I've still not watched the BH one yet. .I am saving it for a snuggle up and relish moment. .May wait until I have the next one recorded so I always have one spare  

I think you may like the NJ one.. they are rough as rough can be

From what I remember of NJ it seemed different to the other hw shows. I don't remember seeing any lavish houses, expensive clothes, trips abroad etc. I remember there were 2 women, a sister and sister in law I think, who didn't get on and the brother/hubby seemed ok with that? and  wasn't there a huge physical fight at a Christening (I think) when one of them turned up? have a few more memories and with you saying they're a rough bunch maybe that's why they all seemed a bit downmarket compared to the other hw shows lol, but perhaps I didn't watch it for long enough. Personally I'd prefer another series of OC to follow this one but we're in the hands of the schedulers  Roll on Tuesday for BH

in seasons 1 & 2 there is plenty of big spending using cash only, always a sign of a dodgy business, plus there have huge houses. .then there is Danielle the ex con and her interaction with the others and mad Theresa. .

later seasons there is bankruptcy and arrests and court cases

Danielle is gone but Theresa is even more bonkers... it's up to season 5 now but I think I've seen up to season 4, can't recall season 3 for some reason..

but yeah would have been better to get the OC  season 8

Still not watched BH yet. .will do after I get next one recorded so I have my spare

I've heard back from ITV2

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Looks like the reason we didn't get the next OC is because they haven't bought it yet and are trying to get the rights to show all the HW series which means,  if they do get them all,  the ones the old BIO  have already shown will be probably  repeated on ITV2 as well,  probably before we get any newer seasons of any of them .. booooooooo 

I didn't realise there are hw series that started such a long time ago, I've obviously come across them very late lol. Have been trying to remember which was the first hw I saw, it might have been the series with the woman who created that drink, and a shed load of money from Skinny Girl...or whatever the name was, she later had her own series, was that an NY one? and I think the next one I watched was BH. I enjoy both of them. Now having seen Vancouver and OC they've also become faves. The more you've said about the women in NJ the more tacky they sound ....surely they belong more with another series, Big Rich......  there wasn't anyone I liked in those, and all their kids were real brats

It was the last episode of OC today  a continuation of Heather's party from Friday. Sarah got thrown out for continuing to be a nasty guest, then all hell broke loose with shouty arguments between Vicky, Tamra, Brooks - which Brooks instigated. I think the women and Vicky's daughter are right about him, he seems to be a smooth talker telling Vicky what she wants to hear and also seems controlling like they say. It's nice to know that ITV2 are trying to get all the hw series but it's obviously taking a long time so in the meantime we don't have the continuity between one series and the next  it's all a bit of a mess imo. I've not checked to see if there's a reunion show tomorrow, hope so, I want to know what's happened since

heya Rose

yeah the HW's have been going for 8 yrs. . the OC was the first. . Vicky is an original and that is why she is so big headed.. and yeah the bloke she is /or may not be with/ had seen previous HW's and everything he said to her was usually based on her previous shows where she said I miss this being said or done by a fella.. so he's studied her in a way.. that is why none of them trust him, he uses her words back at her to win her favour, or get his hands on her money 

The reunion shows are following on ..Vicki's daughter says some interesting things on them too.. lets says Vicki is not best pleased with her

sounds like you joined the HW's with the New York ones... and yeah the NJ ones are rough but no more so than the others it's just NJ women seem to be a tad more expressive in their anger both mouth wise and aggressive wise . .the Miami ones are similar. . Latin influence I thing

Watched the reunion today and as usual lots of shouting and accusations lol. One thing that irritates me about the reunion shows is Andy. I wish he'd take more control and stop allowing the hw's to talk/shout over each other all the time, a lot of the convo's get lost when he lets them do that, very annoying  I'm looking forward to tomorrow's as Brooks is on it, I bet he gets a hammering from the hw's..and Vicky's daughter A few days ago I thought his timing of buying Vicky a mink coat to wear to Heather's party was clever timing on his part as a few days before he realised Briana didn't like him and called him an opportunist. When he realised he wasn't winning her over I wondered if he thought Vicky might trust Briana's judgement over hers and dump him...hence the big gesture of the mink coat to keep Vicky sweet  Maybe he should have bought himself a car instead then Briana wouldn't keep going on about how he always uses Vicky's.

