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Originally Posted by ~Cosmopolitan~:
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
Originally Posted by ~Cosmopolitan~:

If she's that noticeable then how come no one had noticed her until the DM article?  There are no secrets in 'Fleet Street' - she'd have been the talk of the walk waaaaaaaay before now if she was all that.

 

Good bit of self promo though

I've not got a clue who she is  

Nor have I   And I can't be bothered to find out.

My thoughts entirely, if she's after attention and clicks on some website or other, they won't be coming from this direction

FM
Originally Posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
In spite of my occasional international travel the chances of meeting this lass is zero. At the moment I find myself in a High Street shop waiting for Mrs Jer to chose between several pairs of jeans. A succession of chicks are walking by in sheer black tights. Mingetastic!

You go to all of the best places Jer!

Oh, and Easter chicks I assume?!

To the left, North Road, opposite Marx and Spencies! (as me Mum calls 'em)

 

Meanwhile, I wonder if the fragrant Ms Brick will ever know that we've done a thread in her honour?

Garage Joe
Originally Posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

There is a small amount of truth in what she says.  In almost every single series of BB, the pretty girl has been the first housemate to leave.  Year after year, they had to bring in females at latter stages because the largely female audience kept voting out the often innocuous female housemates while obnoxious male housemates got away with murder - especially if they were pretty boys. If a female housemate wanted to stay in BB, she was better off being plain or middle aged,  However, who knows, if BB was skewed with the majority being male viewers, the situation would probably  be reversed.

Mmmmm, not so sure, there've been some good looking women who have lasted the course.....As I remember it, (generally speaking,) the ones who are full of themselves tend to not last too long   

But the men who've been absolutely full of themselves did last long. 

 

If I recall correctly, every single C4 series of BB, the first housemate to leave was a pretty girl, often for something quite innocuous that did seem to get the female audience's backs up.  If a pretty girl flirted or argued with a male housemate, they were as good as gone.

 

I think there is a bit of truth that women like women who, if they are pretty, are modest about it but overall, many would just prefer a plain or chubby girl with insecurities.

 

I don't know if the same thing is true of men.  Quite possibly is. 

Carnelian
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
Originally Posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

There is a small amount of truth in what she says.  In almost every single series of BB, the pretty girl has been the first housemate to leave.  Year after year, they had to bring in females at latter stages because the largely female audience kept voting out the often innocuous female housemates while obnoxious male housemates got away with murder - especially if they were pretty boys. If a female housemate wanted to stay in BB, she was better off being plain or middle aged,  However, who knows, if BB was skewed with the majority being male viewers, the situation would probably  be reversed.

Mmmmm, not so sure, there've been some good looking women who have lasted the course.....As I remember it, (generally speaking,) the ones who are full of themselves tend to not last too long   

But the men who've been absolutely full of themselves did last long. 

 

If I recall correctly, every single C4 series of BB, the first housemate to leave was a pretty girl, often for something quite innocuous that did seem to get the female audience's backs up.  If a pretty girl flirted or argued with a male housemate, they were as good as gone.

 

I think there is a bit of truth that women like women who, if they are pretty, are modest about it but overall, many would just prefer a plain or chubby girl with insecurities.

 

I don't know if the same thing is true of men.  Quite possibly is. 


Bonneh left week one after nine days,with 78% of the vote. 

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FM
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Originally Posted by Carnelian:
 

 

If I recall correctly, every single C4 series of BB, the first housemate to leave was a pretty girl, often for something quite innocuous that did seem to get the female audience's backs up.  If a pretty girl flirted or argued with a male housemate, they were as good as gone.

 

I think there is a bit of truth that women like women who, if they are pretty, are modest about it but overall, many would just prefer a plain or chubby girl with insecurities.

 

I don't know if the same thing is true of men.  Quite possibly is. 

That's subjective, of course.

Here's a list of all the first evictees, and who there were up against:

 

BB1: Sada (over Caroline);

BB2: Penny (over Helen);

BB3: Lynne evicted over Jade by the HMs (first proper public evictee was Alison);

BB4: Anouska (over Fed, Jon and Scott);

BB5: Vanessa (over Dan);

BB6: Mary (over Craig);

BB7: Bonnie (over Glyn);

BB8: Shabnam (over Carole and Tracey);

BB9: Stephanie (over Lisa, Luke and Mario);

BB10: Sophia (over Freddie) [Beinazir was first to go, but was never officially a HM];

BB11: Rachael (over Shabby and Sunshine);

BB12: Tashie (over Aaron and Harry)

 

While I think some of those support the suggestion, I wouldn't say they all do. There often were perfectly valid reasons for female HMs being evicted early that had little to do with being pretty (or even female).

