I always wonder what the attacker, in these sort of cases, is in for.
And let's not forget that some people who are attacked in prison, in similar circumstances, have later been found innocent.
Angela Cannings and Sally Clarke being two examples.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...andnum=1151003209000
"Angela, like Sally, has suffered in prison. Within 24 hours of arriving in jail, Sally was attacked by another prisoner, who smashed a cup into her face, leaving her with two black eyes. Angela has scars from the hot coffee thrown over her two days after she arrived at Bullwood Hall."
Marcus.....your post is too long to quote....but although you make good points....in this man's case.....I couldn't care less. He behaved like an animal of the lowest order, may he be forever treated as one
Blizz...........I'm not condoning it either, but the 'system' just doesn't work, in my opinion.
Agree with Kaytee.
This man purposely chose a minor, a toddler, and, along with others, continued in the constant abuse on this child. His acts were pre-meditated, and IMO had he only been involved the once (which is still bad enough) - but had then thought 'no way, will not be involved in this' and had tried to take appropriate action to stop it, then my view would be different. But he didn't. He lived day in day out seeing the pain the child was in and turned a blind eye.
And for that reason I hope he burns in hell, but not before he has been tortured both mentally and physcially to the end of his natural dying day.
This man purposely chose a minor, a toddler, and, along with others, continued in the constant abuse on this child. His acts were pre-meditated, and IMO had he only been involved the once (which is still bad enough) - but had then thought 'no way, will not be involved in this' and had tried to take appropriate action to stop it, then my view would be different. But he didn't. He lived day in day out seeing the pain the child was in and turned a blind eye.
And for that reason I hope he burns in hell, but not before he has been tortured both mentally and physcially to the end of his natural dying day.
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And for that reason I hope he burns in hell, but not before he has been tortured both mentally and physcially to the end of his natural dying day.
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marcus offline 90 Forum Posts Today at 15:07 (Edited: ) Reference: I see we are all in agreement that this pice of scum deserved everything he got You are wrong. He was, is and always will be human. We can't forget that. He is human in that he deserves to be dealt with with justice, not by caveman primitives baying for blood. He is a human in that he is the same species as us. A reminder that we are all capable of horrific acts. One of the fundamental things that elevates us as a species is the sense and application of justice, rather than bestial revenge. That is what people here are allowing themselves to be corrupted by. He causes a horrific act and is condemned for it. He is then a victim of a horrific act and people are happy, cheering, baying for blood. Where is the sense? Two wrongs do not make a right. We like to think of ourselves as enlightened, as intelligent and yet there are still a large proportion of us who would deny a person a second chance. Who would gladly support and watch people being tortured, killed, and raped. People who think that revenge = justice. People who are so emotionally affected by everything, that they allow those emotions to rule them, rather than applying logic and reason.
Out of all that the operative word is JUSTICE.IN THIS COUNTRY WE HAVE COURTS BUT JUSTICE IS NOT SEEN TO BE DONE.
I feel the prisoners themselves seem to know what justice for such a crime is.
They know that boastful blaggard was thinking himself above the law although he was inside.For what that dear little 18month baby suffered.Go for it guys.
I'm sorry but he is not human he tortured and killed Peter he raped a two-year-old girl, tortured his own grandmother and these are the only things he's been caught for, what else did he do through his life?
If he was a dog they'd be reaching for the needle but thats too good for him, let him suffer like poor little Peter did....
If he was a dog they'd be reaching for the needle but thats too good for him, let him suffer like poor little Peter did....
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he raped a two-year-old girl, tortured his own grandmother
Bloody hell didn't know about that aswell 
Have no pity for these bastards, or rapists, or any person who purposely goes out to destroy the lives of innocent people, and wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. (Probably be me who set light to them in the first place.)
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Bloody hell didn't know about that aswell
I know its the Mail but all papers ran it....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...d-Steven-Barker.html
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I'm sorry but he is not human he tortured and killed Peter he raped a two-year-old girl,
I've read the court transcript's of everything that monster did, He sodomized the 2 year little girl. I became quite obsessed with everything about the C**t.
I read that a while back the man is pure evil and I'm sure he's had all the psychotherapy going.What good did it do?More good was done by the prisoners than all that bunkum.
Just read that article. Jesus.H.Christ.
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I've read the court transcript's of everything that monster did, He sodomized the 2 year little girl. I became quite obsessed with everything about the C**t.
He's lower than low and it angers me that not every one gets angered by it, I don't believe in the death penalty cos its too good and quick for the likes of that low life scum, I hope they never get out but if they do I hope they get their just deserts....
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He's lower than low and it angers me that not every one gets angered by it,
Doesn't everyone get angered by it?Unless you are brutalised from childhood, maybe, and see this as normal?
I don't care if it's just.
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I always wonder what the attacker, in these sort of cases, is in for.
I have no doubt, due to his crime, Steven Barker would have been segregated. Therefore his attacker must have been too.Reference:
Doesn't everyone get angered by it?
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He sodomized the 2 year little girl.
And what did his scummy girlfriend say when he'd done the deed to the tiny child, while she was on the computer chatting to whoever, " Don't do that again"Reference: stonks
I suppose I was angered by people calling him human Blizz cos in my eyes they are'nt....
But humans have done the most appalling things, throughout human history. We are animals, too, of course.It is horrifying what he did and I hope he is never released, but looking at his background, IQ of 60, bullied and beaten by his brother, torturing animals, as a child, it's hard to imagine him growing up well balanced and feeling empathy for anyone else.
