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Got a phone call from someone about reclaiming tax on my (non-existent) PPI claim today. I knew this was a scam and terminated the call.
A PPI claim consists of 3 elements:
refund of premiums (no tax would have been deducted from that)
refund of historic interest that you paid as a result of paying those premiums (no tax would have been deducted from that)
interest paid as compensation ( tax at 20% will have been deducted from that and so is potentially reclaimable).
It's far better for someone to contact HMRC to get that tax repaid rather than fall to some scammer ringing you.

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

Got a phone call from someone about reclaiming tax on my (non-existent) PPI claim today. I knew this was a scam and terminated the call.
A PPI claim consists of 3 elements:
refund of premiums (no tax would have been deducted from that)
refund of historic interest that you paid as a result of paying those premiums (no tax would have been deducted from that)
interest paid as compensation ( tax at 20% will have been deducted from that and so is potentially reclaimable).
It's far better for someone to contact HMRC to get that tax repaid rather than fall to some scammer ringing you.

Thanks El I never believe anyone who rings me out of the blue â€Ķ.I either put the phone straight down â€Ķ.or, if I’m feeling I string them along .

Baz

Today the phone rang and I picked it up

Hello Mrs *****

Meâ€Ķâ€ĶHello and goodbye (his sentence following the opening was incomprehensible)

Two mins Laterâ€Ķphone rings again

Himâ€Ķ..Mrs *****  why did you hang up on me?

MEâ€Ķ.because I couldn’t understand a word you said

HIMâ€Ķ..But you can hear me nowâ€Ķâ€Ķ.about your Microsoftâ€Ķ..

Meâ€Ķ.Interruptingâ€Ķâ€Ķ.Nice tryâ€Ķ..now bugga off

talk about cheekâ€Ķ..surely these people must have realised that this is such an old  scam!

Kaytee
@Kaytee posted:

Today the phone rang and I picked it up

Hello Mrs *****

Meâ€Ķâ€ĶHello and goodbye (his sentence following the opening was incomprehensible)

Two mins Laterâ€Ķphone rings again

Himâ€Ķ..Mrs *****  why did you hang up on me?

MEâ€Ķ.because I couldn’t understand a word you said

HIMâ€Ķ..But you can hear me nowâ€Ķâ€Ķ.about your Microsoftâ€Ķ..

Meâ€Ķ.Interruptingâ€Ķâ€Ķ.Nice tryâ€Ķ..now bugga off

talk about cheekâ€Ķ..surely these people must have realised that this is such an old  scam!

ðŸĪĢðŸĪĢðŸĪĢðŸĪĢI’ve not had one of those for a while Kaytee ðŸĨ°ðŸĨ°

Baz

HMRC issued this alert today:

HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) is today warning customers not to share sensitive personal information online to avoid their identities being used to commit tax fraud.

HMRC is aware that criminals are attempting to obtain customers’ Government Gateway logins and other personal details, enabling them to register for Income Tax Self Assessment and submit bogus tax refund claims before pocketing the repayment.

Individuals, ranging from teenagers to pensioners, are being targeted on social media platforms by fraudsters seeking to ‘borrow’ their identities. In return, the individual is promised a cut of the tax refund ‘risk-free’.

Handing over sensitive personal information to criminals like this, even inadvertently, risks individuals involving themselves in tax fraud, and having to pay back the full value of the fraudulent claim.

Customers should therefore only deal with HMRC directly or through their tax advisor in relation to their Self Assessment tax refunds.

Simon Cubitt, Head of Cybercrime, HMRC said:

People need to think extremely carefully before they involve themselves in an arrangement like this, because if something looks too good to be true, then it almost certainly is.

Those who get involved risk becoming the victim of blackmail, threats of violence and wider abuse of their personal information, as criminals seek to exploit them further.

I urge anyone who may be aware of these dishonest attempts to recruit individuals into criminality, to report it us by searching ‘Report Fraud HMRC’ on GOV.UK and completing our online form.

In addition to their Government Gateway credentials, customers may also be asked to provide details of their bank account, passport, driving licence, address, date of birth, and National Insurance number.

HMRC is working with other law enforcement agencies and social media companies to tackle criminality on online platforms.

Last month (10 February), HMRC made coordinated arrests of four individuals aged between 16 and 33 in Hertfordshire, Bristol, Derbyshire and Buckinghamshire as part of an investigation into suspected Self Assessment repayment fraud and money laundering offences. Investigations are ongoing.

El Loro
@Baz posted:

Thanks El I had the old Microsoft scam this morning â€Ķ.not had that for ages

I also got a classic "Golden Oldie" this morning: a traditional "419" scam post!   It clamed to be from a bank in the UAE who had recently "discovered" a dormant account previously owned by Saddam Hussein, and wanted to discuss a "business opportunity" with me...

