its a programme-not real-things like that DO happen-not very often-its pretend..i know,,ive watched it..its called a soap opera..ie..not real
mumsnet *tut*
jumping on the bandwagon about a pretend event..same as anne diamond..jumping on same bandwagon
eastenders..walford..dosent exsist..fictional..like anne diamonds weight loss..gastric band..pretending she was on a diet..Fictional..
The thing is though all those who are saying it was wrong etc are the ones who are giving the storyline more publicity and making it a far bigger issue. Surely if it really upsets you the last thing you want to do is keep publicising it.
One thing that comes to mind, the BBC has provided helplines for people who have been affected, just as they did with the Whitney/Tony/child molestation storyline. So credit where credit is due.
I'm still puzzled over why the BBC provided a helpline for the Doctor Who episode with Vincent Van Gogh. Perhaps it was for any Time Lords who felt that when they met Vincent it wasn't like what was portrayed?
I'm still puzzled over why the BBC provided a helpline for the Doctor Who episode with Vincent Van Gogh. Perhaps it was for any Time Lords who felt that when they met Vincent it wasn't like what was portrayed?
Yes, its a storyline but people are entitled to have an opinion about it.
And Anne Diamond is more than qualified to air her views as she suffered the loss of her own child to cot death.
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Suzi - re Dr Who
And Anne Diamond is more than qualified to air her views as she suffered the loss of her own child to cot death.
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Suzi - re Dr Who
quote:I agree with the comments about Jessie Wallace playing her part well - I've never thought of her as such a good actress until now.
same here, she's been fantastic... I honestly didn't think she was that good
'If it really upset you'. What planet are you on?
do what i did..i found the story a bit shit/depressing etc..so i went outta the room and into the pc room and stuck headphones on and listened to kylie/carpenters/simple plan/blondie..then i read the papers the next day..
i recommend the carpenters/blondie/kylie/simple plan/joni mitchell/bjork/gillian walsh..if one of them artists doenst cheer you up then..
you smell
i recommend the carpenters/blondie/kylie/simple plan/joni mitchell/bjork/gillian walsh..if one of them artists doenst cheer you up then..
you smell
I see Brian Kirkwood has issued a statement regarding the storyline. However the idiot doesn't realise its not the cot death storyline people are complaining about, its the baby sway.
Jessie Wallace as Pat Phoenix did a fantastic job. Perhaps it's time she left the dark,dank,desperately directed by dritsek, depressing EE and joined the street.
I told you East Enders was shite and to make it worse they are apparently altering/shortening the plot because of the hysteria showcased by people who should know better. One only needs to read the local sheets to understand some of the dreadful things going on out there. If these organisations are offended by the subject matter why don't they get out and about and improve real people's experiences of life, rather than wasting time and resource attacking a drama.
Elsewhere, having had to sit through this depressing crap, how pleasant it was to watch the pure escapism of Hustle. Antithesis!
IMO of course.
NB dritsek is scandanavian for shitbag!
I personally think the storyline has been handled well. This wasn't something that just "happened" to Ronnie. She wasn't stable then when her baby died she cracked. Her meltdown has been building up for years and IMO Eastenders have shown in a quite accurate way how a woman can be so broken inside that what makes most of the population sick feels....to her....like the right thing to do. A desperate, abused woman clinging onto the NEED to be a mother. All of the storylines are researched and the actors spend time with people who have been in those situations so I don't think any decision they make is done so lightly.
I find it upsetting to watch. Not because it's insensitive but because I've watched her gradually breaking down. (Yes...I know it's not real but for many women it is). I hope the soaps keep covering controversial subjects. Nobody would watch if it was boring and over the years they've raised awareness of many taboo subjects.
I find it upsetting to watch. Not because it's insensitive but because I've watched her gradually breaking down. (Yes...I know it's not real but for many women it is). I hope the soaps keep covering controversial subjects. Nobody would watch if it was boring and over the years they've raised awareness of many taboo subjects.
I don't normally watch EE, (or indeed any of the soaps,) but caught a bit of it this week and ended up watching two episodes...Tbh, I really don't understand what all of the complaints are about, yes it might be v v upsetting for some of those who have lost a child through cot-death or have had their child abducted, but surely there are loads of sensitive subjects that are covered in dramas and documentaries that some will find upsetting and don't want to watch or find watching v uncomfortable? Why the complaints about this? Truly, I don't understand
I only see EE when my nieces are over at my house.
I find this storyline unbelievable. SIDS is very unusual at such an early age. I am not aware that there has ever been a case where a bereaved mother has gone out to steal another persons baby within hours of the loss of her own baby.
I find this storyline unbelievable. SIDS is very unusual at such an early age. I am not aware that there has ever been a case where a bereaved mother has gone out to steal another persons baby within hours of the loss of her own baby.