And there are kids growing up in these brutal households who will go on to do the same. Those two brothers convicted recently spring to mind.
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And what did his scummy girlfriend say when he'd done the deed to the tiny child, while she was on the computer chatting to whoever, " Don't do that again"
Don't get me started on that piece of filth, I hope she gets her's how could any mother listen to her baby crying and do nothing....Reference:
But humans have done the most appalling things, throughout human history. We are animals, too, of course. It is horrifying what he did and I hope he is never released, but looking at his background, IQ of 60, bullied and beaten by his brother, torturing animals, as a child, it's hard to imagine him growing up well balanced and feeling empathy for anyone else. And there are kids growing up in these brutal households who will go on to do the same. Those two brothers convicted recently spring to mind.
And for this one there's hundreds brought up exactly the same who don't thank god....
Blizz I see the point you are trying to make and it boils down to our Social Services, Education system and GP's. Someone outside of the family must have noticed this man wasn't 'normal' as a child. Why didn't they step in and try to prevent it? Good question. But then maybe he didn't seem as affected as we maybe think he would have done. Maybe he just seemed like a tearaway who managed to keep his family life secret, so nobody really knew the full circumstances or what he would be capable of in his adult life.
And then you get the cases of these 'angel' children who turn into these monsters. So is there a pattern? I really dont know. I just cant comprehend how anyone can think this behaviour is acceptable and see it happen and turn a blind eye, or worse, participate.
Rehabilitation is worthwhile for some, and some do turn their life around, after understanding their actions were wrong and feeling full, genuine remorse. But not for these bastards. Not for child abusers or rapists. I will never agree that they deserve to be given the opportunity of rehabilitation and am quite happy for my tax money to go towards keeping them locked away for many, many years.
And then you get the cases of these 'angel' children who turn into these monsters. So is there a pattern? I really dont know. I just cant comprehend how anyone can think this behaviour is acceptable and see it happen and turn a blind eye, or worse, participate.
Rehabilitation is worthwhile for some, and some do turn their life around, after understanding their actions were wrong and feeling full, genuine remorse. But not for these bastards. Not for child abusers or rapists. I will never agree that they deserve to be given the opportunity of rehabilitation and am quite happy for my tax money to go towards keeping them locked away for many, many years.
My childhood consisted of a father who was a drunkerd, wife beating gambler, he never laid a finger on me. My Mum was 4ft 10" who took a size 2 shoe, she would never have in a million years even contempleted anyone hurting one of her children, she was a Lioness.
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Rehabilitation is worthwhile for some, and some do turn their life around, after understanding their actions were wrong and feeling full, genuine remorse. But not for these bastards. Not for child abusers or rapists. I will never agree that they deserve to be given the opportunity of rehabilitation and am quite happy for my tax money to go towards keeping them locked away for many, many years.
Absolutely agree. 
I just hate the thought of some other sadist getting their kicks from metering out 'justice' in prison.
Especially with the prison staffs' blessing.
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My childhood consisted of a father who was a drunkerd, wife beating gambler, he never laid a finger on me. My Mum was 4ft 10" who took a size 2 shoe, she would never have in a million years even contempleted anyone hurting one of her children, she was a Lioness.
Aww Essie....
and thats how mothers should be every time I see that womans fat gob I want to punch it in....
Essie.
The thing we have to remember here is the sob story of his childhood was orchistrated by his defence team to get a lighter sentence, if his life was so bad why did'nt he commit these heinous crimes earlier or is he guilty to a greater degree?..
Essie
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The thing we have to remember here is the sob story of his childhood was orchistrated by his defence team to get a lighter sentence, if his life was so bad why did'nt he commit these heinous crimes earlier or is he guilty to a greater degree?..
The stuff I read was from his sister. Basically she was saying that the brother, Jason Owen, was actually the worst one growing up.They had both been arrested for torturing their grandmother, at ages 18 and 20, but charges were dropped when she died.
Essie xx
To figure out how to evade capture on such a grand scale of changing name and applying for a new passport takes more than an IQ of 60 and it took 6yrs for the grandmother to die after her torture, I think the case had been dropped..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...cknamed-Fat-Boy.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...cknamed-Fat-Boy.html
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I get so upset about it, I loved my Dad, he loved me. My Mum slept in my bed from when I was about 10 , she thought I could protect her, one night he came home drunk and hit her over the head with a hammer, all I could see was her beautiful blond hair matted with blood, I got married years later and begged her to move in with us, she loved him and refused. But she would never have let me or my brother be hurt.Reference:
I get so upset about it, I loved my Dad, he loved me. My Mum slept in my bed from when I was about 10 , she thought I could protect her, one night he came home drunk and hit her over the head with a hammer, all I could see was her beautiful blond hair matted with blood, I got married years later and begged her to move in with us, she loved him and refused. But she would never have let me or my brother be hurt.
Aww Essie I suppose in you mums mind the good times out weighed the bad or she felt your dad might have been too weak without her or something deeper....
It was Steven Barker who was meant to have an IQ of 60, stonks, and Jason Owen had changed his name previously, but was trying to change it again, when they were caught. The Grandmother was attacked in the mid 1990s and they were charged, but it was dropped when she died in jan 1996.
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My Mum slept in my bed from when I was about 10 , she thought I could protect her, one night he came home drunk and hit her over the head with a hammer, all I could see was her beautiful blond hair matted with blood
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I get so upset about it
Never leaves you does it
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Oh Christ. Essie xxx
That's only the half of it Karma.
Essie, if ever you want to talk, please get in touch. Been there myself, know how it is xx
