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Extremely Fluffy Fluffy ThingMember VIP10 yearsModerator

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Originally Posted by Sprout:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

All very well closing borders if you know all of your enemies are outside ....

Lessens the risk, I guess, then you can deal with what's inside?

There is that I suppose.

Do you want them in or out, though?Inside and you have them penned - yes they can continue to do damage but you can concentrate on what you have 'caught'. If they are outside they have free rein to plan God only knows what sort of atrocities!

11/13/153:43 PM

KaffsMember 10 years

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Interesting tweet which would possibly explain the wider problems that we face:

I really hate to associate the influx of refugees with the terror attacks in France,but there was a plan by #ISIS to exploit it in this way.

I'd agree it was there to be exploited and taken advantage of.

That's the low level of scum we're dealing with.

I hate that this is making me think that way. So do we just say 'tough shit, you're on your own' I really don't know.

11/13/153:44 PM

CosmopolitanMember 10 years

Originally Posted by Sprout:

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Interesting tweet which would possibly explain the wider problems that we face:

I really hate to associate the influx of refugees with the terror attacks in France,but there was a plan by #ISIS to exploit it in this way.

I'd agree it was there to be exploited and taken advantage of.

That's the low level of scum we're dealing with.

Does that tie in also with my previous post? I dunno

About the EU..? I'd say that closing a border has the potential to be the beginning of the break up/shake up of the EU.

11/13/153:44 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

About the EU..? I'd say that closing a border has the potential to be the beginning of the break up/shake up of the EU.

I do too

11/13/153:45 PM

KaffsMember 10 years

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Originally Posted by Sprout:

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Interesting tweet which would possibly explain the wider problems that we face:

I really hate to associate the influx of refugees with the terror attacks in France,but there was a plan by #ISIS to exploit it in this way.

I'd agree it was there to be exploited and taken advantage of.

That's the low level of scum we're dealing with.

Does that tie in also with my previous post? I dunno

About the EU..? I'd say that closing a border has the potential to be the beginning of the break up/shake up of the EU.

and how much does closing borders help really? Is Mr Terrorist going to go through passport control and declare his occupation? Or is he going to cross into a country at some remote spot under cover of darkness?

11/13/153:46 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Originally Posted by Sprout:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

All very well closing borders if you know all of your enemies are outside ....

Lessens the risk, I guess, then you can deal with what's inside?

There is that I suppose.

As I said in my previous posts Fluffs, I was originally for free movement. I don't know so much now, I think I want my borders closed, and I'm ashamed to say that, but if it goes some way to making things right?

11/13/153:46 PM

BazMember VIP10 years

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Interesting tweet which would possibly explain the wider problems that we face:

I really hate to associate the influx of refugees with the terror attacks in France,but there was a plan by #ISIS to exploit it in this way.

I'd agree it was there to be exploited and taken advantage of.

That's the low level of scum we're dealing with.

I hate that this is making me think that way. So do we just say 'tough shit, you're on your own' I really don't know.

It's a dreadful dilemma ......but I do feel we have to take on board the fact that probably not all those wanting to come to Europe do so with good intentions

11/13/153:46 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Originally Posted by Sprout:

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Interesting tweet which would possibly explain the wider problems that we face:

I really hate to associate the influx of refugees with the terror attacks in France,but there was a plan by #ISIS to exploit it in this way.

I'd agree it was there to be exploited and taken advantage of.

That's the low level of scum we're dealing with.

Does that tie in also with my previous post? I dunno

About the EU..? I'd say that closing a border has the potential to be the beginning of the break up/shake up of the EU.

Maybe that's a good thing? I really don't know

11/13/153:47 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

I hate that this is making me think that way. So do we just say 'tough shit, you're on your own' I really don't know.

wish we had the answers Kaffs

11/13/153:47 PM

CosmopolitanMember 10 years

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Interesting tweet which would possibly explain the wider problems that we face:

I really hate to associate the influx of refugees with the terror attacks in France,but there was a plan by #ISIS to exploit it in this way.

I'd agree it was there to be exploited and taken advantage of.

That's the low level of scum we're dealing with.

I hate that this is making me think that way. So do we just say 'tough shit, you're on your own' I really don't know.

No, I think the point was more a case of the bastards taking a piggy back ride on the backs of those poor refugees. We're dealing with cynical bastards that have no care for human life - why wouldn't they use the refugee situation to their advantage?

It puts 'us' in a terrible situation when trying to deal with and take in the disaffected people. Who and how can we trust anyone? How do we check without causing more misery and distress?

11/13/153:47 PM

KaffsMember 10 years

Originally Posted by Baz:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Interesting tweet which would possibly explain the wider problems that we face:

I really hate to associate the influx of refugees with the terror attacks in France,but there was a plan by #ISIS to exploit it in this way.

I'd agree it was there to be exploited and taken advantage of.

That's the low level of scum we're dealing with.

I hate that this is making me think that way. So do we just say 'tough shit, you're on your own' I really don't know.

