what?

Smell the fear.

Far be it from me to make a rush judgement but he might be right.  She was dissing Caoimhe before she went in at all.  (I agree with her that Caoimhe is ignorant by the way)
Successful business women??  Why is she doing Big Brother?

Its not that I care about, but if JJ does anything, there are ten threads on here about it but if Ben does it it's 'funny' that's what annoys me.

RiverRock ,I like Ben but I have a thread up saying I hate the fact that he is just bitching about the new hm, rather than getting to know them over at least the next few days

What ?....Are you actually starting to believe your own hype?....When and if Ben targets weaker Hm's and bullies them,yes bullies,come back then and get on the high horse...Threads that have bog all to do with Ben the apologists drag him in to try and excuse the antics of their chosen  HM....Ben's not perfect,anything but,in the grand scheme of things misogynistic bully JJ is leagues ahead in the unpalatable stakes.

Oh, he's having a right bitch, alright!

Maybe, because he's a right bitch!

 When he's wrong he's wrong Blizzie but canonising him by proxy is too much,funny thing is it's his detractors who have done the honours.

Hmmn the "residents" are all feeling a bit insecure etc.They know that the newbies have been watching them all for a month and will have firm opinions on them,human nature. etc.

She said something about his hair,wrong move 

They all are....ALL OF THEM, get over it.

He might bitch as good as the rest of them, but sadly he can't stick the knief in like the rest can.

Who said Ben was a Saint?
They all bitch in that house, including Ben, and it's the norm for original HMs to have a bitch about the newbies. It's probably because they feel a bit threatened by the knowledge the newbies have about them and the outside world.

he's no saint but hes a bloody good housemate

I think that just about sums it up Shizzle

Shizzle!

lol

gotta love Ben

Exactly!! ... sod the boring ones .... we need people who entertain

Ben always makes me laugh

I like Ben and JJ. If Ben was bitching Im sure it was funny rather than mean bitching like Keva does.

However I get what the OP is saying that Ben fans( and JJ detractors imo) are unbalanced and too vehement in their views. 

And we hear why he referred to her as that...LF they're discussing how she went straight up to him and said you need a haircut.....Barbie Boy dissing her for it which is a bit hypocritical of him mind given he has mocked him about his hair.

That's harsh....I find it highly irritating  when Ben is dragged into every thread where anyone posts negative comments about other HM's,there are complaints about so many Ben threads yet his detractors drag him into most which are not about him...I'm a perfectly balanced person ty ,I may be vehement about some things especially bullies which imo is exactly what JJ is,a bully and a misogynistic one to boot.

Not very welcoming of Ben but he wasn`t bitching, he was grumbling.

Wow spider how much of context do you want take that quote?  Or did you really read it like that?

Scotty now purlease it's Ben here so off course he must be guilty....Others can sit for hours each day  and engage in absolute character assassination but that's fine,it's their victims fault don't you know.

Well, if it's true that she basically waltzed in and told him he needed a haircut, is it surprising that he wasn't particularly welcoming?

I haven't seen any of this by the way, so I have no real idea.

Lee it was hilarious, really made me laugh.

What can I say except it was late, I refuse to say a senior moment.

None of the HMs would be human if they didn't view the newbies with suspicion and have a good old whinge about them. They are a threat to everyone in that house. The difference is between bitching and grumbling..and some of them are much better at bitching than others...Ben is useless at it, Caiomhe is the queen

It did sound like she was asking for a reaction, but his bitching about Andrew was really uncalled for.

You say thats harsh and then you go on to say really harsh stuff about JJ.Ben does bitch and yet hes funny with it.JJ has anger issues but I dont beieve hes a bully or a misogynist.....hes sound deep down.

He called her The Anti-Christ this morning in the bathroom.

Anger issues is correct but he targets certain HM's to be on the receiving end of it which means he can control it....By targeting who he perceives as weaker,Rachel,Sunshine,Ben and now  Corin that deems him a bully....He tried it with Josie too and ended up crying in the closet,funny he hasn't tried again with her.

Lee and Fluffy...you didn`t get my drift.
Anyhoo, I agree with Blizzie. His biatching about Andrew was totally uncalled for.
Ben`s witty and funny but after last night I`m not finding him funny anymore.
He`s 2 faced.

Nice.

I didn't watch LF last night, was he really that bad?

*Looks at Mr L* Well he's darn well wrong there.

it's not just ben that gets dragged into every thread, the same thing happened with shabs.