I'd forgotten about the Miami hw's. Again I've not watched much of those series although I think I might have watched one all the way through....so many hw shows lol

BH was good tonight  and there was a nice surprise by something I wasn't expecting... I won't say what

Rose the reunion gets even better

yes Andy does let them shout a lot.. occasionally he will stop them to let a point thru.. I am glad they finally got Vicki to admit she had been such a hypocrite all along ..Tamra gets off too lightly tho as she has always been a major bitch just like vicki but is now coming across all nicey nicey and goody two shoes 

Will catch up with the BH lot at the weekend, well I'll watch the first one.. and save yesterdays one

It was good today   I thought it was funny when one of the viewers comments was that Brooks sounds like a Hallmark card  he does when he comes out with all that waffly stuff he knows Vicki wants to hear.  Shame he didn't stay to hear what Briana was saying about him although he was probably listening off set. I thought Briana had a mature way of putting her views across to Vicki about what she thinks of him, no shouting or screaming, just making good points of what's observed and thinks. Vicki was confused by the end of the show.

Curiosity got the better of me earlier and I looked on the Bravo site    Caught up with some of the things that have happened since then - I won't mention anything  but it made me wish even more we could watch it after this Season. When I was on Bravo I was reminded how annoying it is that we're not allowed to watch any of their vids...why are they so precious about that! surely they know the show is seen in other countries apart from the US, very annoying.

Ah well another one bites the dust till goodness knows when

Briana was brilliant she gave all Vicki's secrets away too ..like that she was having an affair all the time. .Vicki was apoplectic about that and telling her to shut up under her breath.. she wants to appear whiter than white and has shown to be the hypocrite that she is..

RE watching the vids... it's the same here for things like BB, overseas people can't view them either. .  a bit of googling will find sites that have downloaded them  but that is norty  and not allowed and I wouldn't recommend it at all or I wouldn't recommend sites where you can hide your IP address and pretend you are viewing from another country.. 

I thought at the end of yesterday's they said it was the final reunion day so wasn't expecting to see any more but today they showed some unforseen footage, makes you wonder how much we don't see, loads I bet lol. I agree about Briana  also she doesn't seem as complicated as the others. Vicki seems to have controlled her in the past and now Briana's older she wants to make her own decisions and Vicki's having problems with that. Yes spilling her mum's secrets was a shock to the hw's as well as Vicki lol, would loved to have heard what was said after the show

With the BB vids I assumed they blocked those in other countries from seeing them because they wouldn't be able to vote, so no money to be made out of them. Not sure what the reasoning could be for Bravo but in both cases who knows how tv Exec's think

they always have a missing footage show after all the reunion ones

New Jersey HW' start today. .see what you think . .first one is always slow tho as it 'introduces' the HW's

I watched today and as usual a lot of it was getting to know the different hw's. They all sounded reasonable but I know that will change   I recognised Teresa and Caroline from what little I've seen in the past. Towards the end I could see where some friction was going to come from , Danielle and Dina. I wonder which one will be the most unlikeable

Hope you enjoy your episode of BH over the weekend

I couldn't possibly say

Yep am going to watch a BH tomorrow afternoon when it's non stop repeats of all the weeks TV on most channels, ITV being the worst to do that.  .not to mention them showing a footy match midweek then showing the highlights of the bluddy same match after the news break, ,wtf is that all about? then following that repeat with that bluddy stoopid roulette.. 

ooooooh  I feel a rant coming on...

good job I have a shed load of decent series recorded from the past 2 months to watch of an evening and more to come. .in reality there is bugger all to watch on the main channels anymore . .Watch and Alibi are the best for the 9 and 10pm slots nowadays. .adn I am way behind on all their series but at least it gives me something to watch

Hi Olly if you're around

I've been watching the NJ women, don't know if you've been watching again but one series ended last week and another has started. At the end of the last series I thought Dina was cold, Jaqueline was the nicest but she often sat on the fence between the family and Danielle, but at least supported her at that dinner and other times. With the revelation of the book about Danielle personally I thought it was really nasty for that to be brought up by Caroline's family who the viewers may not have known about before.

Danielle is the only one who isn't a member of "the family" but wishes she could be included. I've seen that Danielle has had a painful childhood and questionable lifestyle at times and although I thought she'd be the worst of the lot there were times I felt sorry for her, she's wounded by her past, has a need to feel accepted and needs friends.