It's a dreadful dilemma ......but I do feel we have to take on board the fact that probably not all those wanting to come to Europe do so with good intentions

I know.. but as i said above - are the ones with bad intentions all going to come via a legit route? I'm not promoting any particular course of action btw - I just genuinely don't know.

I do know that Jeremy Corbyn needs to start exercsing his trigger finger though and we should be keeping trident... but I probably digress...

11/13/153:48 PM

KaffsMember 10 years

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Interesting tweet which would possibly explain the wider problems that we face:

I really hate to associate the influx of refugees with the terror attacks in France,but there was a plan by #ISIS to exploit it in this way.

I'd agree it was there to be exploited and taken advantage of.

That's the low level of scum we're dealing with.

I hate that this is making me think that way. So do we just say 'tough shit, you're on your own' I really don't know.

It puts 'us' in a terrible situation when trying to deal with and take in the disaffected people. Who and how can we trust anyone? How do we check without causing more misery and distress?

yep - I know exactly what you mean - I just can't imagine a solution.

11/13/153:49 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Interesting tweet which would possibly explain the wider problems that we face:

I really hate to associate the influx of refugees with the terror attacks in France,but there was a plan by #ISIS to exploit it in this way.

I'd agree it was there to be exploited and taken advantage of.

That's the low level of scum we're dealing with.

I hate that this is making me think that way. So do we just say 'tough shit, you're on your own' I really don't know.

It puts 'us' in a terrible situation when trying to deal with and take in the disaffected people. Who and how can we trust anyone? How do we check without causing more misery and distress?

That's my point. Like I said....I'm ashamed to say it, and it's horrible to say... but until we can know who's who, I say we close our borders

11/13/153:50 PM

BazMember VIP10 years

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Interesting tweet which would possibly explain the wider problems that we face:

I really hate to associate the influx of refugees with the terror attacks in France,but there was a plan by #ISIS to exploit it in this way.

I'd agree it was there to be exploited and taken advantage of.

That's the low level of scum we're dealing with.

I hate that this is making me think that way. So do we just say 'tough shit, you're on your own' I really don't know.

It puts 'us' in a terrible situation when trying to deal with and take in the disaffected people. Who and how can we trust anyone? How do we check without causing more misery and distress?

And there is no way of dealing with these people ....they aren't interested in negotiating ....they simply want to wipe us off the face of the earth

11/13/153:52 PM

CosmopolitanMember 10 years

We're all en route to paranoia and that suits those bastard's agenda.

11/13/153:52 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

Originally Posted by Baz:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

Interesting tweet which would possibly explain the wider problems that we face:

I really hate to associate the influx of refugees with the terror attacks in France,but there was a plan by #ISIS to exploit it in this way.

I'd agree it was there to be exploited and taken advantage of.

That's the low level of scum we're dealing with.

I hate that this is making me think that way. So do we just say 'tough shit, you're on your own' I really don't know.

It's a dreadful dilemma ......but I do feel we have to take on board the fact that probably not all those wanting to come to Europe do so with good intentions

I know.. but as i said above - are the ones with bad intentions all going to come via a legit route? I'm not promoting any particular course of action btw - I just genuinely don't know.

I do know that Jeremy Corbyn needs to start exercsing his trigger finger though and we should be keeping trident... but I probably digress...

On that Kaffs, I think I'd rather lie down and die rather than searching for a world I can't have and that's never gonna be, once the button's been pressed

11/13/153:52 PM

BazMember VIP10 years

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

We're all en route to paranoia and that suits those bastard's agenda.

It will certainly give the far right some ammo!!

11/13/153:54 PM

KaffsMember 10 years

On that Kaffs, I think I'd rather lie down and die rather than searching for a world I can't have and that's never gonna be, once the button's been pressed

the whole point'snot about pressing the button though.. but of having the button. but let's not go there

11/13/153:54 PM

CosmopolitanMember 10 years

Originally Posted by Baz:

And there is no way of dealing with these people ....they aren't interested in negotiating ....they simply want to wipe us off the fpace of the earth

Well there is...but it's not the way most of us would like life to be.

11/13/153:54 PM

KaffsMember 10 years

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

We're all en route to paranoia and that suits those bastard's agenda.

You're absolutely right, as always.

11/13/153:55 PM

CosmopolitanMember 10 years

Originally Posted by Sprout:

On that Kaffs, I think I'd rather lie down and die rather than searching for a world I can't have and that's never gonna be, once the button's been pressed

You'll be lucky to have an option at this rate.

11/13/153:55 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

I know.. but as i said above - are the ones with bad intentions all going to come via a legit route? I'm not promoting any particular course of action btw - I just genuinely don't know.

I do know that Jeremy Corbyn needs to start exercsing his trigger finger though and we should be keeping trident... but I probably digress...

I'm with him on trident, it's not a deterrent... it should be banned the world over, once someone presses that button we are gone

11/13/153:55 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

We're all en route to paranoia and that suits those bastard's agenda.

oh yes

11/13/153:56 PM

CosmopolitanMember 10 years

Reuters reporting terrorists in the theatre have been killed.

