yep,

the power of the mobile camera and the net

 

still not sure about diving into a machete fuelled attack

ive dived in to stop fighting

ive jumped in when a bloke was battering his woman at the bus stop

 

knives/machetes/guns etc..

 

i'd think twice

that's the one pirate. Surprised they've used that footage 

with that amount of people that were there . . rugby tackle them to the ground from behind and loads just sit on them .. ..  but you'd need a good few with guts to make sure all were protected. . weren't any there today  tho ..maybe if their phones fired lazers or summat they'd have stopped to think about helping ..someone better make an app for that I reckon..   

 

I dunno why the delay of the cops arriving and the lack of help form a lot on the ground while it went on for a good 20 mins bothers me so much it just does.  maybe cos I think perhaps the guy could have been saved.. and the public racing in on these 'terrosits'/lunatics and defeating them would have shown em we won't let em get away with it and we aren't afraid to fight back.. 

yeah 

apologising for women having seen what happened!

WTF!

hindsight olly

 

i reckon watching a man being beheaded might have put a lot of people into shock

Bizarre 

Full statement he made apparently .. "We swear by Almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you. The only reasons we have done this is because Muslims are dying every day. This British soldier is an eye for an eye a tooth for tooth. We apologise that women had to see this today but in our lands our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government. They don't care about you."

I know I'm going to be sticking my neck out here, but I already feel the dead hand of the Met cover-up in this one. It reminds me of the de Menezes shooting at Brixton station 7/7. Shoot first, blame Islamic jihadist terrorists next, cover the whole thing up. At least they are still living so there is only so far they can go in this one. 

but they admitted why they beheaded the man

 

no chance of a cover up as its all over the news why they did it and what they said

Oh I dunno  Pirate.. shock should bring fight or flight ..it seemed to bring on lets wander around and film this to most.. 

 

maybe if they'd acted earlier the head coming off may not have happened.. who knows..

 

I just know what I am like. . I kinda jump in without thinking first. .stoopid I know but I can't not do it   .. 

 

it was also the people just wandering around after and walking past the guys to carry on going wherever they were going that got me too ..this is before the cops arrived and cordoned it off.. anyway too late now and who knows maybe if I had been there for once I may have frozen too. .just don't like watching looker onners doing nothing

They made it their reason but if they were out of it on something the glory-hunting aspect works out too. All I'm suggesting is that at this early stage its a bit soon to be blaming terrorist activity but also time to ask how early the Met police drew their guns before they knew any motive. 

the guy that was tweeting from the scene reckoned they ran at the police witha machete and the officer they ran at shot one of them - he says the other attacker  tried to fire an old rusty looking gun at the cops and blew his own finger off 

that'll be 2 men with knives/machetes who just beheaded a stranger in a London street, threatening police with same action, whilst a crowd of onlookers (potential victims) were within their reach & refusing to lay down their weapons

 

if i had a gun I'D have shot them aswell

I've not watched the News but from a few comments I've read the attack on that poor man is so sickeningly horrific to even contemplate, no words strong enough. I saw Youtube mentioned, don't know if any of the public have uploaded a video of the event, if so, anyone who watches it/them surely also has to be sick.

another witness account here too Xochi , seems to bear out the bit the other guy said about them running at the police with the cleavers http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/201...-coverage?CMP=twt_gu

i agree with you

youre braver than me

but who knows what we'd do put in the same situation

 

apparently, it was a few women who dived in at various points

OK, I hadn't read those first-hand accounts. Ta. Doesn't mean they weren't off their head on something though, does it? In fact it indicates that they were not competent, especially if they crashed their car before doing this horrendous attack. 

I found the ITV coverage really really shocking 

The guy on Twitter reckons they were out of it , as does the woman in the Guardian link

yeah,

dont sound like a thought through act

like it was part of a terrorist link

OH those two murderers were on something alright, they were jacked up on religion.

"Joe Tallant,20, a local resident who witnessed the attackdescribed how a friend's mother comforted the dying victim. He claimed that the attackers told her 'No man is coming near this body' as they asked onlookers to take photographs of them

"It was like they wanted to be famous or something but in a stupid way," he said.

He added when the police came, the two men walked towards the officers and a female officer shot them."

I just heard them described by someone on 5Live as 'homicidal exhibitionists' and unlikely to be aligned to any terrorist group as such. He compared them to the Boston bombers. Lonely fanatics. 

Mohammed Shafiq, the head of the Ramadhan Foundation has also criticised the murder of a man in Woolwich by men invoking the name of Allah.

"I wish to condemn the evil and barbaric crime carried out today in Woolwich. Our immediate thoughts are with the family and friends of the victims. From whatever angle you see today's attack it was at every level evil. 
We must allow the police to gather all the facts before unnecessary speculation and wait for the facts before determining its impact on our country. 
But what happens in the days to come, London and our nation will come together and will not be divided. The terrorists will never win and succeed in their evil plans. 
But tonight we think of the family of that soldier killed."

Not unlike those Catholic priests who were able to perpetrate their crimes too, then Vids? 

nah

come on

totally different

even my poorly educated self knows that

Don't put yourself down.  What I was trying to point out is that it is very easy to rush to sudden judgement in the way Vids did. 

Totally agree.

ok

but

its is terrorism in my eyes

if youre chanting bollox about any religion while youre trying to cut someones head off

its odds on youve got religion on your mind while youre murdering someone in broad daylight then waving a machete and admitting it to live tv footage

Be fair, they were spouting out religious things while murdering the man.

anyway

not falling out with anyone

i like a good swap of theories/reasons etc..

It's good to hear British muslim groups speaking out against the actions of those two fools today.

 

We shouldn't let this divide us as thats what they wanted.

That's exactly right !

I just keep thinking about the poor guy that was killed, and his family being told.. chances are they'd seen the story breaking too .

I've only just found out about this, it's sick! It's sad and disgraceful, I just don't understand the mentality of these people I hope the young man died quickly

That's what I can't get out of my head either Slinks 

It's bad enough to know that one of your family has been killed but even worse to know how, as in this case 

From what a witness said on the news, they drove into the victim 

The news report says the armed police didn't have time to shout when the killers rushed them and they were shot. I just hope the police aren't vilified for this 

I know, awful.