In the end of the last series after the huge debacle when Danielle put the book on the table and the convo's that followed I ended up disliking Caroline most of all. She has such a huge grip on "the family" that she constantly refers to and they're not allowed to make decisions for themselves, Caroline's a control freak!

Heya Rose

Yup I've been half watching the NJ lot.. I saw these 2 seasons a good few yrs ago now. . C4 showed them then nothing for ages then Bio [now lifetime]  started showing the later ones.. I think you or Cinds was watching those and I recall one of you saying how nice Caroline was and i think I said nah she's not that nice you should have seen the first 2 seasons. .glad you can see what I meant now

You can see how amd they all are when after only a short first season they had to have a double reunion show as so much went on. .and Jill from the New York lot stuck her nose in too with her comments. .she is like Vicki thought the HW's revolved all around her ..tho Jill got the boot from the NY one which was hilarious but serves her right for getting too big for her boots..

Danielle is sorta hard done by them lot but she is a bit, if not a lot, wonky in the head and goes in for a fight where there is none to be had just because they don't like her... she kinda tries to force them into liking her and goes about it all wrong.. then she causes nothing but trouble using emotional blackmail to get her way.. she is pretty weird that one...  Theresa is barking mad too.. I can never remember her relationship to the Manzo's, I think she is just an old family friend tho am sure I thought she was related somehow.. the third season is a cracker and the fourth even better from what I heard at the third series reunion show which was filmed as they were filming season 4

I've watch 2 of the BH ones .. I had heard a rumour about Adriene but maybe that comes later. .I see Camille has poked her head in.. and Kim is as barking as ever too

They are showing the New York HW last season on ITV 2 in the morning around half nine I think.. still no idea when we are going to get any more new ones from any of them

Hi Olly

I saw these 2 seasons a good few yrs ago now. Yikes I'm so far behind lol.

I thought Theresa was married to one of Caroline's many son's like all the other women seem to be  I'm beginning to think that without Danielle as the non family member they wouldn't have much of a show, Caroline seems to rule the family - I'm sick of hearing her say "family" all the time as if she owns them and expects them to do what she says even though they're all adults!

Danielle is a complex personality. we all have instincts about who we like or dislike, with Danielle I go back and forth depending on the current storyline. For me a lot of her behaviour is bravado or defensive and I get that because of the way she was treated in her past and by most of the hw's. But then another time I can see why some of them don't like the way she goes about things at times. I didn't like Dina in the last series but in this one I'm surprised she's come to an understanding of why Danielle is like she is, I wonder how long that will last lol. Currently the one I still dislike the most is Caroline

Glad you're catching up with BH in the second episode I was surprised but pleased to see Camille as I'd read she wasn't going to take part and I like her. I've realised since then she doesn't appear on the opening credits and has become a background member when she arrives at certain events

Are you watching IAC. When Annabel went into the jungle the way she talks sounded so familiar, every time I heard her I tried to work out who her voice reminded me of. Eventually it came to me, imo she sounds like Lisa in BH

I had to google. .it's amazing how many people ask the same questions ..anyway Theresa is a family friend of the Manzo's. .she was Dina's friend for 15 yrs at the time of the current shows. .Caroline and Dina are sisters married to brothers and the bro's run the Brownstone, a huge restaurant and entertainment business.. . .Jacqueline is married to the girls brother.. and I think he works at the Brownstone too.. Theresa's hubby is in construction..

Caroline's lads are 21 and 19 in the current shows so a tad young for Theresa

Danielle is the outsider for sure but is stark raving bonkers the same as the rest of them.. she is desperate for fame and money of any kind.. and she is sick that they didn't take to her and probably cos they know she is after money so in that way yes they are protecting the family interests.. and Danielle is a trouble maker. .she wants some of what they have.. but Caroline does come across as a Mafia Don a lot of the time too

and yeah Annabelle and Lisa are of the same ilk . .think they may have gone to the same drama schools ..there's a few walking around with that precise accent all from the same era 

ooooooh  I knew I forgot one of the things that I found despicable about Danielle. . who holds a celebratory party for a daughter but the daughter isn't allowed to attend and she also uses it as a dig at Jacqueline and Dina too.. .. it always about  Danielle. .

that not to say none of the rest of them are barking mad too

it's amazing how many people ask the same questions.  I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets confused about who's related to who in the Manzo Mob  - you mentioned the Mafia and that's who I'm reminded of every time Caroline talks in a certain way about the "family" Oh and is just me who thought it strange that every year she has a dinner at 1.000 dollar a guest in aid of the Sheriff's Office, is that to keep them sweet with law enforcers, just seemed a bit odd to me but these are odd people lol.

