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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by Videostar:

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:
so.... now let me see if I have this right,"WE" HAVE DECIDED, people who DONT like Fred, dont like him because they are judging him on his accent the way he looks his politics and his background? right so far?
on the other hand, lisa, is "working class" (except she aint worked ever) according to some folk here, she only gets "giros" from people like fred,...she is a "chav" or is trying to get the support of the "chavs",
SO "we" are all in agreement then? WE have JUDGED lisa on her looks "class" and bacground and made a few "guesses"
and decided that SHE has committed the heinous crime of judging someone on their looks background and "class" and a few "rumours"

well done everyone
oh and by the way I cant stand Lisa and I aint exactly a fan of fred either

Well TBF no one said that, but it seems to me from the opening night booing of him for no reason that there is some kind of snobbery there against posh people.

The booes for some of the other HM's were more justified because they tried to get that reaction by being shocking in their VT's.

Freddie (in my opinion) has done nothing to get the other HM's against him, he's a little different but nothng to warrent that kind of attack from Lisa.

I dont disslike fred because of his class or his politics or his accent or his education even though (if I am honest, and I am trying to be) it WAS my initial reaction, in fact I dont disslike him at ALL, I just dont think he is a very good hm, but I feel NO ill will towards him at all, he makes me laugh quite often and there are many more in there who I would like to see out before him,
but I just LOVE the way people assume that if you dont want to have his babies its because you are a "chav" or a "leftie" who are only against him for the things I mentioned earlier, double standards or what?
and re read the thread that is EXACTLY what people are saying,

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
I do not judge anyone on their background what they have or have not got ,I judge on the persons behaviour I like Freddy but not a massive fan as I find him boring ,Lisa is constantly picking on him and I dont like her ,dont care if they have millions or claiming on the dole it is all down to behaviour

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Originally posted by cup:
yeah nail on head


you know i feel sorry for him he has no real friend in there

he tries

That's what I hate to see, he tries so hard with all of them and he's really done nothing wrong but none of them seem to make the effort with him. Angel and perhaps Siavash and Rodders are the only ones that even bother.

And I hate the snide little remarks they make as well. Like earlier one when Sophie was asking Angel who she fancied, someone said Freddie and Sophie immediately saif "Of course not!". Eurgh.

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Originally posted by Mentalist:
against Freddie, what do you all think?

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Originally posted by Scotty:
Absolutely!
She doesn`t want to learn about or mix with any other "class" She`s stuck in a rut. She abhores people who have eduction and or wealth,no matter how nice they may be. She`ll ignore their point of view and pick at them. Freddie is her target. His like are her enemy.
She`s a fool.