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If you worked behind the scenes at let's say Big Brother or the X Factor and could see major aspects of the shows were completely fixed to the point people were wasting their money voting would you feel duty bound to inform the public?

Would you have an attack of conscience and run to the broadsheets to kickstart a shocking expose or would you just say sod the lot of them I'm not going to bite the hand that feeds me?

Someone needs to save our pathetic nation of deluded speed-dialling thickos from themselves. Are you that person?

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TBH, no!  Jobs are hard to come by these days.  I would run to the red tops if there was any money in doing so but if not, I'd stay quiet. Let's be honest, it's not the General Election nor is it likely to get anyone killed, and given the fixes and scams that have already been exposed on prime time BBC and ITV shows, only the gullible spend serious money on such things.
Carnelian
I think a single member of the team would fairly quickly be quoshed and quietened.
I mean, it's not as though it is something important like national security.
I think some of the press would like to use inside information but a single lone whistle-blower may not get very far.
I believe after the Jeremy Kyle show was described by a judge as "bear-baiting", an ex-member of the production team divulged inside secrets to the press, which seemed pretty damaging and showed the production team in a bad light. Yet the programme still runs.
But I would like a programme insider to reveal naughtiness and bad practice. I don't like being conned.
brisket
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Let's be honest, it's not the General Election nor is it likely to get anyone killed
It's still fraud on a national scale though, and it can't be denied C4 'fixed' public opinion with their edits of the HL shows and X Factor has already 'fixed' its final line-up before the damn thing even began. Just because it's not the biggest scandal in the universe doesn't mean they should be left unchallenged imo.
Prometheus
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It's still fraud on a national scale though, and it can't be denied C4 'fixed' public opinion with their edits of the HL shows and X Factor has already 'fixed' its final line-up before the damn thing even began. Just because it's not the biggest scandal in the universe doesn't mean they should be left unchallenged imo.
Sure Prom, but you asked for opinions and I'm giving you an honest human frailty opinion of what I'd do in the real world rather than bigging myself up as an upright moral crusader safe in the knowledge that I'm never going to be in that situation. 

Realistically, I wouldn't risk my job and livelihood over such trivial things. I know it makes me a lesser person but we've all got a living to make.  I've lied on behalf of my employers to customers before and I guess most of us have if we're honest - particularly managers to their juniors. 

If people want to throw their money at Simon Cowell and Endemol and their contrived shows that's up to them but given how many high profile cases there have been over fixes, I think they're gullible in doing so.
Carnelian
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Sure Prom, but you asked for opinions and I'm giving you an honest human frailty opinion of what I'd do in the real world rather than bigging myself up as an upright moral crusader safe in the knowledge that I'm never going to be in that situation.
I'm not bigging myself up - I have been in similar situations -not on such a large scale but I have had the courage of my convictions.

Doesn't make me the better person - its just how I am .
FM
There are only a handful of people who handle the voting side of things and I would imagine there is probably a confidentiality clause in theirs (and most of the production team's) contracts. Plus, if anyone did speak out and be named as opposed to being called a 'source', they'd probably trash their name in the media world anyway and would find it extremely difficult to get work again on a high profile production. Added to that - the pay can be extremely lucrative in some parts so would it be worth ruining your career and financial prospects?

I think at least 40% of the viewing public know or at least have an idea that some of it is not entirely left to the lap of the Gods. X Factor is a well oiled machine and one person screaming to the red tops is not gonna trash a 16million viewing average, and that's where the production company make their money.
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It's still fraud on a national scale though, and it can't be denied C4 'fixed' public opinion with their edits of the HL shows and X Factor has already 'fixed' its final line-up before the damn thing even began.
It is indeed fraud, but what is often forgotten is that it's not just about misleading the voting public (as if that wasn't bad enough): there's also the betting.
For years, it was an open secret that many Endemol employees considered Betfair to be their pension scheme, using their inside knowledge of voting predictions and/or editing to clean up. Remember all those times (especially in the last few years) where there would be a dramatic change in the betting odds on Friday?