I remember the Brownstone was featured in an episode of Millionaire Matchmaker some time ago, also remember Caroline being there watching over the scenario of the invited women - and I'm sure her 2 unmarried sons - who the women were there to meet. I feel sorry for any woman who ends up with Caroline as their MIL.

I can certainly see what you're saying about Danielle, for sure she needs money as she hasn't got the wealth the others have, and I can see she craves for a close family like they have and a good man in her life, not sure what kind of man could handle her but they do say there's someone for everyone lol.

I was also puzzled why her daughter wasn't invited to the lunch...her daughter certainly has the model look, she's very photographic. Something else where Danielle really went wrong was not to send a gift or card to Jacqueline on the birth of her baby and yet was upset Jacqueline didn't go to the celebratory lunch, she totally messed up there. Caroline was pleased though as Jacqueline is on side again now. Looking at the trailer there's definitely more drama ahead, but that's what keeps us hooked

Didn't you see in the reunion show Andy asked Caroline about the mob? Said viewers were wondering about connections. .  The Sheriff thing is because one of her Uncles was murdered I think and nothing to do with the Mob according to Caroline ..but it was pointed out that her use of 'My Family' is very Mob like

Yes her 2 sons were in the Millionaire matchmaker and shown at the Brownstone..

these seasons were about 5 yrs ago I think.. this is the 3rd time I've seen this lot.. I usually watch the Chase but Paul O' Grady is on at that time atm hence me watching ITV2 + 1 Jersey repeats

I missed some of today's show, first I got home later than expected and then I got distracted by a phone call. I saw that Theresa gave birth to a little girl, one of Caroline's son's was working at a car wash and to bring in more customers hired some pretty girls with not too many clothes on to wash cars, the boss was pleased with the increased takings

I saw part of a convo between 2 men and Danielle about raising funds for a very sick baby. Later Caroline's hubby said the Brownstone was having a fundraiser and Danielle was going to present a cheque. Caroline wasn't at all happy and said she'd ask the Sheriff to be there, more fireworks ahead lol. It must be deja vu for you to be watching for a 3rd time

Just about to watch the repeat of tonight's BH, I'm sure I'll enjoy it

Yeah is is a bit deja vu but it's been a while since I've seen these ones so am not minding watching it again. .

Yeah Danielle hired some heavy's to escort her to the charity do. .talk about putting hot coals on a fire and stirring it up

I meant to google to find out what Danielle did after they finished filming the first season and before the reunion that Caroline was livid about ./.. am sure I googled it before but I've forgotten.. 

but yeah, it should be interesting today

I googled.  not a lot the wiser except it is something to do with a phone number she passed on for Dina's ex to ring re contact or summat.. Caroline was livid about that yet Danielle was supposedly doing it at Dina's request  .. .

interesting stuff about Jacqueline out there tho...  I should have stopped reading.. saw a few spoilers too

Well the fundraiser didn't go smoothly did it  but then it was never going to knowing the dynamics of those involved One thing that was confusing was I thought family members of the sick child had invited Danielle to it - those 2 men the other day? but then she/we were told they didn't want her there, confusing  Danielle was ott in taking the heavies with her but then the Manzo's didn't play fair, they knew she was going but didn't have a table for her and her friend - who handed over a cheque to the parents and it was accepted - when everyone else had a table so Danielle and friend left. The game playing shouldn't have been the focus of the fundraiser, hoping to save the life of a sick child should have been, I wasn't impressed that personal issues between Danielle and the Manzo's took precedence over the life of a little child

Around 2 weeks ago - a few days after this series started - I was channel hopping one night and saw an NJ reunion, for a second I thought it was a repeat of the reunion of the last series I'd seen a few days before. Then I noticed Jacqueline wasn't pregnant whereas she had been in the recent reunion, I quickly realised the reunion was of another series and switched channels. Then I wondered was it a reunion at the end of this series, I may be losing the plot with what's currently being shown and what other episodes are also being shown

You've got me curious now about what you've come across re spoilers, I may just be intrigued enough to do some research

YR the fund raiser wasn't run by the Manzo's it was held at one of their function rooms that is all..  Danielle and a guest had a place at one of the tables. . the seats weren't free as it was a charity event. .Danielle was given a freebie one tho. .the problem started when Danielle brought her 'entourage'.. there were no seats for them and they hadn't paid for any either nor were they invited. .