11/13/153:56 PM

CosmopolitanMember 10 years

France 24 say siege is over at Bataclan with two terrorists dead - citing local TV sources.

11/13/153:57 PM

BazMember VIP10 years

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

France 24 say siege is over at Bataclan with two terrorists dead - citing local TV sources.

Let's hope that true .....

11/13/153:58 PM

KaffsMember 10 years

Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

I know.. but as i said above - are the ones with bad intentions all going to come via a legit route? I'm not promoting any particular course of action btw - I just genuinely don't know.

I do know that Jeremy Corbyn needs to start exercsing his trigger finger though and we should be keeping trident... but I probably digress...

I'm with him on trident, it's not a deterrent... it should be banned the world over, once someone presses that button we are gone

that's the point though. It's worked so far, because everyone who has a button 'says' they'd be prepared to press it, no?

11/13/153:58 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

France 24 say siege is over at Bataclan with two terrorists dead - citing local TV sources.

at what price

11/13/153:58 PM

CosmopolitanMember 10 years

Originally Posted by Baz:

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

France 24 say siege is over at Bataclan with two terrorists dead - citing local TV sources.

Let's hope that true .....

News agencies seem to be confirming so, Baz

11/13/154:00 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

that's the point though. It's worked so far, because everyone who has a button 'says' they'd be prepared to press it, no?

it's worked for the 179 countries that haven't got it too Kaffs

11/13/154:00 PM

CosmopolitanMember 10 years

Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

Originally Posted by Cosmopolitan:

France 24 say siege is over at Bataclan with two terrorists dead - citing local TV sources.

at what price

It seems meagre in comparison to the numbers they've murdered.

11/13/154:01 PM

KaffsMember 10 years

Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

that's the point though. It's worked so far, because everyone who has a button 'says' they'd be prepared to press it, no?

it's worked for the 179 countries that haven't got it too Kaffs

and do those 170 countries get involved in other countries wars?

11/13/154:02 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

I know.. but as i said above - are the ones with bad intentions all going to come via a legit route? I'm not promoting any particular course of action btw - I just genuinely don't know.

I do know that Jeremy Corbyn needs to start exercsing his trigger finger though and we should be keeping trident... but I probably digress...

I'm with him on trident, it's not a deterrent... it should be banned the world over, once someone presses that button we are gone

that's the point though. It's worked so far, because everyone who has a button 'says' they'd be prepared to press it, no?

But if everyone said no, we're not having it?

11/13/154:03 PM

KaffsMember 10 years

Originally Posted by Sprout:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

I know.. but as i said above - are the ones with bad intentions all going to come via a legit route? I'm not promoting any particular course of action btw - I just genuinely don't know.

I do know that Jeremy Corbyn needs to start exercsing his trigger finger though and we should be keeping trident... but I probably digress...

I'm with him on trident, it's not a deterrent... it should be banned the world over, once someone presses that button we are gone

that's the point though. It's worked so far, because everyone who has a button 'says' they'd be prepared to press it, no?

But if everyone said no, we're not having it?

Wanna ask Russian and North Korea to go for that? I agree it's the ideal scenario though.

11/13/154:03 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

and do those 170 countries get involved in other countries wars?

^^^ and there's our answer we need to butt out

11/13/154:04 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

that's the point though. It's worked so far, because everyone who has a button 'says' they'd be prepared to press it, no?

it's worked for the 179 countries that haven't got it too Kaffs

and do those 170 countries get involved in other countries wars?

Probably not, which says something for them no?

11/13/154:04 PM

KaffsMember 10 years

Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

and do those 170 countries get involved in other countries wars?

^^^ and there's our answer we need to butt out

but will we? Until we do.. I'd like the button.

11/13/154:04 PM

KaffsMember 10 years

Originally Posted by Sprout:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

that's the point though. It's worked so far, because everyone who has a button 'says' they'd be prepared to press it, no?

it's worked for the 179 countries that haven't got it too Kaffs

and do those 170 countries get involved in other countries wars?

Probably not, which says something for them no?

Absolutely. We're on the same page mostly - I'd just like back up until we wise up.

11/13/154:05 PM

KaffsMember 10 years

god only knows what they're going to find inside that concert hall

11/13/154:06 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

Originally Posted by Sprout:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

I know.. but as i said above - are the ones with bad intentions all going to come via a legit route? I'm not promoting any particular course of action btw - I just genuinely don't know.

I do know that Jeremy Corbyn needs to start exercsing his trigger finger though and we should be keeping trident... but I probably digress...

I'm with him on trident, it's not a deterrent... it should be banned the world over, once someone presses that button we are gone

that's the point though. It's worked so far, because everyone who has a button 'says' they'd be prepared to press it, no?

But if everyone said no, we're not having it?

Wanna ask Russian and North Korea to go for that? I agree it's the ideal scenario though.

Of course they're not gonna go for that! which is why I'd rather lie down and die rather than trying to put things back together

11/13/154:06 PM

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