Mary overplayed the "witch" line, and just came across a bit too wierd (it would be some weeks before that was also true of Craig...)

To some extent, that was also the case with Penny, and there was a definite feeling with some of the public that it would be better for her own sake if she left the house.

Vanessa was the first proper BB5 eviction (after Kitten's ejection and the Bedsit twist), however she didn't come particularly well out of "Fight Night", whereas Dan did.

Bonnie didn't cope well with not getting her suitcase, but if Dawn hadn't left/been evicted, I don't think Bonnie's eviction would have been a certainty.

 

Anouska has often been cited as a particularly bad case of "jealous viewer" syndrome. It's certainly true that she made one of the disasterous "first impressions" in BB history (she went in "dressed-to-impress", only to stick out like a sore thumb against all the others who had gone for a lower-key look). However, it's worth remembering who she was up against: Scott was the bookies favourite for most of the series and was going nowhere in the first week, whereas Jon and Fed were disliked by the get-along-gang in the house, but loved by the public as they were the only HMs actually doing anything remotely entertaining.

Eugene's Lair
Originally Posted by Eugene's Lair:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
 

 

If I recall correctly, every single C4 series of BB, the first housemate to leave was a pretty girl, often for something quite innocuous that did seem to get the female audience's backs up.  If a pretty girl flirted or argued with a male housemate, they were as good as gone.

 

I think there is a bit of truth that women like women who, if they are pretty, are modest about it but overall, many would just prefer a plain or chubby girl with insecurities.

 

I don't know if the same thing is true of men.  Quite possibly is. 

That's subjective, of course.

Here's a list of all the first evictees, and who there were up against:

 

BB1: Sada (over Caroline);

BB2: Penny (over Helen);

BB3: Lynne evicted over Jade by the HMs (first proper public evictee was Alison);

BB4: Anouska (over Fed, Jon and Scott);

BB5: Vanessa (over Dan);

BB6: Mary (over Craig);

BB7: Bonnie (over Glyn);

BB8: Shabnam (over Carole and Tracey);

BB9: Stephanie (over Lisa, Luke and Mario);

BB10: Sophia (over Freddie) [Beinazir was first to go, but was never officially a HM];

BB11: Rachael (over Shabby and Sunshine);

BB12: Tashie (over Aaron and Harry)

 

While I think some of those support the suggestion, I wouldn't say they all do. There often were perfectly valid reasons for female HMs being evicted early that had little to do with being pretty (or even female).

Mary overplayed the "witch" line, and just came across a bit too wierd (it would be some weeks before that was also true of Craig...)

To some extent, that was also the case with Penny, and there was a definite feeling with some of the public that it would be better for her own sake if she left the house.

Vanessa was the first proper BB5 eviction (after Kitten's ejection and the Bedsit twist), however she didn't come particularly well out of "Fight Night", whereas Dan did.

Bonnie didn't cope well with not getting her suitcase, but if Dawn hadn't left/been evicted, I don't think Bonnie's eviction would have been a certainty.

 

Anouska has often been cited as a particularly bad case of "jealous viewer" syndrome. It's certainly true that she made one of the disasterous "first impressions" in BB history (she went in "dressed-to-impress", only to stick out like a sore thumb against all the others who had gone for a lower-key look). However, it's worth remembering who she was up against: Scott was the bookies favourite for most of the series and was going nowhere in the first week, whereas Jon and Fed were disliked by the get-along-gang in the house, but loved by the public as they were the only HMs actually doing anything remotely entertaining.

Statistically, the evidence is overwhelming that female audiences don't like the prettier females.  Granted that not all of those would fall into the category 'pretty female', but even with exceptions the numbers stack up to a hard and consistent trend.

 

If you were putting money on a first eviction, you'd be an absolute fool not to put your money on the most attractive female housemate, especially if that housemate was self confident about their looks.

 

Plus of course the pretty females consistently exited in subsequent evictions soon after if they're not culled in the first eviction. 

 

If you flip a coin 12 times what are the chances of getting 'heads' 12 times?  I make it 1:4096.  Mere coincidence? 

Carnelian
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Originally Posted by Carnelian:
If you flip a coin 12 times what are the chances of getting 'heads' 12 times?  I make it 1:4096.  Mere coincidence?

Oh I agree it's not good: no argument there.

Your "12 coin tosses" isn't an entirely fair analogy, though, as in 4 of the series there was no option but for the public to evict a girl. (I'm not counting Lynne in BB3, but am counting BB8, which was rigged to force a female evictee in the first week.)

