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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by luxor:
Unfortunatlely there is no radar out at sea, once you get beyond 200 miles or so everything is under procedural control.
It does not look good and the area to search will be vast.

actualy thats not entirely true

there is no civilian radar.

(and yes it vanished off milatry radar)

Military or civilian radar can not see over the horizon. So if it was on radar then they will have an idea where to look. If it was beyond 200 miles 250 max then it will not have been on any radar.

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Originally posted by luxor:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by luxor:
Unfortunatlely there is no radar out at sea, once you get beyond 200 miles or so everything is under procedural control.
It does not look good and the area to search will be vast.

actualy thats not entirely true

there is no civilian radar.

(and yes it vanished off milatry radar)

Military or civilian radar can not see over the horizon. So if it was on radar then they will have an idea where to look. If it was beyond 200 miles 250 max then it will not have been on any radar.

well lets just say its been confirmed that it WAS on military radar when it disappeared, i guess it might have been seaborne or coastal if it got most of the way across the atlantic.

there is some island they started searching near, radar could have been there too.

EDIT AFTER TDID'S LINK ABOVE

"The aircraft disappeared about 186 miles (300km) north east of the coastal Brazilian city of Natal and near Fernando de Noronha, he went on."

so it was in coastal range for radar

Last Heard From Pilot He Was Complaining Of Hard Turbulance

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
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How can they run out of fuel?

Another Bermuda Triangle mystery?

No One Is Saying They Did, They're Saying By *NOW*, If They Were Still In The Air They Would Have Run Out Of Fuel. I.e. The Plane Has Crashed.

That Being Said It Is More Than Possible To Run Out Of Fuel, Leaks, etc. There Was Even A Case In Canada When An Aircraft Run Out Of Fuel Because The Ground Crew Failed To Convert From Imperial to Metric

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Originally posted by Scotty:

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
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How can they run out of fuel?

God only knows! I guess they only carry enough fuel for the actual journey and maybe a little more incase they have to do an emergency landing? (I'm no expert though)....please let there be a miracle!

Something is not right here. This plane must have gone missing hours and hours ago. What have they been doing? It takes at least 10 hours to fly from Brazil to France!

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Originally posted by Scotty:

How can they run out of fuel?

some time ago most airlines reduced the reserve fuel in their aircraft to lower weight and therefore reduce costs, this plane had an additional 2 hours of fuel above what was needed so it could be diverted if required but even if it was still airborne it would have run out by now.

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Originally posted by Scotty:

How can they run out of fuel?

I was on a plane from zanzibar to tanzania once (a 20 min flight) and we did a massive u turn 5 mins after take off as apparently they'd forgotten to fill the fuel tanks
Never been so scared in my life!!

It was a 5 seater titchy thing though, hardly a western airways jumbo...

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Originally posted by Clarence:

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Originally posted by Scotty:

How can they run out of fuel?

I was on a plane from zanzibar to tanzania once (a 20 min flight) and we did a massive u turn 5 mins after take off as apparently they'd forgotten to fill the fuel tanks
Never been so scared in my life!!

It was a 5 seater titchy thing though, hardly a western airways jumbo...

'Forgot'!!

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by Scotty:

How can they run out of fuel?

some time ago most airlines reduced the reserve fuel in their aircraft to lower weight and therefore reduce costs, this plane had an additional 2 hours of fuel above what was needed so it could be diverted if required but even if it was still airborne it would have run out by now.

Oh dear..cost cutting may have cost lives. I`m praying for them all. Please let them be safe.

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Originally posted by Clarence:

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Originally posted by Scotty:

How can they run out of fuel?

I was on a plane from zanzibar to tanzania once (a 20 min flight) and we did a massive u turn 5 mins after take off as apparently they'd forgotten to fill the fuel tanks
Never been so scared in my life!!

It was a 5 seater titchy thing though, hardly a western airways jumbo...

'Forgot'!!

I know!

And we just landed, the pilot wound down his window and yelled out of it and these guys ran over with a great big hose, which had fuel spilling out all over the place.

On the second attempt I just shut my eyes and counted to 60 20 times until we got there!

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Originally posted by Scotty:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by Scotty:

How can they run out of fuel?

some time ago most airlines reduced the reserve fuel in their aircraft to lower weight and therefore reduce costs, this plane had an additional 2 hours of fuel above what was needed so it could be diverted if required but even if it was still airborne it would have run out by now.

Oh dear..cost cutting may have cost lives. I`m praying for them all. Please let them be safe.

i dont think there has been a single case of that being an issue since they did it after all 2 hours is a hell of a distance extra.

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Originally posted by Clarence:

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Originally posted by Scotty:

How can they run out of fuel?