The Manzos tried to help out by adding some more tables for them, but they'd only originally set out how ever many the organisers had told them were needed in the first place. . it was the organisers that wanted Danielle's entourage gone in the end for the disruption she was causing not the Manzo's..  Danielle seem to have forgotten that part, she made out she left because she didn't want to cause disruption. .bit late there... . 

she only took all those weirdos/ex cons/hells angels because the event was being held at the Brownstone and she was 'protecting herself' from the Manzo's who had no part in it other than it was a function being held at their place of business.. they weren't even attending it..

I can't stand the Manzo's but Danielle the loon made it into the fiasco it became by making out she needed protection just to attend.. what is worse is, it took the focus off the real event and if I had been those parents I would have gone bananas at her..  

it does sound like you came across another reunion show probably for this one. . I've seen up to series 4, 5 is due to be shown soon and 6 is being filmed..

You had a clearer perspective of the event than I did lol, I think by the time I got round to writing about it I'd forgotten some things  Danielle should ditch - is his name Danny? and spend more time with people like Kim G who has more class.

A new twist today with Ashley now becoming involved in the feud. I saw her before as a typical teenager who thinks she can do what she wants but seeing her today she came across as more than that, it seemed like she'd enjoy causing some trouble and not bother about the consequences, I'll have to wait and see where all that goes if anywhere.

With the other reunion show I stumbled upon I'm sure it was the Lifetime channel. I watch quite a few of their shows but haven't seen an NJ series.....so many shows, so many channels lol.

I can't say anything I'll give the game away.. Kim G features in later series too...  as for Ashley well.. 

I don't know if you did google I wouldn't advise it ..I learnt something about a character, by accident, that I didn't know and thought was ok kinda put a different spin on things when you find out stuff. .tho what I learnt was sorta about the stuff going on now.. it was when I was trying to find out what Danielle was supposed to have done that made Caroline get so angry at the end of the last reunion and resulted in none of them talking to her this season..

I think Danielle thought it would be good for her publicity to become involved with a load of Ex cons, Danny et al,  as she's suddenly started joking with them she is one too, all  off the back of the book revelations.. then she seems to think that if she goes near the Manzo's they'll attack her physically or summat. .she is off her rocker that one... stoopid woman

Yes it would be Lifetime you saw the other show on as they showed the later series when they were Bio and I think are now showing the older ones in filler daytime slots.. .they usually show the new HW's series in the 9pm slots..  C4 showed these first 2 season yrs ago. ..

Ohh, the Forum's working properly for me So Dina left the show today, wasn't expecting that. Tbh I thought it was stupid of her to suggest to Danielle that they meet up. Did she really expect to just say her piece and leave and not expect Danielle to answer back, she knows Danielle's a fiery person and would fight her own corner. Dina could have just sent a text saying why she didn't want her in her life and block her number and email addy, it all seemed a bit set up just for the cameras. The Manzo's are always saying they want nothing to do with Danielle, don't want her name mentioned again but every day they're talking about her lol. I know Danielle's a fruit loop, a drama queen, is mixing with some dubious people, and I don't always know when she's telling the truth - although that could go for other hw's as well - but to have a whole family against you if you're someone like Danielle you won't take it lying down or hide in a corner. Overall I think the feud is six of one and half a dozen of the other lol

Your advice about not googling came too late lol  I went looking for info last night and learnt some new things about Theresa, Caroline, Ashley...can't remember who else atm...oh I found out Danielle and Kim G have fallen out lol. I didn't find anything that was a shock about Danielle as I expected. I too would like to know why Caroline was more furious than usual with Danielle at the last reunion. Reading the spoilers reminded me that I'm talking about what's being shown now but things sure can change.

Ahhh, if Lifetime are showing NJ in the daytime that's why I was confused as I watch Lifetime at night. I really wasn't sure about watching the NJ series, but, I've been drawn in yet again and want to see the future series now ...I must be a glutton for certain shows that some would never watch

I knew Dina was leaving and I think it was set up so she could have her last word on film to Danielle before saying her final goodbye...

