MrD likes orange county best...
cos he likes to fantasise about hitting Vicky in the face with a heavy frying pan 
omg please give him the biggest and heaviest pan you can find. .and tell him to give Tamra and Alexis a bashing too when he's finished with Vicki
The new series of Jerseylicious starts on March 6th, I'm looking forward to that
Russel was always the odd one out in the group. He rarely went to the social occasions with Taylor and if he did he didn't join in with the convo's. The hw's didn't know whether to believe he was physically abusing Taylor or not because she would often deny it but they (and viewers) also saw her getting thinner than usual and on the edge of a breakdown. After he died she talked about the abuse. He tried to not leave marks that others could see so would often just push her head against the wall. One night he went much further and we were shown photos of where he hit her so hard in the face that the doctor who treated her in hospital said it was a miracle she wasn't blinded...very graphic photos of that particular injury that was hard to look at. Despite everything she loved him...as can happen with abused women with no self esteem. After his death it was discovered he had severe financial issues which Taylor hadn't known about. I think Taylor's been dropped from the next series.
awww that's sad... I think it was a good thing that this played out in this series (not for Taylor, or Russell.. obviously).. but in terms of THIS is how the victim of abuse can present... Abuse happens in every time of household (Poor, rich, educated etc... ) and you can come out the other side....
We followed Taylors story, it was a serious one... and I know it was heavily edited after Russells death,.... but as a viewer it made me look back and see the warning signs...
I wish Taylor every happiness for the future
MrD likes orange county best...
cos he likes to fantasise about hitting Vicky in the face with a heavy frying pan
omg please give him the biggest and heaviest pan you can find. .and tell him to give Tamra and Alexis a bashing too when he's finished with Vicki
hahahahahaha! Yeah.... he was gunning for Alexis earlier too! (watching the reunion show)...
Tamra isn't quite on his radar yet
I watched a couple of series of Big Rich Texas but didn't watch every episode. I never liked any of them either, and of the daughters Whitney was one spoilt, disrespectful and troublemaking brat, her tatooed and body pierced boyfriend came across as the most down to earth and genuine person on the show for me in the end.
Whitney is a 100% brat and if she was mine she would have been put out of the house long before now, I find it hard to believe that her mother (Bonnie) who is an intelligent woman let's her get away with that sort of behaviour. Yes I called Bonnie intelligent, the woman has 2 PhD's and is a professor at the University of Texas. She is definitely a reason for the saying 'don't judge a book by its cover'.
You know, tonight I was watching the reunion show ( Orange County) & I find it really difficult who I should believe? / who is real ?
I am sure Vicky's daughter, Brianna, is real ... & I had a feeling Gretchen was pretty genuine. I think Tamra is probably as fake as they come. Not sure about Alexis or Vicky, although I did think Vicky looked upset to have lost Tamra's friendship.
What do you people think ? Who is real & who is fake 
And would you trust Brook, Vicky's new fella ?
MrD likes orange county best...
cos he likes to fantasise about hitting Vicky in the face with a heavy frying pan
She already looks as if she has been hit in the face with a frying pan. Without the hair, that is one scary face 
lmfao
I watched a couple of series of Big Rich Texas but didn't watch every episode. I never liked any of them either, and of the daughters Whitney was one spoilt, disrespectful and troublemaking brat, her tatooed and body pierced boyfriend came across as the most down to earth and genuine person on the show for me in the end.
Whitney is a 100% brat and if she was mine she would have been put out of the house long before now, I find it hard to believe that her mother (Bonnie) who is an intelligent woman let's her get away with that sort of behaviour. Yes I called Bonnie intelligent, the woman has 2 PhD's and is a professor at the University of Texas. She is definitely a reason for the saying 'don't judge a book by its cover'.
I think she's the only one with any qualifications...the others seem to have spent their lives being involved in pageants or modelling. A pity Bonnie didn't take some classes in parenting then maybe her daughter wouldn't be so obnoxious and self indulged.