I don't really understand that point. It's drama. Surely this is some part of an organised anti-BBC campaign. Much as though I dislike EE it almost makes me want to defend it.
I think as a viewer (and a viewer since it started), I have the right to have an opinion on the show and the storyline. The writers of EE have said in the past that they attempt to be as realistic as possible in their storylines as the show is supposed to reflect a real life square in the East End.
I have admired the way they have taken on gritty storylines in the past, and after thinking about it, with this one I believe they did do their homework, they wouldn't have gone into this blindly. I just think they've gone too far. I still think by doing the baby swap thing it's taken away the cot death storyline as a solus situation and the grief associated with that (even though the two are linked but I hope you get what I mean).
And while on this occasion, I can see where pretty_p is coming from by saying nobody knows how they would act in a situation until they are in it, to disregard a mother's opinion in a situation like this is as 'ridiculous' is (again) showing her ignorance. But my brows are not raised as I expect nothing less.
I have admired the way they have taken on gritty storylines in the past, and after thinking about it, with this one I believe they did do their homework, they wouldn't have gone into this blindly. I just think they've gone too far. I still think by doing the baby swap thing it's taken away the cot death storyline as a solus situation and the grief associated with that (even though the two are linked but I hope you get what I mean).
And while on this occasion, I can see where pretty_p is coming from by saying nobody knows how they would act in a situation until they are in it, to disregard a mother's opinion in a situation like this is as 'ridiculous' is (again) showing her ignorance. But my brows are not raised as I expect nothing less.
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I find this storyline unbelievable
But surely most of the storylines of soaps are unbelievable/far-fetched/exaggerated to some degree or other
....Is that the key to why so many people are complaining about this, that there's some sort of expectation that when soaps cover sensitive topics they should be better researched and more reflective of rl?
Hi soops 
etc.
Maybe the writers should have stuck to everyday stories like my favourite soap, Corrie.
Gas leak in nightclub causes partial demolition of viaduct, tram crashes into buildings resulting in deaths, whilst man murders stalker in hammer attack, and barmaid steals money to repurchase child. Happens all the time! TBF we found it unlikely that anyone would shag butt-ugly Nick though.
etc.
Maybe the writers should have stuck to everyday stories like my favourite soap, Corrie.
Gas leak in nightclub causes partial demolition of viaduct, tram crashes into buildings resulting in deaths, whilst man murders stalker in hammer attack, and barmaid steals money to repurchase child. Happens all the time! TBF we found it unlikely that anyone would shag butt-ugly Nick though.quote:I have admired the way they have taken on gritty storylines in the past, and after thinking about it, with this one I believe they did do their homework, they wouldn't have gone into this blindly. I just think they've gone too far. I still think by doing the baby swap thing it's taken away the cot death storyline as a solus situation and the grief associated with that (even though the two are linked but I hope you get what I mean).
I agree with that Karma... and I see what Cags says about Ronnie's character, and maybe its just cos I've never taken to her as a character, I find Sam Womack to be really wooden... I know Ronnie is supposed to be detached and cold etc, but I think its partly just poor acting
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Maybe the writers should have stuck to everyday stories like my favourite soap, Corrie.......TBF we found it unlikely that anyone would shag butt-ugly Nick though.
LOLquote:TBF we found it unlikely that anyone would shag butt-ugly Nick though.
same with Ian Beale
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I still think by doing the baby swap thing it's taken away the cot death storyline as a solus situation and the grief associated with that
Ah, I understand a bit better now why some people are unhappy about it Karma, kinda do one or the other of the storylines but not both together?
I think they could have done one or the other really well Super.... the scenes with Kat and Alfie grieving for Tommy have been so moving and brilliantly acted.
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by saying nobody knows how they would act in a situation until they are in it, to disregard a mother's opinion in a situation like this is as 'ridiculous'
We often can't predict how we would react in times of extreme trauma and grief. We know what we think we would do, then the unspeakable and unbearable happens and we sometimes surprise ourselves and others by behaving completely differently to that which we would have expectedReference:
A desperate, abused woman clinging onto the NEED to be a mother
I've just been reading this research ref the profile, motivation and modus operandi of baby abductors......seems to me that the storyline isn't a million miles away from what could happen in rl?Reference:
We often can't predict how we would react in times of extreme trauma and grief. We know what we think we would do, then the unspeakable and unbearable happens and we sometimes surprise ourselves and others by behaving completely differently to that which we would have expected
Oh absolutely, been in a situation like that myself in the past. But I just think to pass off opinions in discussions like these as 'ridiculous' is flippant and immature, especially from someone who doesn't have children.
The East Enders storyline and the complaints to the BBC were discussed on Any Questions on Radio 4 last night.
