Me either, Aims and I agree with Baz, the whole thing, from any angle looks well weird..

 Roses are red, Violets are glorious, Don't try to surprise Oscar Pistorius.

I was going to write something I saw on FB but thought better of it 

There's no trial by jury, so it doesn't matter what comes out before the trial.

 

 

I fear we could end up not getting anywhere near the truth, I think its weird that he went out on the balcony for a fan and didn't see her missing when he came back. why would a young women sleeping with her boyfriend get dressed to go to the toilet... and why would an attacker/burglar lock themselves in a small toilet? 

He said he shouted for them to get out of his house "or words to those effect" so why didn`t she answer him? like someone else said maybe we will never find out what really went on 

 

 

I know its wrong Aimee,,,but to me the whole story is very unconvincing, the police said she was dressed, why the hell would you get dressed at 4 in the morning to go to the loo 

I thought at one time they were saying she had gone there to surprise him But I agree Dame , I think this is going to be another one of those killings that we never really get to the bottom of

 

 

they had been in bed Baz and her mobile was found outside the toilet door... why would you get dressed and take your mobile phone to the loo at 4 in the morning 

Goodness only knows Dame , there are do many different versions of what happened, and who was doing what and when , that it makes me

Bail decision at 12·30, the courts are arguing that he could change his appearance  and skip bail  I doubt he get away with that 

Just discovered that the South Africans abolished the death penalty in 1995. I must keep up.

I doubt there's a lot a double leg amputee can do to trully change himself. It's not as if there were so many double leg amputees out there.

True  he'd need a lot of help to get away with it 

Just watch him play some kinda disability card

There are plenty of useful idiots who would help him out. Think Lord Lucan. If I may say so.

That was the first story I heard too Baz - she'd been planning a Valentine surprise.   Then that story just seems to disappear.    I agree with you - I don't think there will be an outcome that everyone can accept.

Granted Bail .........No shock

Oscar Pistorius has  been granted bail after a four-day hearing in the case of his alleged  premeditated murder of Reeva Steenkamp.
The Paralympic champion has been  accused of murdering his girlfriend after she was found  shot dead at his Pretoria homein the early hours of February 14.

Magistrate Desmond Nair announced his decision  today (February 22) in a two-hour statement after four days of legal  discussions.
He stressed that the issue at hand in deciding bail was not  solely the matter of the defendant's possible guilt, but whether or not the  interests of justice would be served by the granting or withholding of  bail.
Nair said that key to his decision was the detail  of Pistorius's affidavit to the court - which directly addressed the state's  case, rather than simply denying his guilt.
As the court designated the  case a premeditated schedule six offence, the defence had attempted to prove  "exceptional circumstances" of the weakness of the state's case for bail to be  granted.
Specifically, Nair said that he had considered whether or not  the defendant could afford to lose bail money, whether or not he had a  propensity to violence, and if he will evade trial.
While not finding  that the defence had shown the state's case to be so weak as to reach this  level, the case was also not shown to be "so strong and watertight" that  Pistorius would think he had to flee or evade his trial.
Nair asked if  Pistorius would "duck and dive" to escape a trial, given the circumstances of  the case where he may not definitely face a lengthy prison sentence, and  concluded that the athlete would not be a flight risk.

He added that  ex-lead investigating officer Hilton Botha had not spent enough time to prove  propensity to violence on Pistorius's behalf, having not presented medical or  other compelling evidence.
Nair previously took apart Botha's testimony,  highlighting errors in the investigation, "bumbling" evidence and concessions to  the defence, including his "perception of distance" between Pistorius's home and  a female  witness who had given him a statement.
However, he added that  problems with the evidence and credibility of Botha's circumstantial evidence - the only evidence in the matter - did not mean that the state's case was not  strong.
Nair admitted he had difficulties with various aspects of  Pistorius's version of events on the night.
This included why he did not  try to find Steenkamp when he first thought an intruder was in the house, why he  did not find out who was in the toilet before shooting, why Steenkamp did not  shout back when Pistorius yelled into the bathroom, and why he went into the  possible danger of the bathroom rather than escaping through the bedroom door
At the start of the session, Nair had first addressed the matter of  media coverage, explaining why he did not allow cameras in the  courtroom.
He said that edited highlights may do the process of justice a  disservice and that flashing cameras were an unwelcome intrusion.
Nair  then spoke through the timeline of the case up until the end of today's  arguments.