D. The irony is that because Taylor was abused as a child she ran a charity organisation to help abused women. I don't know if you saw it but on one of her fund raising events Russell was in the audience, while Taylor was making an emotional speech about abuse the camera switched to Russell, he sat there with a blank unemotional face as always. At that point in the series viewers didn't know if he was really abusing her or not so I wondered at the time if it was just coincidence the camera turned to him at that point. We learnt through her interview after his death that the Producers knew more than we did. Personally I think it's a shame she won't be in the next series as the other hw's now know the truth and would be supportive of her which would help with her self esteem of wishing to be accepted.
D. The irony is that because Taylor was abused as a child she ran a charity organisation to help abused women. I don't know if you saw it but on one of her fund raising events Russell was in the audience, while Taylor was making an emotional speech about abuse the camera switched to Russell, he sat there with a blank unemotional face as always. At that point in the series viewers didn't know if he was really abusing her or not so I wondered at the time if it was just coincidence the camera turned to him at that point. We learnt through her interview after his death that the Producers knew more than we did. Personally I think it's a shame she won't be in the next series as the other hw's now know the truth and would be supportive of her which would help with her self esteem of wishing to be accepted.
THIS!!!! I would love to have seen her grow & recover
You know, tonight I was watching the reunion show ( Orange County) & I find it really difficult who I should believe? / who is real ?
I am sure Vicky's daughter, Brianna, is real ... & I had a feeling Gretchen was pretty genuine. I think Tamra is probably as fake as they come. Not sure about Alexis or Vicky, although I did think Vicky looked upset to have lost Tamra's friendship.
What do you people think ? Who is real & who is fake
And would you trust Brook, Vicky's new fella ?
Brooks ---- Oh NO!!!! I think the others have him sussed totally right!! I can't believe Vicki can't see it.
Yep - I think Brianna is herself too (& did you notice the bloke hosting the reunion tonight, when thanking her said something to her about how she always made sense)..
I like Gretchen (for now) ... and I like Heather... the others... mad as a box of frogs in varying degrees.. top end = Vicki.. then Alexis... then Tamra...
YRose... so.. Taylor was abused as a child.. and so a prime victim for it in adulthood.
Gawd it makes me hate Russell even more.. dunno why I am surprised... that he found someone he knew he could bully.. with easy buttons to press.. but you have to be one hell of a git, with serious issues about yourself, to do it.
YRose... so.. Taylor was abused as a child.. and so a prime victim for it in adulthood.
Gawd it makes me hate Russell even more.. dunno why I am surprised... that he found someone he knew he could bully.. with easy buttons to press.. but you have to be one hell of a git, with serious issues about yourself, to do it.
"THIS!!!! I would love to have seen her grow & recover"
Me too, I'm hoping that through her charity work which she continues with it will help her to gain strength and belief in herself instead of the suppression, oppression and unnecessary and unfounded jealousy Russell showed her.
I've remembered now that she said Russell had an unhappy childhood, can't remember if it was verbal or physical abuse he experienced. One thing I never understand is why some who are abused early in life become abusers later in life...if you've experienced how much that hurts on many levels why make someone else suffer, and he knew of her childhood, why not treat her with respect and kindness instead of piling more abuse on her. I wish her well
I've remembered now that she said Russell had an unhappy childhood, can't remember if it was verbal or physical abuse he experienced. One thing I never understand is why some who are abused early in life become abusers later in life...if you've experienced how much that hurts on many levels why make someone else suffer, and he knew of her childhood, why not treat her with respect and kindness instead of piling more abuse on her. I wish her well
I think it is learned behaviour.. if they think that's how it always is and is normal family behaviour they perpetuate it..
I don;t like Taylor at all, I feel sorry that she was a victim of abuse but I get the sense she was a gold digger too.. not that that excuses Russells behaviour but I think she is a pretty shallow person .. and I think she stayed a bit longer than she should have, purely for financial reasons when she thought Russell actually had money... which she enjoyed spending like it grew on trees...
and she needs to sort her lips out too. . I mean who has fillers in an already mahoosive mouth.. 
YRose... so.. Taylor was abused as a child.. and so a prime victim for it in adulthood.
