oh and the stomach contents...they ate at 7 and went to bed at 8... if they ate at 7 that totally rules out the stomach contents testimony out the window 

Howzit 

I was beginning to think he wouldn't take the stand today 

Darren Fresco is apparently in court but sitting with RS family and friends so I do think his friendship with OP is well and truly over 

I recently had a conversation with two of my sons about this. Both of them have heard noises in the night, grabbed a baseball bat or similar and gone to investigate, without waking their OH. The girls and I all said we would waken our OHs, before investigating, so maybe it's a man thing?

did he not say yesterday that when he bashed down the door and held her she was not breathing???  well he's just said now he could feel her blood on him and hear breathing?  Was it his own breathing?  Needs to be clarified 

He was friends with Reeva before being friends with Oscar.

I think it had to be...he told lies yesterday, Frescoe maybe making statement by sitting with Reeva's family. If he can tell lies about a trivial shooting offence, god knows what he will do when 25 years of his life is on the line 

oh right - I was under the impression that he was OPs friend 

He was, but he had been friends with Reeva for longer.

but she was awake Yogi, he testified he was talking to her before the shooting  and does your sons have en suites, surely they would get their wives out of the adjoining room if they were in that position. 

I've gone to investigate a noise, but if I was sure someone was in an adjoining en suite and I had say my grandchildren staying, I would get them out the room asap, 

 I need to do some ironing while I am listening to this. Will be back later.

Don't know why my text size has gone tiny.

 

Later tater 

speculation is OP is heavily medicated today - wonder if he'll have a breakdown???? 

Good point, Dame. In my son's cases, their wife/girlfriend were asleep.

Another good point about the ensuite, in son's cases the noises were not from their ensuites.

Right, I'm off to iron, see you later.

so Stipp didn't know what he was doing - moving some of the blame to Stipp? 

maybe....he's struggling already, I don;t think Nel will get far with him, he's going to collapse as soon as he starts 

keep the steam on minimum so you don't miss anything Yogi 

I think he's going to do a Dewani   have a breakdown be admitted to a Psych unit and when they've said they'll drop the case, he'll make a miraculous recovery 

he's blamed everyone for everything... this seems to be the norm for him. He asks to handle a gun in a restaurant was warned it was loaded, witnessed by two people and he goes off in his hand, not his fault. He shoots through a car window witness by two people and it wasn't him and so on and so on  

I bloody hope not, he needs to take some responsibility in life, which to me he appears never to have done 

are we leading up to Botha tampering? 

I can understand the trigger of the smell of blood being a powerful one because of the iron content.  I would think every programme showing bleeding or every time he cuts himself it will trigger that day so I do believe on that point he must be in torment 

totally agree,,, deliberate or accident, its something he's never going to get over.

I'm pondering as I'm oft to do, but would it be grounds to appeal him being heavily medicated as they could state that he wasn't medically fit at this stage to give evidence?

they were discussing this on DS the other day...he will immediately appeal if found guilty of murder of CH, but who does he appeal too, the case is in front of the highest court 

retrial?  At least that way they will have the State's case and know where to plug all the loop holes 

sweet baby Cheesebus we're back to the doof doof doof  and hinting that the other phone calls made were by Ms Stander 

Roux is a sly old fox...three duff duff duff that we've established sounds like gunshots  he makes it up as he goes along 

maybe  but then he'll be mentally incompetent and not stand trial 

that's why I'm warming to him as a person - to be honest he is doing the best he can with a lying client but as was said on twitter last night - he's doing rather well financially out of this case 

verra troo 

now he's going to kick to fit 

oh yes, I'm still not warming to him though 

AC from sky news querying how he could carry fans in on his stumps!!!

I'm also finding his evidence to be selective 

I've said this from dayyyyyyyy one, I need a job on sky 

I need to change the ringtone on my phone for emails from uni - it's Dominique soeur - it's loud and far too jolly 

are they talking about the State witness that wasn't called?