Eugene's Lair

True, but all things being equal, the odds would be 1:2.  It would never be that in reality but anything that diverges from 1:2 suggests a possible bias, 1:4 would be a clear bias but 1:4096 is an extraordinary bias. Even ignoring the four you mentioned it's still 1:256 which are incredible odds.  Of course, that statistically equates to one first BB eviction being a male housemate in every 256 years of non-celeb BB!!

Carnelian
Last edited by Carnelian
Originally Posted by Eugene's Lair:
 

That's subjective, of course.

Here's a list of all the first evictees, and who there were up against:

 

BB1: Sada (over Caroline);

BB2: Penny (over Helen);

BB3: Lynne evicted over Jade by the HMs (first proper public evictee was Alison);

BB4: Anouska (over Fed, Jon and Scott);

BB5: Vanessa (over Dan);

BB6: Mary (over Craig);

BB7: Bonnie (over Glyn);

BB8: Shabnam (over Carole and Tracey);

BB9: Stephanie (over Lisa, Luke and Mario);

BB10: Sophia (over Freddie) [Beinazir was first to go, but was never officially a HM];

BB11: Rachael (over Shabby and Sunshine);

BB12: Tashie (over Aaron and Harry)

 

While I think some of those support the suggestion, I wouldn't say they all do. There often were perfectly valid reasons for female HMs being evicted early that had little to do with being pretty (or even female).

Mary overplayed the "witch" line, and just came across a bit too wierd (it would be some weeks before that was also true of Craig...)

To some extent, that was also the case with Penny, and there was a definite feeling with some of the public that it would be better for her own sake if she left the house.

Vanessa was the first proper BB5 eviction (after Kitten's ejection and the Bedsit twist), however she didn't come particularly well out of "Fight Night", whereas Dan did.

Bonnie didn't cope well with not getting her suitcase, but if Dawn hadn't left/been evicted, I don't think Bonnie's eviction would have been a certainty.

 

Anouska has often been cited as a particularly bad case of "jealous viewer" syndrome. It's certainly true that she made one of the disasterous "first impressions" in BB history (she went in "dressed-to-impress", only to stick out like a sore thumb against all the others who had gone for a lower-key look). However, it's worth remembering who she was up against: Scott was the bookies favourite for most of the series and was going nowhere in the first week, whereas Jon and Fed were disliked by the get-along-gang in the house, but loved by the public as they were the only HMs actually doing anything remotely entertaining.

As you say eugene, it's v subjective. I maintain that there are some v 'pretty' females who have done very well. Also, surely for the 'Samantha Brick theory' to work that other females hate on pretty females and men are all over them, then those who were up for eviction would have been mainly nominated by other females in the house and worshipped by the guys? I had a look at the nominations and, in every case where a female went first more male hms than female hms nominated the eventual evictee!

BB1: Sada 5 male votes 1 female vote

BB2: Penny 3 male votes 2 female votes

BB3: Lynne evicted over Jade by the HMs (first proper public evictee was Alison); Alison: 3 male votes 1 female vote

BB4: Anouska 4 male votes 2 female votes

BB5: Vanessa 4 male votes 1 female vote(Nadia)

BB6: Mary got 2 female votes and 0 male votes, however she was only up because Makosi who had got 3 male and 1 female vote 'chose her' and Craig when she passed her secret task

BB7: Bonnie (not 'chosen' as a hm)

BB9: Stephanie ( went up due to task fail)

BB10: Sophia 3 male vote 2 female votes

BB11: Rachael 2 male votes and 0 female votes, but was only up because Dave, (a male!) who was supposed to be up 'replaced' himself with her

BB12: Tashie got 3 male votes and 2 female votes

FM
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
 

Statistically, the evidence is overwhelming that female audiences don't like the prettier females.  Granted that not all of those would fall into the category 'pretty female', but even with exceptions the numbers stack up to a hard and consistent trend.

 

If you were putting money on a first eviction, you'd be an absolute fool not to put your money on the most attractive female housemate, especially if that housemate was self confident about their looks.

 

Plus of course the pretty females consistently exited in subsequent evictions soon after if they're not culled in the first eviction. 

 

If you flip a coin 12 times what are the chances of getting 'heads' 12 times?  I make it 1:4096.  Mere coincidence? 