Gawd it makes me hate Russell even more.. dunno why I am surprised... that he found someone he knew he could bully.. with easy buttons to press.. but you have to be one hell of a git, with serious issues about yourself, to do it.
"THIS!!!! I would love to have seen her grow & recover"
Me too, I'm hoping that through her charity work which she continues with it will help her to gain strength and belief in herself instead of the suppression, oppression and unnecessary and unfounded jealousy Russell showed her.
I've remembered now that she said Russell had an unhappy childhood, can't remember if it was verbal or physical abuse he experienced. One thing I never understand is why some who are abused early in life become abusers later in life...if you've experienced how much that hurts on many levels why make someone else suffer, and he knew of her childhood, why not treat her with respect and kindness instead of piling more abuse on her. I wish her well
oh I hear ya... Whilst I know it to be true, I've always found the circle of abuse thing difficult to comprehend.
Given that Russell ultimately took his own life, rather than have the world see how he had behaved towards his wife, you have to assume that he despised himself and his actions... but was so screwed up he couldn't stop.
Poor Taylor!
Still... and I know this is a really harsh thing to say... but I can't help thinking that the best thing he ever did for his daughter was to remove himself so completely from her life. Not that I think this was his motivation for his suicide... suicide is rarely a selfless act. But Kennedy's chances of growing up in a stable & secure environment increased dramatically the moment Russell was no longer a part of her future. IMO (Obviously).
I thought Russell topped himself cos of the financial mess he was in... he came across as one of those guys that talked big in finance but was peddling like mad underneath juggling everything..
I thought Russell topped himself cos of the financial mess he was in... he came across as one of those guys that talked big in finance but was peddling like mad underneath juggling everything..
ooooooh!
bloody hell! to be more ashamed of a money mess... than being an abusive bully
yup.. bad eh?
Atlanta HW's starting next week. .saw the first season on Diva tv before it was axed. .they are really fighty ones.. I heard they came to blows on later reunion shows so was pee'd off that Diva tv had got canned. .maybe ITV will show more seasons. .Bio has the other fighty lot witht he New Jersey HW's 
I do miss my late afternoon Judge Judy's tho. .seems the HW have taken over that slot and JK too. . can Jk and give me Judge Judy back alongside the HW's
Oh the shame... My life is nowt but TV
worst thing about HW's is its sandwiched between episodes of JK and every now & then I end up having to watch 10 mins of it
JK is my waking up morning guilty viewing before This Morning.. most of the time I am fiddling on the PC and have the TV on as background. . if there's a new HW's I haven't seen I tape those to watch later when the box has my full concentration. . rest of the time tis white noise and 'people' in my home so I am not alone.. stops my brain going haywire in complete silence with nowt to stare at. .radio doesn't work for me cos it doesn't have piccies
it's also why I miss the old BB live feed.. was 'company' of sorts
Cinds my sense is Russell hated to fail and as he had financially and relationship wise I reckon the stress and depression got to him in the end. . he was so strained all the time when filmed... I can't condone suicide it's such a selfish act but it is usually done when the person feels they have no hope left at all..
the husband of a family member of mine committed suicide because their financial situation had got so bad as his business was suffering from the recession and everything was within a month of being repossessed. .he had even made sure he had a Life Policy that covered suicide... he had prepared letters with all the info for her about what to do with the income she would receive upon his death to ensure she and the kids would be in a better financial situation and have a roof over their heads, . he had researched the best way to cause the least stress to him and whoever found him altho I think he miscalculated cos instead of his wife finding him his 13 yr old got home from school early and she found him instead... so sad it had got to that and yet so selfish cos no matter how bad things got money and home wise, the family would rather have had him around with them to go thru it together than a paid for roof over their heads and a bit of a pension but no dad and husband around.. ..
Silence is evil. .tho I do turn it off at night cos I read and fall asleep that way. .noise would wake me up..
Olly you'll be pleased to know Big Rich Texas Trash is starting on ITV2 on a Sunday night.
Olly - the suicide case you talk about - that's about as unselfish as it can get. And yes, I agree that more often than not its a desperate desperate act by someone that simply cannot take anymore.