Danielle is cook-coo . .taking heavies with her while going for a meeting with a woman to have a chat over a drink/meal.. how pathetic and passive aggressive is that?

the New Jersey ones were what sucked me into the HW's in the first place.. it's never quiet with that lot. . the later ones don't get any calmer either.. and plenty more gossip to come in those

my googling about the Danielle thing turned up some interesting stuff that has been said about Jaqueline that I hadn't known just from watching.. some relating to earlier seasons as well.. also turned out Dina wasn't as Zen as she tried to make out... 

Hi Olly

Maybe it's me but I thought today's show was a bit more low key than usual. Perhaps because Danielle was having surgery so wasn't shown as often lol. It didn't stop the others talking about her - despite them always saying they don't want to lol. I got the point though that Kim G and Kim D did keep bringing her into the conversations before and at Theresa's party - what a bossy woman her party planner was!! I'm starting to notice that Ashley's coming across as a bit sly, can't think of another word. She apologises to her parents but is always smiling when she does and it doesn't come across as sincere, to me anyway.

quote."my googling about the Danielle thing turned up some interesting stuff that has been said about Jaqueline that I hadn't known just from watching.. some relating to earlier seasons as well.. also turned out Dina wasn't as Zen as she tried to make out."

I'm wondering where you found that info as I've not come across it and I'm curious lol  I'll have to do some more digging

YR I found it when googling to see what Danielle was supposed to have done that made Caroline mad at the end of season one. .some stuff came up about Dina and some other stuff came up about Jacqueline.. it's people's opinions of her and has not been shown on the show.. something about her and twitter.. am not giving any game away as it never gets seen but it gives a bit more info about her as a person  

Re Ashley... Can't wait for you to see the later episodes in this season..

I had to record today's show and watched it tonight. With Danielle back in the mix after surgery it got back on track to the usual show lol. One of the hw's said what I was thinking the other day, Kim D is playing both sides of the fence but then came her fashion show and it came across that she chose the Manzo's and sat with 2 of them. If she was neutral she could have sat at anyone's table as it was her night. Yet again that all looked set up, why of all the tables was Danielle given the one opposite Theresa and Jacqueline, and why did she choose Ashley to model and not Danielle's daughter who at least looks like a model - imo Ashley doesn't. And then when it's time to leave Danielle is walking out and Theresa is waiting for her and pretending she just wants to say Hi, soooo not believable after all the other stuff that's been said, she wanted to provoke her. I'm wondering how much input the Producers have on directing the storyline and where they want it to go.

Seeing the trailer for tomorrow there's obviously more trouble ahead, I'm glad this is shown daily as it would be frustrating having to wait a week! Now you've said that about Ashley I'm wondering how long I have to wait to see it now she's come on my radar

you haven't got to wait long YR

yes it is set up a lot by the producers but Danielle is the author of her own misfortunes.. she could have just been polite said hello and carried on walking. .but she is completely fixated on that lot.. she takes rejection as a personal attack. .getting a bodyguard is way over the top.. she can't accept that people don't like her and then she gets personal about it meaning they like her even less. and her thinly veiled threats of violence don't help either..

Can you see how this HW's series is what got me hooked on the rest of them. .it's been manic from almost the very first episodes..

I've seen 3 BH's . .Taylor is looking like a bit of a lush in them.. Adrienne is still putting on her 'I'm the nicest person ever and wouldn't do or say a bad thing about anyone' front... all for the sake of promoting her businesses, which is the only reason I think she has done the show. .she is so transparent ...

E channel is showing old episodes of RH Orange County.  I haven't seen some of these.  They are quite old, as Tamra is still with Simon.

Was BH or NJ the first hw series you saw, if it was NJ the other hw series that followed must have seemed quite tame to this lot

Oh that Ashley!! she's trouble! While watching what unfolded I was thinking if she was in Judge Judy's court JJ would have shouted one of her often repeated comments - you can't put your hands on anyone  At least Jacqueline and hubby didn't condone what she did, I wouldn't have been impressed if they'd made it out to be no big deal, it was assault, and I'm not buying that she did it because she thought her mother had been hit, she wanted to do it, hope she gets prosecuted like anyone else would and learns a hard lesson, horrible girl.

I've been googling again interesting story about Jacqueline and Joe, also found out about Dina and future NJ, and some changes for Caroline - at the rate I'll catch up with the rest of the NJ series another couple of years could have passed

BH was good last night, in one of the storylines involving an argument they bleeped out the sound of an accusation that was made, did it several times. I'm wondering if it was related to a gossip article I read months ago, will have to wait and see. Taylor seems to have put on some weight which is good but was embarassing at Yolanda's dinner party. Brandy's dressing a bit classier than she did but she's still hasn't got any social class, foot in mouth syndrome. Anyway will be interesting tomorrow to see if there's any outcome for Ashley to what happened today

I knew the Ashley stuff was coming so didn't want to say anything. .she was hounding Danielle with nasty messages ..still think Danielle is a mental woman tho.. making out they are going to kill her. .idiot woman.. 

