will/should have no further say in the the running of the remains of the UK, as it will be none of their business anymore. They can of course contribute to the separation talks about how it will be done but only about all things Scottish..
Also English, Welsh and Nth Ireland MP's should get a say in what the union stands to lose if things are being gifted to Scotland to help them get set up.
Originally Posted by Baz:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Baz:
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Originally Posted by MrsH:
:: 5. Would Scotland take part in the May 2015 General Election?
Scottish voters would still be able to take part, but their representatives would only potentially serve a 10-month term in office.
How many MP's are Scottish nationals?
If it is a Yes vote I feel they should be excluded from voting on anything that involves the rest of the UK, as it will then stand with them gone from it.. They can't have their cake and eat it too
I also think a Yes vote means they should be excluded from the next General Election... after all they can't be having a say in something they are leaving. . doesn't make sense
Like a divorce, before the full decree absolute is issued, if it is a Yes they should have a formal separation wef from Friday with terms of the divorce to be discussed from then on but with them having no input to anything to do with the remaining Countries in the Union..
but most of all I really hope it is a No and they don't leave
I totally agree Olly...on all points And TBH I can't see how Scottish MPs can be included in the next elections ....I mean what will happen if the final break comes in 2016 ....do we have to have another election for what is left of the BrItish Isles ?? For example , I think there may be a couple of dozen of Scottish MPs , so technically they could hold the balance of power....so if they suddenly just up sticks ......
I suppose the Scottish MPs could make their main residence in England which could mean they would remain in Parliament. Or maybe not.
I think I'll vote for the * maybe not* Col Seriously , I think that would be very unfair ....I really ,really , really hope the split doesn't come, but if it does then it has to be total and complete IMO . But TBH I don't understand how people can vote yes when they have no idea how the thing is going to work ....it's like putting yes on a blank piece of paper
totally agree with the BIB
but also don't want them to go anywhere
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Baz:
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Originally Posted by MrsH:
:: 5. Would Scotland take part in the May 2015 General Election?
Scottish voters would still be able to take part, but their representatives would only potentially serve a 10-month term in office.
How many MP's are Scottish nationals?
If it is a Yes vote I feel they should be excluded from voting on anything that involves the rest of the UK, as it will then stand with them gone from it.. They can't have their cake and eat it too
I also think a Yes vote means they should be excluded from the next General Election... after all they can't be having a say in something they are leaving. . doesn't make sense
Like a divorce, before the full decree absolute is issued, if it is a Yes they should have a formal separation wef from Friday with terms of the divorce to be discussed from then on but with them having no input to anything to do with the remaining Countries in the Union..
but most of all I really hope it is a No and they don't leave
I totally agree Olly...on all points And TBH I can't see how Scottish MPs can be included in the next elections ....I mean what will happen if the final break comes in 2016 ....do we have to have another election for what is left of the BrItish Isles ?? For example , I think there may be a couple of dozen of Scottish MPs , so technically they could hold the balance of power....so if they suddenly just up sticks ......
I suppose the Scottish MPs could make their main residence in England which could mean they would remain in Parliament. Or maybe not.
MP's represent their local constituents first and foremost and if they don't reside locally they should be deselected and a local person take their place.
but, more than anything it is not so much about where they reside it's about who they represent. Scottish MP's will be representing Scottish constituents who, if it is a yes vote, will/should have no further say in the the running of the remains of the UK, as it will be none of their business anymore. They can of course contribute to the separation talks about how it will be done but only about all things Scottish..
Also English, Welsh and Nth Ireland MP's should get a say in what the union stands to lose if things are being gifted to Scotland to help them get set up.
Again I totally agree
Betfair pays out early on Scottish independence 'No' vote
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fin...endence-No-vote.html
Betfair is so confident of a "No" vote in Thursday's Scottish independence referendum that it is already paying out to those who have staked money on it.
The online bookmaker says it is paying out a "six-figure sum".
Despite polls ahead of the vote continuing to be close, betting markets have been overwhelmingly in favour of the Better Together camp winning on Thursday.
Betfair said this morning that gambling patterns indicate a 79pc likelihood of a "No" vote. Despite the odds on "Yes" shortening last week, they have lengthened significantly in the last few days.
Betfair's pay-out applies to its sportsbook operation, not the online exchange in which punters bet against each other.
Odds on a "Yes" vote have drifted from 4 (or 3/1) at the end of last week to 4.5 (or 7/2) on the exchange.
Has Gordon Brown been on the Irn Bru? He's certainly seems to have got a new lease of life
Maybe you're right, Velvet. I just wish he'd shown as much fire and passion when he was Labour leader
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Sky News anchor Kay Burley calls Yes Scotland campaigner a 'k**b' live on air
Originally Posted by MrsH:
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Sky News anchor Kay Burley calls Yes Scotland campaigner a 'k**b' live on air
Plonker !
she goes from bad to worse and she's allegedly one of their senior reporters 
Originally Posted by Madame Arcati:
Has Gordon Brown been on the Irn Bru? He's certainly seems to have got a new lease of life
stonking speech
Originally Posted by MrsH:
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Sky News anchor Kay Burley calls Yes Scotland campaigner a 'k**b' live on air
How I despise that woman..
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
I was a bit.....what???? when Brown said the North East get's the better from pensions
Just on catch up with this thread and didn't see the programme either but could he have meant in terms of how far it goes as opposed to other places where the cost of living is a lot higher? There is a huge difference in prices for a lot of things across the UK
I just caught a bit of it and I think he said Wales gets the better from healthcare and London on housing benefit or something I think he was meaning in terms of money per capita on each service - i.e. there's differing requirements for different things in different areas. I assumed the north had a higher proportion of pensions, London had a bigger proportion in supported housing etc. Could be wrong though..