To summarise, Matthew Paris said it was a damned good storyline, and he had no problems about it. It may offend some but it will also grip. He said once you go down the road of thinking you may upset a listener of viewer, so you don't do it, you will miss so much good drama.
H gave, as an example Long John Silver. "It may have been mocking the afflicted, but he made a damn good pirate."
Michael Portillo took a similar stance pointing out that 6,000 is a tiny proportion of people who view the programme. He also pointed out how easy it is in thie technological age to generate 6,000 complaints.
He said that road crashes, attacks, rapes, murder are very sensitive issues, yet they are dealt with by TV and radio every day.
An organisation called Mumsnet instigated many of these complaints and Michael Portillo said: "A particular group of people is claiming a particular level of sensitivity to be set apart from the sensitivity felt by any other group of people who have also felt tragedy - and I don't think that is justified."
Both Matthew Paris and Michael Portillo were quite strong and definite in their defense of the right for sensitive matters to be dealt with in a dramatic form.
Meanwhile Vivienne Westwood, who was also on the programme staggeringly ummed and urred her way through and was extremely bad. I doubt she will return to the panel.
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I've just been reading this research ref the profile, motivation and modus operandi of baby abductors......seems to me that the storyline isn't a million miles away from what could happen in rl?
Just read it - interesting. I think most people are objecting, because they feel it is saying that any mother who experiences the death of a baby could act like this, but, as I said in an earlier post, considering what Ronnie has been through, I do feel that she could fit the profile.
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But I just think to pass off opinions in discussions like these as 'ridiculous' is flippant and immature, especially from someone who doesn't have children.
I think to pass off another's opinion as 'ridiculous' is at best rude and disrespectful, irrespective of the subject matter or parental status !Reference:
they feel it is saying that any mother who experiences the death of a baby could act like this,
Ah right, hadn't realised that was what some people thought was being implied.....I hadn't taken that from what I'd seen at all..... like you say this isn't 'any woman' it's Ronnie!
Maybe they should have chosen a different character for it to happen to.
EastEnders bosses have agreed to meet with bereaved mothers to discuss the soap's controversial baby swap storyline.
The plot has attracted around 8,400 viewer complaints after Ronnie Branning (Samantha Womack) switched her dead son with Kat Moon's (Jessie Wallace) healthy newborn child.
Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts wrote to the BBC to request a meeting. She told The Telegraph: "The mums who attend this meeting will probably be people who have suffered bereavement. They're the ones who know how inaccurate this storyline is. Mumsnet is just the mouthpiece for mums on our site who have suffered that tragedy."
Producers are now planning to end the storyline sooner than originally intended with a "warm and tender" conclusion.
Maybe they should have spoke with this group prior to writing the storyline
The plot has attracted around 8,400 viewer complaints after Ronnie Branning (Samantha Womack) switched her dead son with Kat Moon's (Jessie Wallace) healthy newborn child.
Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts wrote to the BBC to request a meeting. She told The Telegraph: "The mums who attend this meeting will probably be people who have suffered bereavement. They're the ones who know how inaccurate this storyline is. Mumsnet is just the mouthpiece for mums on our site who have suffered that tragedy."
Producers are now planning to end the storyline sooner than originally intended with a "warm and tender" conclusion.
Maybe they should have spoke with this group prior to writing the storyline
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Maybe they should have spoke with this group prior to writing the storyline
I came across mumsnet for the first time just a week or so ago , when I googled Joanna Yeates, I read some of the posts and thought there were some right internet loons on there!
must go and google
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I read some of the posts and thought there were some right internet loons on there!
Maybe I should join! 
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Maybe I should join!
.....They certainly like a scrap Blizz
You cross Mumsnet and you sleep with the fishes! 
The whole business of the 8,000 complaints (so far) just reminds me of the Jonathan Ross/ Russell Brand situation. People who never listened at the time, jumped on the bandwagon to complain.
The storyline is very, very sad. I sobbed along with Kat when she realised her son was dead. I sympatsised with Ronnie, especially as she has gone through so much.
When Ronnie entered the Vic, she wasn't thinking that she would just swap the babies. She was in shock and looking for help, and then she heard the cries of the other baby. It wasn't like she went looking for a baby to swap with hers.
The storyline is very, very sad. I sobbed along with Kat when she realised her son was dead. I sympatsised with Ronnie, especially as she has gone through so much.
When Ronnie entered the Vic, she wasn't thinking that she would just swap the babies. She was in shock and looking for help, and then she heard the cries of the other baby. It wasn't like she went looking for a baby to swap with hers.
I'm going to swap a few family members next week, just hope nobody will notice!
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The mums who attend this meeting will probably be people who have suffered bereavement. They're the ones who know how inaccurate this storyline is
How can anyone say the storyline is inaccurate? That's like saying it's NEVER happened EVER and it's NOT possible.