HOWEVER... sometimes, (& usually its by the man)... its done as that final way to hurt the ex.. to get back at them! The old "this will show them" "this will teach them" type thing. These are the ones where they take their kids & kill them as well (I used to live in terror of Pondlife doing something like this... cos he was mentally unstable, full of hate & so very bitter)...
I guess we don't know which category Russell falls into... I really really hope it isn't the one I have just talked about
quote:Brooks ---- Oh NO!!!! I think the others have him sussed totally right!! I can't believe Vicki can't see it.
Yes, quite possibly so but I think: Vicky, being Vicky, won't take anyone elses advice. I reckon she is testing him out for herself & in a way, I can't say I blame her. She's a savvy cookie & I doubt she would let anyone get one over on her.
in varying degrees.. top end = Vicki.. then Alexis... then Tamra...
I loved it at heathers party when Alexis brought the lovely Sarah with her .... Sarah seems to be a bit of a lush ..... and when she picked the bow off Heather's cake "and ate it" ... lol
How over the top was Heather about that ... but I have to agree, she shouldn't have picked the bow off 
Olly you'll be pleased to know Big Rich Texas Trash is starting on ITV2 on a Sunday night.
ooooh another one for the V+ then. .if I can fit it in ..few Sky 1 things on Sunday evenings as well as Towie too.. oh the shame of the reality crap I watch tho the sky1 stuff is not reality tv 
Ditts tbh I don't think any suicide is an act of unselfishness including the one most recent in my family. .all it meant was the close family could sit safe in the knowledge they had a roof over their head while they went thru their grief about the most important thing they had lost.... I know it isn't the same as the 'see told ya I'd do it' suicide but both types end up with people so hurt wondering just how they could have been made to suffer so much at a loss and a huge anger at it being an 'on purpose' loss too . .
I didn't know until today that Camille was Kelsey Grammer's ex! And the cheeky sod did the dirt on her
What a piece of crud that Russell was. I love the Beverly Hills one, it's by far my fave. Proper drama but none of the skankiness of Orange County or faux drama of New York. It's people with really screwed up situations, but they all handle it in a fairly dignified way. When Kim told Kyle she thought she was pregnant I nearly peed laughing 
An alcohol problem? And the rest I'd say.
It's a shame Taylor won't be in it any more, I'd love to see her do well and recover from the whole ordeal.
Real Housewives of Atlanta starts this afternoon on ITV2
I have seen this first season ..they are proper mental this lot.. and prone to violence in later seasons or so I've heard..
Real Housewives of Atlanta starts this afternoon on ITV2
GUTTED!!!
I don't know these people!!! 
I want my Beverly HIlls & OC lot back
(give me a couple of episodes... I'll end up hooked )
I meant to add that the first woman moving into the new house was on Supernanny USA too... all fame hungry wh*res who will do anything to get in the public eye 
still it gives me something to watch and tut about too which is my favourite thing to do with reality shows
Real Housewives of Atlanta starts this afternoon on ITV2
GUTTED!!!
I don't know these people!!!
I want my Beverly HIlls & OC lot back
(give me a couple of episodes... I'll end up hooked )
Hell yeah!!!
Sheree sooooooo left NeNe off the guest list deliberately 
uh huh
I'd forgotten about NeNe.. she is completely off her trolly and not afraid to swing for people either
anybody watch the millionaire dating show after. . who takes someone on a dumptser truck for a first date
Sheree sooooooo left NeNe off the guest list deliberately
Aye!!! That's exactly how I saw it too. If she hadn't and had genuinely invited her to make amends she would have been outside like a shot.
I wish some of you were watching Big Rich Texas (trash), I wanted to slag off discuss the uber venomous bitch they like to call FrankenPam.
Olly I didn't watch it, anything with the word date in the title puts me right off.
oooooh watch it Cinds. .it's less about the dating and more about the twats both date'es and people running the agency
I have set the Texas thing to record Sunday so will be able to talk about it soon .. am a month behind my recording stuff tho.. but I may watch it earlier
I think one of those Texas ladies is on the dating show at some point as well. .I saw mention in the comments on that link you gave us ..begins with L I think, leslie is it?
