the man is nearly at deaths door I think he should be released now

Is he on the cover of OK? Cos I've been told not to buy it this week.

When you think of the rapists and murderers who have been released to attack again, I really dont see what purpose it serves to keep him locked up.

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Originally posted by captain marbles:
Is he on the cover of OK? Cos I've been told not to buy it this week.

no he is nearly at neverland though

People have done a lot worse than him and been released after 2yrs!!

I doubt he's a menace to society now, he's hardly likely to be mounting some big heist is he?

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Originally posted by captain marbles:
Is he on the cover of OK? Cos I've been told not to buy it this week.

It's a hard one. On the one hand, the parole board have recommended he should be released and he is now a very frail old man with not much time left. On the other hand, someone died as a result of the crime he was involved in and he evaded justice for years.

Stuff him...let him rot there....or she we start letting off all sorts of people just cos they evaded capture for a long time and got old.

The only reason he came back over here was to avail himself of the free healthcare.

I wish that the powers were as stringent with other criminals. I don't mind them keeping him in until he dies but I wish that they would do the same with certain other criminals whom I would not dare name TBH.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
I wish that the powers were as stringent with other criminals. I don't mind them keeping him in until he dies but I wish that they would do the same with certain other criminals whom I would not dare name TBH.

dont tease

It does seem as though the justice system is a bit screwed up. As far as I am aware, Biggs has done no other crimes since he escaped. What is the point of keeping him in? Surely it would save the taxpayers a few quid if he were released.

I don't understand it. That Mandolf bloke got 150 years for conning several people out of billions, and murderers are given a lot less time.

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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:
It's a hard one. On the one hand, the parole board have recommended he should be released and he is now a very frail old man with not much time left. On the other hand, someone died as a result of the crime he was involved in and he evaded justice for years.

Nobody died as a result of the train robbery he died years later of something else.Train driver

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
I wish that the powers were as stringent with other criminals. I don't mind them keeping him in until he dies but I wish that they would do the same with certain other criminals whom I would not dare name TBH.

dont tease

There are criminals in this country who have more power than the system. I even remember the NOTW not following up with a promised article.

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
It does seem as though the justice system is a bit screwed up. As far as I am aware, Biggs has done no other crimes since he escaped. What is the point of keeping him in? Surely it would save the taxpayers a few quid if he were released.

I don't understand it. That Mandolf bloke got 150 years for conning several people out of billions, and murderers are given a lot less time.

That's beside the point....if he wanted to have been out and free by now he should have stayed in prison where he was originally and he'd have been out a long time ago....instead he decided to live it up in Brazil for 30 years!

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
It does seem as though the justice system is a bit screwed up. As far as I am aware, Biggs has done no other crimes since he escaped. What is the point of keeping him in? Surely it would save the taxpayers a few quid if he were released.

I don't understand it. That Mandolf bloke got 150 years for conning several people out of billions, and murderers are given a lot less time.

This confuses me a lot: armed robbers get more than Rapists murderers peodophiles: So basically money is more important than life and individual sufferings

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
It does seem as though the justice system is a bit screwed up. As far as I am aware, Biggs has done no other crimes since he escaped. What is the point of keeping him in? Surely it would save the taxpayers a few quid if he were released.

I don't understand it. That Mandolf bloke got 150 years for conning several people out of billions, and murderers are given a lot less time.

It's a different system. Murderers are quite likely to be executed in the US. Assuming that they have pigmentation and no money.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
I wish that the powers were as stringent with other criminals. I don't mind them keeping him in until he dies but I wish that they would do the same with certain other criminals whom I would not dare name TBH.

dont tease

There are criminals in this country who have more power than the system. I even remember the NOTW not following up with a promised article.

thats interesting

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
It does seem as though the justice system is a bit screwed up. As far as I am aware, Biggs has done no other crimes since he escaped. What is the point of keeping him in? Surely it would save the taxpayers a few quid if he were released.

I don't understand it. That Mandolf bloke got 150 years for conning several people out of billions, and murderers are given a lot less time.

It's a different system. Murderers are quite likely to be executed in the US. Assuming that they have pigmentation and no money.

Good point.

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Originally posted by longcat:

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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:
It's a hard one. On the one hand, the parole board have recommended he should be released and he is now a very frail old man with not much time left. On the other hand, someone died as a result of the crime he was involved in and he evaded justice for years.

Nobody died as a result of the train robbery he died years later of something else.Train driver

Sorry, you're quite right, I thought it was determined that his injuries were a contributing factor to his early death, but they weren't. Though he did suffer poor health for the rest of his life which was attributed to the trauma of his experience.

The only reason the train robbers got such high sentences was because they made a fool of the police and the government.

