I am too, but it's the whole insidious business of all this that makes me feel yuk.

acab, and if you need to tell people how it should be then bugger off, I DON'T WANT TO LISTEN!!

Shifting the deck chairs on that Titanic.

Well, so be it.

Want to explain that? Cos I don't understand  And possibly others don't either 

Sack him… and Philip Hammond… we can’t be having soldiers dropping babies on the front line, surely…

 

Is Clegg in the process of making some sort of stand against his Tory bed-mates this weekend?

Well, yes, there is all of that. I had my own thoughts about why they seem to be dropping Mitchell like a hot brick. Not as indepth as yours but not dissimilar.

lets be fair here.

 

Cops keep us safe....or do they.

 

They can't even jump in a river to save someone nowadays for fear of losing their jobs due to regulations.

 

I watch all those cop shows on tv and they are all arrogant wamkers to be honest, probably take that from head office because it seems to be the norm since 1950 that you have to be a devious twat to make it big in the force.

 

And politicions, well like my previous post, billy connelly said it best when he said, "anyone who wants to be a politicion, shouldn't be..

MY SPELLING IS TRUD BTW.

I do wonder tho, if this was a Labour politician that did that would we have all this outrage over it?   I've never heard so many self righteous people come out of the woodwork to not only rant about him and his behaviour but also the Tory party as a whole, as if all of them shouted at this poor ickle (now probably on leave due to this awful attack) policeman.?

 

This does sound to me like those on the Left have jumped all over this non event as a stick to beat the Tory party with....one, probably stressed, bloke wanted to ride his bike out of the place and PC Jobsworth wanted him to ride in a different direction,  and suddenly The Sun newspaper who printed what this copper claimed was said to him is now trusted as a shining light of truth and all things decent.  lol

The Tories are beating themselves up here. That's the main dynamic! Your major division in British politics is that between Cameron and Johnson. An old rule is that you shouldn't interfere if your enemy is making mistakes and I'm sure that is what Milliband thinks, if he is still alive. No-one seems to know.

The right wing press is unimpressed with him.  Depending on who you're talking to New Labour were Tory mimics (sensible people like me  ) or raving Marxists who chucked money at asylum seekers  (UKIP loonies) . 

 

I get that he was stressed and we've all lost it at times but would your first choice of insult honestly be 'pleb'?  Not mine. Would you call a policeman that unless you were an arrogant born to rule tw*t?

 

This sticks to the Tories better than Labour because the Tory cabinet it is stuffed with millionaires, inherited wealth, Eton old boys and Bullingdon Boys.  A cabinet that reeks of banking connections, offshore tax avoidance, old school tie and inherited privilege wagging its fingers in the most self serving way at ordinary people who've never had their advantages like the loathsome (and thick) "Britannia Unchained" lot. 

 

As I wrote, the Tories are ultra sensitive to this because they are trying to con the British people with "We're all in it together".

 

 

 

Camoron and Bozo,

 

One's a plutocrat who looks after the top 1%.  The other's a plutocrat who'll look after the top 1%, if they live in London.

I don't usually join in political debates on the forum , but this morning I'm feeling stroppy, so.... Just an observation, but the Labour Party was /is hardly made up of the * flat cap* brigade any more! It always makes me smile when it's only the Tories who are deemed * privileged. * And why anyone think they would do a better job at getting us out of this mess, when in large part they got us into it, is beyond me

I have to agree Baz - and Ed Balls looking like the cat that got the cream when he's hardly blameless makes me  -  tiptoes away

Me too Squiggle ... dreadful man ! I have to admit a part of me wishes they had won the last election and see them dealing with the fall out of their previous policies ! I bet they would soon have lost a few supporters when they too had introduce swingeing cuts

* stomps through thread in royal blue dressing gown *

Mine's hot pink wiv a hood, does a little stomp

I've got to go but it's a Tory issue. Blair and his ersatz Tories thought that they could run a market economy better than their hero Thatcher. Cue...... Collapse of laissez faire market economy. There are no grass roots supporters any more. Squiggle has as much chance of directing Tory policy as I have Labour policy.

The question is 'SHOULD HE GO?' So:-

 

YES = He should go.

NO = He SHOULDN'T go.

Very true GJ I think the thing is that a lot of people have entrenched ideas about which political party they support and it wouldn't matter what the Opposition did it would be wrong. Me, thanks mainly to Blair, am a turncoat .

Oh and dressing gown is actually pink to Squiggle

Sorry that should have been *I* not *me*

 

The Tories aren't 'deemed' privileged, they are privileged!

 

Labour followed the consensus economic advice of the time that we needed to deregulate our financial services to protect London's status as a #1 trading centre. It is to be wilfully stupid to think the Tories, full of bankers and banking interests would have gone against the overwhelming opinion of the time and regulated our banks to make them uncompetitive.  The Daily Mail, Murdoch and Telegraph would have gone mental that their own party was 'driving away wealth creators' and 'More socialist than the socialists'?  I don't think so!