The recent Pakistani cricket scandal was a huge story. Is there really that much difference here just because it's Reality TV?

(Oh, and before anyone makes a comment about not having sympathy for the bookies: the thing about Betfair is that it's a betting exchange - they were actually taking money from other gamblers...)
Eugene's Lair
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I'm not bigging myself up - I have been in similar situations -not on such a large scale but I have had the courage of my convictions. Doesn't make me the better person - its just how I am .
I never said you were, I'm giving my opinion of what I'd do rather than bigging myself up as people can tend (only tend) to do in such matters.  I'm not making a criticism of an individual reply, I have no doubt you would speak out in such a scenario, but I wouldn't.  I'd like to think I would but if I'm honest, I probably wouldn't.  I'm just being honest about what I'd do in that situation. 

I've spoken out before to my detriment on matters of injustice and inequality when I've felt justified but I doubt I would in this scenario.
Carnelian
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never said you were, I'm giving my opinion of what I'd do rather than bigging myself up as people can tend (only tend) to do in such matters.  I'm not making a criticism of an individual reply, I have no doubt you would speak out in such a scenario, but I wouldn't.  I'd like to think I would but if I'm honest, I probably wouldn't.  I'm just being honest about what I'd do in that situation.
Fair enough - I think that there are times to be quiet and times to speak out . I have kept quiet cou ntless times as well.
FM
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I reckon the likes of Facebook and Twitter have put all the voting on these reality shows unfairly out of the hands of the general public. It showed with some of the iffy evictions on the last BB, and look how FB fixed the outcome of last years Xmas No 1..
Sorry MMD, can't agree there at all.  Facebook didn't really fix the outcome of last year's Xmas no.1.  After all, Facebook is just a social network site.  People on Facebook used it as a medium to promote a product - just like Simon Cowell does with his ITV show and tabloid press stories.  Facebook in its own right has no influence over record sales and compiling record sales charts.
Carnelian
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Fair enough - I think that there are times to be quiet and times to speak out . I have kept quiet cou ntless times as well.
No worries Isadora, no offence taken.  I don't take these things too seriously.  My replies on here are usually intended in good humour even if they might read as a bit strident at times. 
Carnelian
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Sorry MMD, can't agree there at all. Facebook didn't really fix the outcome of last year's Xmas no.1. After all, Facebook is just a social network site. People on Facebook used it as a medium to promote a product - just like Simon Cowell does with his ITV show and tabloid press stories. Facebook in its own right has no influence over record sales and compiling record sales charts.
Rage Against the Machine support was set up on FB to stop Cowell getting his act to No1...
You need to get out more.
MMD
I would not like it but in all honesty I dont think I would kick up a fuss as said above if I bit off the hand that feeds me would I be cutting off my nose to spite my face,nobody in any job is indespensible and work is hard to come by, having said that if I worked in Hospital/Care Home and things were not as they should be a would not hesitate to blow the whistle.
Marguerita
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and look how FB fixed the outcome of last years Xmas No 1..
Facebook as a company didn't 'fix' anything It was used as a promotional platform in the same way as TV, radio and newspapers are, and it was the consumer who didn't want another guaranteed X factor Christmas number 1. I wouldn't have thought billionaire Facebook owner, Mark Zuckerberg could give 2 shites who was number 1 in the UK or the hype surrounding the million or so people who pushed the campaign considering his site has 500 million active users.
Karma_
Reference: Carnelian
Sorry MMD, can't agree there at all. Facebook didn't really fix the outcome of last year's Xmas no.1. After all, Facebook is just a social network site. People on Facebook used it as a medium to promote a product - just like Simon Cowell does with his ITV show and tabloid press stories. Facebook in its own right has no influence over record sales and compiling record sales charts.

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It was promoted on FB just as the X Factor winners song was all over the TV and radio, people still had to buy it. FB didn't do that! Maybe it's you who should get out more
Just saw these ^^^
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