I can't get over the fact she was dressed Pam, why would she get dressed to go to the loo  and why was her mobile outside the loo and he was out on the balcony and had to pass her side of the bed and he didn't see she wasn't there, its all very odd 

Yep, obviously trying to escape from some situation you would think 

well, my first though was she was going somewhere  shame she didn't get there 

Yes 

Exactly,.,

I thought I'd read/heard that she was wearing night clothes as in pyjama style black top and bottoms. Tbh I don't think we'll know all the facts until it comes to trial so atm there's a lot of hearsay, conjecture and rumour. Fact is if he never owned a gun this wouldn't have happened...America and other gun owners take notice!!! Whatever the circumstances of her death he killed her, whether murder or manslaughter

She was wearing a vest top and shorts, which is what style pjs my daughter wears  so I wouldn't class it as being dressed, from the way I see it, he heard a noise  panicked and shot without thinking, he has said in previous interviews that he feels most scared  when he hasn't got his legs on in bed, also this was a new relationship so he may have forgot she was there in the heat of the moment 

Re him not noticing she wasn't in bed:

Sometimes my hubby gets up early and leaves his side of the bedclothes in a rumpled heap, so when I get up for work it looks like he's still in bed and so I get washed and dressed in the dimness and only discover he's up when I go downstairs.

If you thought there was an intruder though, Fluffs - would you first thought not to be to look for your hubby?     Despite only being together a couple of months, the family are saying how they were 'deeply in love' - you'd think her safety would be uppermost in his mind if that were true.

I agree with that.. I know people say it's common in South Africa, but I can't help feeling it's not a great thing to own a gun and be so ready to use it.  

Indeed!

T'Grauniad did a two page special the other day with a floor plan and everything. They also printed the facts in a simple way. Any hearsay, conjecture and rumour seems to originate from the defence.

I'd be jumping under the covers and telling HIM to investigate! Then when I found he wasn't there I'd creep carefully along the landing to the study. If he wasn't there either I'd start thinking that maybe we didn't have an intruder, but I'd still be cautious as I went downstairs!

Hello all on here

this Is one of the most disturbing cases I have read ,I can't fathom It do they have burglar alarms..in S.Africa  and If Oscar is so rich and paranoid why not have a guard..he lives in a gated community,why so many guns in the house,and not a guard on the premises ,if he was that scared for his life..something just doesn't ring true ..and really folks feel free to tell me differently

I hope the truth does come out because a young lovely person with their life in front of them Is dead ,and her family have been very dignified ..  very sad all round 

         night all 

Frodo

I agree there are  so many questions that need to be addressed.I find it very odd that the intruder came in and locked him/herself in the toilet.

I find it odd that his girlfirend didnt respond to him shouting out.

It looks like they're all at it 

Carl's was slightly different though - RTA apparently.

Was it his Dad's house shown last night?

Looked like a 20ft wall and huge iron gates surrounding the property

I'm planning my next holiday to South Africa !!

Looks like they are going with the theory that she had just been to the toilet as her bladder was empty, just been reading a thread on DS on this subject and they have got to over 180 pages, there sure are some nutters on there

 We will have to wait and see what the trial throws up, one minute I believe his story and then I change my mind again, it's the going back to the bed to get the gun and not noticing that she wasn't in the bed 

Me too.  

then again if someone was shooting at me, I'd pee my pants....

But this would have shown on her clothes, the other thing that seems strange is that he apparently shot 4 times 3 hitting her in the head, hand and knee, so presumably the first bullet hit her in the head or she would have shouted out, how did he shoot through a closed door, not wearing his legs in the dark and get his target first time 

yeah.. i was half joking about the pee thing, but I still don't know what I believe.     I suppose though - maybe the loo is narrow.  If someone shot through my loo door they'd have a pretty good chance of getting me unless I was in the shower  I think this was just a toilet though?

From the floor plans that were doing the rounds kaffy, it looked like the toilet was a closed cubicle within the bathroom.

that's what I thought cinds, so if he was in the bathroom and she was in the toilet she was pretty much a sitting duck?

I'm sure I also read somewhere that her phone was on the bathroom floor outside of the toilet cubicle

I just feel so sorry for that poor girls family having to listen to all this effusive guff from his.

So which burgular in his right mind would head for there?

And NO sign of a forced entry - apparently

Sounds v v v odd

I know it's the Daily Mail and all.... but they're reporting that the police told her family she had been hit by the cricket bat, but they didn't want to reveal their case to the defence at the bail hearing.  

Her brother is saying in the sun Reeva did have a mark on her head but that was from one of the bullets

Reeva was living with her friend and her parents, her friends dad said after Reeva started dating Oscar he would not leave her alone, he kept pestering her, phoning and phoning her, he was hasty and impatient and very moody, that's my impression of him

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/...-shot-112914266.html

Police told Reeva Steenkamp's family that the model could have been beaten to death with a cricket bat before being shot by Oscar Pistorius, according to reports.

ITV news said at lunchtime that Oscar hadn't turned up at the police station as his bail conditions state he should on Monday's and Friday's, the courts are now saying this isn't part of his bail anymore  Oscar did meet up with bail officials though 

Why don't they just pat him on the head, apologise for the inconvenience and wish him well?  I think that's what they're going to end up doing anyway.

That's my take on it.