Mind you Theresa running after her was hilarious. .but she is a mental woman too..

didn't see anything about Jacqueline and Joe. . what I saw was about how Jaqueline is a bit lop de loop and tweets mental stuff and is not as nice as she is made out on the show.. apparently she had a lot to do with the spreading of the gossip from the first season. .don't think I am giving anything away as tis background to this and the last season... daren't google too much as am hoping the latest NJ will be interesting judging by the reunion show of NJ 4 which happened as they were filming series 5

and yeah NJ was the very first HW's I saw so the others are tame in comparison

bad news is from Tuesday next week no more HW's on ITV2. .probably til the new yr now. .just stoopid Xmas crap

Cinds I may have to tune into E! tho I've seen the early OC ones quite a few times now..

Am way behind on BH's YR...  saving it all up for the sparse Xmas crap TV period.. also been recording the last NY one we saw that is shown earlier in the day on ITV2 so I have something to watch that doesn't have bleedin Santa in it or sad stories with happy endings and big family Xmas meals where everyone is all happy clappy in it. 

I was on the trail again of the NJ hw's  Was surprised at what I found out has been going on. 4 from the Manzo/Guido clan could be spending time in jail, certain family members aren't speaking to others, different accusations being made about all of them and Jacqueline certainly isn't who I thought she was when I started watching. The families aren't the supposed close family unit as being portrayed now. Oh and found out what Caroline's outburst was about end of last season and her reaction to what set her off was waaaay ott to what it was about  also Dina didn't leave because of Danielle as editing hinted at that day but one of the others. Considering how they are on these series there's a lot of double standards, what a messed up family

I was sooo frustrated by some things today, where to start lol. Although Caroline and Jacqueline have told Ash that she played into Danielle's hands they're trying to make out it's Danielle's fault it all kicked off, it was Teresa's who I really don't believe just wanted to say Hi - she keeps saying she's a nice a person and tries to convince everyone she is but there are times when she may be smiling but her eyes are saying something else, and she's got a hot temper as we saw when she threw the table over and then behaved like a mad woman trying to chase down Danielle who was trying to get away. When Ash found out she could be charged she wasn't at all bothered, even thought it was funny  she's weird as that's not a normal reaction. Danielle's been saying she thought she could be attacked, and she was but not from who she expected it. I think Danielle's fear of physical attack is connected to memories of her awful childhood, there's also a possibility she's been threatened because one of the cast threatened another member.

Danny had or still has a dubious lifestyle but at least he's loyal to her, she thinks Kim D and Kim G are her friends, they're not, Kim G goes to Court with her as if she's supporting her then goes round to Jacqueline and says she'll support her!! so two faced running from one to the other saying what they want to hear, she like Kim D is a nosey meddler.These are the craziest hw's of all the other series lol

"bad news is from Tuesday next week no more HW's on ITV2. .probably til the new yr now. .just stoopid Xmas crap" Oh no! I can't imagine finding else with as much drama lol, well at least you have backups to watch  As for Xmas schedule, is it the usual old films they show every year which if they were good I've seen them and when they weren't I still don't want to see them lol

Wow you've found out much more than I did..

I was skimming thru stuff and saw the people writing about Jacqueline being a bit mental on twitter. .she is still portrayed as the sane and nice one all the way up to the end of season 4... I know about some court stuff as that comes up in the next season I think but thought it was all Theresa's family not Manzo's too..  the foreclosure of the house statement wasn't far off the mark and Theresa and her hubby are definitely not averse to violence no matter how much Theresa says she's not like that.. she's a hot tempered madam that one.

I forget why Dina left now.. and by season 4 Caroline is portrayed as a saint..

Yeah starting next week the TV is rubbish .,.Jeremy Kyle shows start their patronising poor sick kids programmes all week so no controversial shouty shows there either.. I do hate when he does those nicey nicey shows I feel embarrassed at how patronising he comes across as.. plus his show is a chavs on film show and he should stick to that..  I'm going to be inundated with sickly sweet crap until the new year now