I was on a plane from zanzibar to tanzania once (a 20 min flight) and we did a massive u turn 5 mins after take off as apparently they'd forgotten to fill the fuel tanks
Never been so scared in my life!!

It was a 5 seater titchy thing though, hardly a western airways jumbo...

How scary for you Clarence I can`t imagine the panic on board this plane for these poor people. Please let them be safe.

Oh god! all those people.

Hopefully it's landed safely somewhere.

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:

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Originally posted by Scotty:

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
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How can they run out of fuel?

God only knows! I guess they only carry enough fuel for the actual journey and maybe a little more incase they have to do an emergency landing? (I'm no expert though)....please let there be a miracle!

Neither am I DD...a lot has been explained on this thread..logical. I`m stiil hoping. Please make them safe.

now saying this plane had previously suffered an electrical fault.


oh and gm just filed for bankruptcy.

http://news.uk.msn.com/world/a...documentid=147697775

Now saying that the plane suffered an electrical short circuit about 15 mins after suffering heavy turbulence......it isn't looking good

bloody hell, had no tinterweb all morning, so it's the first I've heard

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Originally posted by Gel:
bloody hell, had no tinterweb all morning, so it's the first I've heard

The news channels are running the updates Gel

Ohhh this is really horrible

I can see the beginnings of another conspiracy theory here.

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Now saying that the plane suffered an electrical short circuit about 15 mins after suffering heavy turbulence......it isn't looking good

they have said the electrical fault was minor and not a risk to the flight, but the short COULD have started a fire and of course thats a different story.

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Originally posted by Gel:
bloody hell, had no tinterweb all morning, so it's the first I've heard

The news channels are running the updates Gel

crikey, just clicked on the beeb site, last update at 12:15

but it says

By now it would be beyond its kerosene reserves so unfortunately we must now envisage the most tragic scenario," he said, quoted by Reuters news agency.

"Nothing on Spanish radar, nothing on Moroccan radar, nothing on French radar - we seriously have to fear the worst."


(I haven't had the tv on either, been at work, only just got in)

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
I can see the beginnings of another conspiracy theory here.

I was thinking of The Bermuda Triangle personally.Dont planes suffer instrument malfunction there?

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
I can see the beginnings of another conspiracy theory here.

I was thinking of The Bermuda Triangle personally.Dont planes suffer instrument malfunction there?

Wellllll, earlier on in the morning they were reporting electrical fault, then it was a fuel shortage, and now ... clearly if they can't get a developing news story straight then the US federal government must be involved somewhere.

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clearly if they can't get a developing news story straight then the US federal government must be involved somewhere

Oh yeah they MUST be

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Mazzystar:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
I can see the beginnings of another conspiracy theory here.

I was thinking of The Bermuda Triangle personally.Dont planes suffer instrument malfunction there?

Wellllll, earlier on in the morning they were reporting electrical fault, then it was a fuel shortage, and now ... clearly if they can't get a developing news story straight then the US federal government must be involved somewhere.

If the US governmetn was involved there would have been a preprepared press release somewhere.

Someone earlier said the seats float so hopefully the plane thats gone out to search will find something soon to put the relatives mind at rest if nothing else

Wouldn't they have some kind of GPS thing on the plane, couldn't satelites track its movements?

It's like 'limbo' I guess.

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Originally posted by gma:
It's like 'limbo' I guess.

I guess it must be for all the families that are waiting at the airport for news...gawd knows what they must be going through

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Originally posted by Gel:

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Originally posted by gma:
It's like 'limbo' I guess.

I guess it must be for all the families that are waiting at the airport for news...gawd knows what they must be going through

I can't imagine!
Everly brother's song 'Tell Laura I love her' springs to mind.

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Originally posted by gma:

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Originally posted by Gel:

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Originally posted by gma:
It's like 'limbo' I guess.

I guess it must be for all the families that are waiting at the airport for news...gawd knows what they must be going through

I can't imagine!
Everly brother's song 'Tell Laura I love her' springs to mind.

Unfotunately that made me smile, as I have a niece called Laura, and I used to sing it to her all the time, now she's 27 and she goes mental when I mention it or start humming the tune

Was it Ricky Valance that did that? I think it was.... but yeah, the whole thing is totally tragic, it sort of puts my shitty mornng totally into perspective

poor people... its anyone's worst nightmare isnt it?

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Originally posted by Lindsxdx:
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was just looking at that.

0214 GMT: According to the airline, an automated message was received indicating an "electrical circuit malfunction" on board.

0910 GMT: Aircraft was due to land at Paris Charles de Gaulle airport.

See, is that normal that a plane would not be heard of for that long. You get a message that there was a fault and just expect it to turn up in Paris 7 hours later, surely they should have been more frequent contact than that and they should be able to put a more accurate time on when it actually went missing.