I'm not sure where you are getting your statistics from Carnelian Is it only women who vote

However,  If I'd put my money on who I thought was the most attractive looking female for the first eviction, then I'd have lost every single time, because I'd have gone:

BB1 Melanie,(4th) or Anna, (2nd)

BB2 Helen, (2nd) or Narrinder(9th)

BB3 Kate (1st) or Adele (7th)

BB4 Steph, (4th) or Nush (5th)

BB5 Shell (4th) or Michelle (5th)

BB6 Oirlath (walked) or Makosi (3rd)

BB7 Imogen (7th) or Aislyene (3rd)

BB8 Chanelle, (walked) or Kara Louise, (7th)

BB9 Sara (3rd)  or Maysoon (walked)

BB10 Sophie (1st) or Noirion (11th)

BB11 Caiomhe (walked)or Josie (1st)

BB12 Louise (4th) or Maisy (10th)

FM
Originally Posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
 

Statistically, the evidence is overwhelming that female audiences don't like the prettier females.  Granted that not all of those would fall into the category 'pretty female', but even with exceptions the numbers stack up to a hard and consistent trend.

 

If you were putting money on a first eviction, you'd be an absolute fool not to put your money on the most attractive female housemate, especially if that housemate was self confident about their looks.

 

Plus of course the pretty females consistently exited in subsequent evictions soon after if they're not culled in the first eviction. 

 

If you flip a coin 12 times what are the chances of getting 'heads' 12 times?  I make it 1:4096.  Mere coincidence? 

I'm not sure where you are getting your statistics from Carnelian Is it only women who vote

However,  If I'd put my money on who I thought was the most attractive looking female for the first eviction, then I'd have lost every single time, because I'd have gone:

BB1 Melanie,(4th) or Anna, (2nd)

BB2 Helen, (2nd) or Narrinder(9th)

BB3 Kate (1st) or Adele (7th)

BB4 Steph, (4th) or Nush (5th)

BB5 Shell (4th) or Michelle (5th)

BB6 Oirlath (walked) or Makosi (3rd)

BB7 Imogen (7th) or Aislyene (3rd)

BB8 Chanelle, (walked) or Kara Louise, (7th)

BB9 Sara (3rd)  or Maysoon (walked)

BB10 Sophie (1st) or Noirion (11th)

BB11 Caiomhe (walked)or Josie (1st)

BB12 Louise (4th) or Maisy (10th)

It's heavily skewed towards female viewers and voters.  BB is one of the very few events where female betting outweighs the male betting.

 

'Most attractive' was the wrong phrase to use because beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so for 'most attractive' read, 'obviously attractive'.  None of those comparisons have the result of the early evictions and particularly when the females were up against male housemates.

 

You can't really argue with 12 from 12 (or 8 from 8 if you concede Eugene's point) being females to suggest a very strong pattern.  I'm not disparaging females as such and for all I know, if the majority of BB viewers were male, it may have been 12 blokes in 12 series.  Additionally, the hate directed at certain housemates by the mob (of mostly females) was often horrendously disproportionate to the supposed crime of the female housemate, whereas some utterly obnoxious male housemates would come out to cheers.

 

This is old news of course, but it does indicate that the stunning Ms Brick has a point, although the other side of that discussion is the conceit of a woman who's quite average.  Still, if you don't mind global ridicule, then I guess it's been a good week's work for her.

Carnelian

Carnelian, absolutely can't argue with the fact that females go in the first eviction, obviously, BUT, I, thought that your contention was about  'pretty' females not having a chance 'cos the mainly female viewers/voters got rid of them i.e.: "the pretty girl has been the first housemate to leave" or "If a female housemate wanted to stay in BB, she was better off being plain or middle aged;" "Statistically, the evidence is overwhelming that female audiences don't like the prettier females;"  "the pretty females consistently exited in subsequent evictions soon after if they're not culled in the first eviction." I really do think the evidence up above does not support that ^^^

You seem to be changing your argument now, if I may say so! 

FM
Originally Posted by Supercalifragilistic:

 I had a look at the nominations and, in every case where a female went first more male hms than female hms nominated the eventual evictee!

BB1: Sada 5 male votes 1 female vote

[..]

BB4: Anouska 4 male votes 2 female votes


It's largely forgotten now, but worth pointing out that Caroline and Sada were nominated in the first week of BB1 as a result of what appears to have been block voting by the boys (all 5 of them nominated Sada and Caroline). BB clearly didn't see anything out of order with it at the time, but in the context of what we now know Nick was getting up to, it all looks rather suspicious in hindsight. There was footage at the time of the boys - led by Nick - running into their bedroom (there were seperate boy and girl rooms in those days) laughing and congratulating each other at the nomination result.

 

As for BB4: I don't think it was the case in the first few days (and remember that the first nominations were made on the opening night), but there were accusations throughout the series of a significant gender split in the house. I can't say it really shows in the nominations, though, with Jon in particular being targetted consistently by boys and girls alike.

Eugene's Lair

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