 

The basis of Blairism was that rather than be the enemies of market capitalism, Labour were in fact ok with Thatcherism, and they could do Thatcherism better than the Tories.  They would use the revenue generated by a liberalised market to give, at least, some back to the poor, rather than give the whole lot away in tax breaks and freebies to the better of.

 

The Tories must wake up every day thanking fate that they didn't win the election in 2005 and the credit crunch didn't happen when they were in gov't.  Had they done so, they would be finished as a party.  Labour can point to 10 years of growth and goodwill before the crash, the Tories would have had 2 years of gov't to show for themselves.

 

Labour certainly isn't the party of the flat cap any more, if it is ever was! 

I think the Tories probably wake up every day wishing they hadn't won THIS election Carnelian, given the mess they were left with after ten years of perfect handling of the economy ! Do you truly think that this so called Labour Party we have these days would have been able to steer us through without making huge cuts ? Or that they too were not/ are not in bed with the bankers and media . It would be nice to think that was true , but sorry in this day and age it's pie in the sky .

I agree Scotty

Whoops .... I don't agree with all of it

Am I the only person not surprised by Mitchell's words and actions? As someone else stated, This government in particular, couldn't give a stuff about the poor, single parents, or young people...Mitchell's outburt, just echoes the arrogance and rudeness of the so called Coalition party..They are a bunch of rich self serving wankers, who I can't wait to see the back of come the next General Election..

I don't think they do.  I think they're happy to use austerity as a smokescreen for things they wanted to do anyway. Austerity hasn't stopped them from giving tax brakes to the rich and corporate interests.  It would be far more difficult for them to sell tax cuts for the rich and tax hikes for the poor if the economy was booming.

 

Regarding Labour, they promised harsher cuts than under Thatcher if they got back into gov't.  If Labour were in government and giving tax breaks to the rich while preaching austerity for the poor, they'd rightly be getting the flack for it.

 

 

- Yes, they were in bed with the bankers

 

- Gordon Brown's big failure was basing his spending on his faith that market capitalism, with its computer controls, was now capable of fine tuning itself to avoid its self destruction.  That assumption blew up in his face but as the Tories are now finding, spending is not as easy to cut as they thought.

Sorry Señora, but sadly, when it comes down to it I don't think Labour give a stuff for them either But I am sure you will get your wish cos the Conservatives and Liberals will be consigned to the backwaters after trying to sort out the Labour mess. I just hope for all our sakes that the next Labour government do a better job than last one !

Not surprised in the least, Senora.  Born to rule, and all that!

Thing is, they're not sorting out 'the mess' and in my view, they're not bothered about sorting out 'the mess'.  The longer 'the mess' lasts, the more they can drive through their rightist supply side economics by selling them as in the country's interest.

 

The mess they're supposedly trying to sort out is the result of policies that they ideologically supported like banking deregulation and property/credit bubbles.

 

As predicted, their policies are making things worse not better.

Carnelian .... To go back to my original post ... The fault lies in the premise that somehow all Tories are grasping sycophants , while Labour are the * party of the people * . Neither premise is true

Sorry Scotty, I can't quote cos I am posting from the app :laugh,

And that's my point as well Carnelian . In your point of view they're not ... in some people's view they are .... It's all a matter of * view* in the end

I also can't edit , so apologies for all the grammatical and spelling mistakes

I think you've drawn the wrong conclusion. I've never claimed that Labour are the party of the people.  Under Blair, they were the party of the bankers, PFI barons and poodles of Bush's Republicans.

 

However, if you read the opinions of UKIP types on the DM or Telegraph sites, you'd think Blair was a hard core socialist.  Mind you, some of those loonies even claim Cameron is a socialist.

 

'grasping sycophants', no, self serving, hypocrites who haven't got a clue what it's like to struggle and class warriors, yes!

Worst trade figures EVER declared for August and double dip recession.  If you or anyone else thinks that's 'cleaning up the mess', then you all must be looking at the graph upside down.

 

That's not a point of view, that's the real world.  If Labour were delivering p*** poor figures like that, Murdoch, the Mail and Telegraph would be going apes**t crazy!

Im sure theres been a long history of Labour MP's behaving in aggressive or rude ways to people in the past.

 

Old Two Jags punching someone,  that lefty loon who only a few months ago started randomly punching Tory people in a bar...and so on...it happens to the best of us.

 

I always thought that "pleb" was a regular insult that people said about others, or too others, they dont like for whatever reason...regardless of class or status.

 

Personaly I think all MP's are plebs.

TBF John Prescott was defending himself and I would have had even more respect for him if he'd dropped that faux anarchist music bloke. One can't normally get a cigarette paper between the Tories and er, Labour however Brown nearly got back in and I can't help but think with a more Keynsian approach that he might have made a better fist of it. See also the last chapters of Lord Sugar's book.

That prick 'Nobacon' from Chumbawumba? Prescott publicly humiliated by an arsehole from a band that were more full of shit than the Manic Street Preachers and U2 combined (sorry if you're a fan GJ). Their sole contribution to the anarchist cause was a drinks industry promotion song, which is currently used to promote the services of ambulance chasers, Underdog.com