The  magistrate then explained his reasons for Pistorius being detained in police  cells during the hearing, rather than prison.
He said that it was to  avoid any delay in the bail hearing and to protect Pistorius's right to present  evidence of any "exceptional circumstances" by enabling him to regularly see his  lawyers - but said that no precedent had been set in this regard.
Nair  recounted Pistorius's statement, starting with his claim not to be guilty of  murder, premeditated or otherwise.
Pistorius admitted shooting dead  Steenkamp through a toilet door, but told the authorities that he thought she  was an intruder when firing the shots.
He added that Pistorius pledged  not to contact any witnesses, flee the scene and would also hand in his  passport.
Nair then summarised the presentations and cross-examinations  over the course of the four-day hearing from  prosecutor Gerrie Nel and defence  lawyer Barry Roux.
The magistrate said that the state had met the  threshold for a schedule six case of premeditated murder to be  brought.
Lead investigator Botha, who underwent robust cross-examination  from Roux, was taken  off the case yesterday when it emerged that
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I'm tending to believe him now, I still do think there are some things to the story that are odd but some of the things being reported were wrong, they said that she has been hit by him with the cricket bat but in court today they say she had no signs of being attacked before being shot, I guess we will have to wait for the trial  to see what happened

Thanks for the update Erinp It's a strange one , that's for sure!

Thanks Kaffy..... I thought maybe I had imagined it 

Oh so she was just shot ?   well thats ok then, im glad he's free now.

I do think that the fact that he has no legs was a part of the reason why he has so many supporters who believe in him, if the guy was able bodied and did the same thing I doubt so many people would believe his bizarre story.

Did I say that ? I said I was leaning to believe his story but that I found some of it odd, nowhere did I say it was ok that he shot her, get it right before you try to twist my words 

I know you didn't say that, i never said you did say that, im just saying that just because theres confusion over what happened that it's fine for him to be bailed, in some peoples minds, im not having a go at you.

But in South Africa getting bail does not depend on the severity (or otherwise) of the crime. It depends on whether you might skip. commit a similar crime, or something else that I can't remember at the moment.

He could easily skip town and disappear.

He will definitely do a runner(no pun intended)

LOL, theres loads of puns to be had here.

 

But the funniest thing I heard during all of this was that there was a S. African rugby player that he thought was eyeing up his g/f once, and he threatened to break that Rugby players legs...now that was ironic I thought.

OK

Ironic indeed.Not a legs man it seems

Pistorius has a history of troubles with women. Last year, Pistorius allegedly threatened to break the legs of a man whom he suspected of being involved with his then-girlfriend while Pistorius was in London for the Olympics. “[Pistorius] carries a gun everywhere and I have seen him be controlling to women,” said Mark Batchelor, a friend of the man Pistorius threatened. After they broke up, Pistorius’s ex-girlfriend, Samantha Taylor, told South Africa’s Rapport newspaper that she was “prepared to reveal what (Pistorius) made me go through;” on advice from her lawyers, she later withdrew her statement. In 2009, Pistorius was arrested and charged with common assault after slamming a door on a woman with whom he had fought at a party. (The charges were later dropped, and Pistorius sued the woman and the police.)

Is that not the same woman this week that said he never laid a finger on her  like I said it all seems very odd and I wouldn't like to be tried there 

It's like the Jimmy Savile thing, some of the stories might be made up but they can't all be false...theres alot of smoke there and I think theres some fire too.

I agree Video......

But as they said....he has trouble getting through airports because of his disab ility anyway   I don't think he will 

There's always shocks with "Famous" people, Gazza for instance, "Football hero"  celebs run to pay for his alcoholism treatment, yet he's a wife beater and doesn't see his son but it's ok cause he can kick a ball 

 

me, I certainly don't think they have a case for premeditated murder, but I do think there is far more to it that what he is saying 

Part of me agrees with that, but how would he not notice that she'd gone from bed and he called out who's there (re the bathroom) and he shot her from the distance that they say