Eugene's Lair

I also got a classic "Golden Oldie" this morning: a traditional "419" scam post!   It clamed to be from a bank in the UAE who had recently "discovered" a dormant account previously owned by Saddam Hussein, and wanted to discuss a "business opportunity" with me...

This will be updated with links to Russian oligarchs very shortly

Carnelian

The ICO has fined a total of ÂĢ405,000 to five companies responsible for over 750,000 unwanted marketing calls targeted at older, vulnerable people. The ICO also issued these companies with enforcement notices that require them to immediately stop making these predatory calls. The companies were trying to sell insurance policies for appliances such as washing machines.
https://ico.org.uk/about-the-i...y-vulnerable-people/

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

The ICO has fined a total of ÂĢ405,000 to five companies responsible for over 750,000 unwanted marketing calls targeted at older, vulnerable people. The ICO also issued these companies with enforcement notices that require them to immediately stop making these predatory calls. The companies were trying to sell insurance policies for appliances such as washing machines.
https://ico.org.uk/about-the-i...y-vulnerable-people/

So for those poor individuals of the 750,000 who suffered at the hands of these companies, can feel compensated that their stress (or other) brought on by those calls are worth 54p
It's not enough in my view!

slimfern
@slimfern posted:

So for those poor individuals of the 750,000 who suffered at the hands of these companies, can feel compensated that their stress (or other) brought on by those calls are worth 54p
It's not enough in my view!

I think one can sue the individual companies for compensation though would be too costly to consider other than one of those group class actions which are more common in the States.

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

I think one can sue the individual companies for compensation though would be too costly to consider other than one of those group class actions which are more common in the States.

The States are better prepared for suing than we are here in Britain...although we have gotten better over recent years, which I'm not sure I like tbh.
Especially dislike those 'No win No fee' companies
As you say, it is a costly affair going through the courts...shameful really.

slimfern
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@El Loro posted:

Warning issued by local councils that fraudsters are ringing people to get their bank details so that the ÂĢ150 energy rebate can be paid to them. Councils would never ask for bank details by ringing people for them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61119730

Thanks El I was reading about it this morning â€Ķbarstewards.I’ve been watching that Scammers programme on bbc this week â€Ķ.a bit dramatically ott â€Ķbut quite interesting .

Baz

I had a scammer  claiming they wanted to refund me a hundred quid on a non existent washing machine repair policy . He asked me if my postcode was blah blah, was my address blah blah , etc â€Ķ.to which I answered no â€Ķ.he was getting more and more exasperated â€Ķ.so he asked me for my supposed new address . I said well if you have my policy ( which doesn’t exist ) you should know that â€Ķ.at which point he put the phone down . The way I look at it is while I’m busy wasting his time he ain’t scamming some other poor devil !

Baz
@Baz posted:

I had a scammer  claiming they wanted to refund me a hundred quid on a non existent washing machine repair policy . He asked me if my postcode was blah blah, was my address blah blah , etc â€Ķ.to which I answered no â€Ķ.he was getting more and more exasperated â€Ķ.so he asked me for my supposed new address . I said well if you have my policy ( which doesn’t exist ) you should know that â€Ķ.at which point he put the phone down . The way I look at it is while I’m busy wasting his time he ain’t scamming some other poor devil !

I has a very similar call a week ago. Caller addressed me by name. When I told the caller I had no such policy she then asked if I was (she used a different first name this time). When I said no, she then said she had the wrong number and rang off.
Obviously a scammer trying to get my bank details.

El Loro
@Baz posted:

I had a scammer  claiming they wanted to refund me a hundred quid on a non existent washing machine repair policy . He asked me if my postcode was blah blah, was my address blah blah , etc â€Ķ.to which I answered no â€Ķ.he was getting more and more exasperated â€Ķ.so he asked me for my supposed new address . I said well if you have my policy ( which doesn’t exist ) you should know that â€Ķ.at which point he put the phone down . The way I look at it is while I’m busy wasting his time he ain’t scamming some other poor devil !

Good for you. I do exactly the same

Moonie
@El Loro posted:

I has a very similar call a week ago. Caller addressed me by name. When I told the caller I had no such policy she then asked if I was (she used a different first name this time). When I said no, she then said she had the wrong number and rang off.
Obviously a scammer trying to get my bank details.

Yes, that’s what they are after El â€Ķ.mine addressed me by name too . Thing I’d , I did have a policy like that about a decade ago â€Ķ.so I’m wondering if they’ve hacked some sort of database ! Anyway , at least I managed to frustrate him .

Baz
@Baz posted:

Yes, that’s what they are after El â€Ķ.mine addressed me by name too . Thing I’d , I did have a policy like that about a decade ago â€Ķ.so I’m wondering if they’ve hacked some sort of database ! Anyway , at least I managed to frustrate him .


I've been reporting these calls to the ICO for them to investigate.
That's what Which? people advise:
Lots of recent comments on this Which? page:
https://conversation.which.co....nce-cold-call-scams/

El Loro

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