I dunno how you "never fully recover" from a black eye mind

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
the man is nearly at deaths door I think he should be released now

Me too.

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Originally posted by longcat:
The only reason the train robbers got such high sentences was because they made a fool of the police and the government.

That's true!!

I think that those of us who have been victims of crime have a reasonable insight into what the poor guy went through.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
I think that those of us who have been victims of crime have a reasonable insight into what the poor guy went through.

Never fully recovered from the trauma may have been better wording than "injuries."

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Originally posted by electric6:
I dunno how you "never fully recover" from a black eye mind

When I was 11 I was standing in the dinner queue at school when two lads started a fight. One threw a punch and the other ducked and I got punched in the face into a brick wall. I woke up with a black eye and facial bruising. A week after the event I started having severe migraines and ended up having all sorts of scans and assessments for brain injury. I still get the migraines to this day. I would say that was down to injury not trauma.

Why is he unrepentant though? Why doesn't he just say he's sorry?

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Originally posted by fabienne:
Why is he unrepentant though? Why doesn't he just say he's sorry?

according to hi solicitor he did a few weeks ago

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by fabienne:
Why is he unrepentant though? Why doesn't he just say he's sorry?

according to hi solicitor he did a few weeks ago

Oh, that's good. So that can't be the reason why he's been refused parole then.

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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:

When I was 11 I was standing in the dinner queue at school when two lads started a fight. One threw a punch and the other ducked and I got punched in the face into a brick wall. I woke up with a black eye and facial bruising. A week after the event I started having severe migraines and ended up having all sorts of scans and assessments for brain injury. I still get the migraines to this day. I would say that was down to injury not trauma.

Oooh sorry to hear that. I don't wanna derail the thread... I would presume that you did suffer some extra damage though? A black eye is just bruising after all...I've had loads with no lasting bother.

Any case, I'll leave it there, I wasn't casting aspersions on the fella...just Wiki's content/editing process.

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:

When I was 11 I was standing in the dinner queue at school when two lads started a fight. One threw a punch and the other ducked and I got punched in the face into a brick wall. I woke up with a black eye and facial bruising. A week after the event I started having severe migraines and ended up having all sorts of scans and assessments for brain injury. I still get the migraines to this day. I would say that was down to injury not trauma.

Oooh sorry to hear that. I don't wanna derail the thread... I would presume that you did suffer some extra damage though? A black eye is just bruising after all...I've had loads with no lasting bother.

Any case, I'll leave it there, I wasn't casting aspersions on the fella...just Wiki's content/editing process.

I know you didn't mean anything by it, I just wanted to point out that it's difficult to tell with head injuries. The bloke was coshed over the head with a lead pipe or something, you don't know what got knocked about in there. They didn't find any major damage with me but it was supposed that something had been dislodged, I can't remember the technicalities, it was soo long ago, but it's always struck me (no pun intended) that the same thing probably happened to the victim, it's just that they didn't have brain scans in his day so they wouldn't have been able to properly diagnose the injury.

I think it is more a question of sour grapes as to why he is not being released.

All those years he escaped justice and stuck his two fingers up at authority. This is their payback time.

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
I don't understand it. That Mandolf bloke got 150 years for conning several people out of billions, and murderers are given a lot less time.

Murderers have an enormous impact locally but a much smaller impact on society as a whole provided they are rare. I think crimes like Madoff's are treated so harshly because if they were not then there would be huge temptation for powerful people in the financial systems to try it. If confidence in the financial system collapses then we all suffer significantly. As we have all seen since summer 2007.

When you see the sentences that some people get for much worse crimes these days. Then Biggs' original sentence was excessive.
OK he escaped, but no matter that the guard was hit,nobody died

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Originally posted by Kaytee:
When you see the sentences that some people get for much worse crimes these days. Then Biggs' original sentence was excessive.
OK he escaped, but no matter that the guard was hit,nobody died

The guard died a few years later, which was said to be because of being hit over the head during the raid.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Kaytee:
When you see the sentences that some people get for much worse crimes these days. Then Biggs' original sentence was excessive.
OK he escaped, but no matter that the guard was hit,nobody died

The guard died a few years later, which was said to be because of being hit over the head during the raid.

Can we really know that LL? If so, then Biggs deseves to finish his sentence

I blame his surname.

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Originally posted by Kaytee:

Can we really know that LL? If so, then Biggs deseves to finish his sentence

I don't know Kaytee, I just know that is what has always been said

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Kaytee:
When you see the sentences that some people get for much worse crimes these days. Then Biggs' original sentence was excessive.
OK he escaped, but no matter that the guard was hit,nobody died

The guard died a few years later, which was said to be because of being hit over the head during the raid.

Except a link was posted in this thread that said it was Leukaemia.
Facts shmacts.