gotta go and get ready for uni now 
Originally Posted by Pengy:
gotta go and get ready for uni now
housework beckons for me...I'm sure we'll be posting more stuff in here
Just listening to Riva's cousin on This Morning.
She says he could only serve 6 mths if they are only counting the 5 yr term, if they count the 5 and 3 yr terms then it is 10 mths.. 
Hiya Peeps.I'm not too good today, so I watched the sentencing in bed.
I am as disgusted as everyone else at O.Ps. light slap on the pandy, but I am highly puzzled at the lack of histrionics and dramatics from the Pistorious clan,given how they have all behaved throughout the trial.
I feel, and this is only my opinion, that they knew what was coming. It seemed as if they were prepared for what the judge gave out. In all the months we have watched this trial, we have never seen O.P. as calm and quiet as he was today, nor his family as subdued as they were. It smacks of backroom dealing to me. I wonder if the judge had a message in her shell like when she had to write up her verdict.........
Originally Posted by Sezit:
Hiya Peeps.I'm not too good today, so I watched the sentencing in bed.
I am as disgusted as everyone else at O.Ps. light slap on the pandy, but I am highly puzzled at the lack of histrionics and dramatics from the Pistorious clan,given how they have all behaved throughout the trial.
I feel, and this is only my opinion, that they knew what was coming. It seemed as if they were prepared for what the judge gave out. In all the months we have watched this trial, we have never seen O.P. as calm and quiet as he was today, nor his family as subdued as they were. It smacks of backroom dealing to me. I wonder if the judge had a message in her shell like when she had to write up her verdict.........
nothing would surprise me Sezit personally I think OP was probably sedated - as for Aimee she has one expression and one only - hard faced cah 
I caught some of the sentencing and have been lurking around a few sites since, and here are a few comments I've picked up along with some thoughts of my own. (I tried to post earlier, but got locked out...
So apologies if this has already been discussed.)
I noticed that the judge said WTTE that the case "was very close to dolus eventualis" - an interesting comment IMO that might encourage an appeal from the prosecution.
Regarding the "out in 10 months" thing: my understanding is that after a criminal in SA has served one-sixth of his sentence (around 10 months in this case), he can be considered for house arrest for the rest of it. However there's absolutely no guarantee he'll get it: remember that the judge stated that "house arrest is not appropriate in this case", and "a suspended sentence is not appropriate in this case".
Compared with the uproar following the conviction, I'm seeing a lot less criticism of the judge over the sentencing, with views mixed between it being a bit lenient and about right (no one's suggesting it was too heavy, or he should have got the full 15 years). Some legal experts I've seen have described the sentencing as "astute" and designed to make to hard to appeal (I assume they mean by the defence, but it could mean by both sides).
I did however see someone express shock that the judge apparently didn't revoke OP's firearms license. 
(Would that be done automatically, though?)
Other comments I've seen suggest that - reading between the lines - there's a bit of a hidden back story here regarding police incompetence which put Nel on the back foot and hampered the prosecution case (in particular, some observers had expected a lot more evidence concerning the phone records to be submitted). We may have to wait for Nel's memoirs to get the full story...
Originally Posted by Eugene's Lair:
I caught some of the sentencing and have been lurking around a few sites since, and here are a few comments I've picked up along with some thoughts of my own. (I tried to post earlier, but got locked out... So apologies if this has already been discussed.)
I noticed that the judge said WTTE that the case "was very close to dolus eventualis" - an interesting comment IMO that might encourage an appeal from the prosecution.
Regarding the "out in 10 months" thing: my understanding is that after a criminal in SA has served one-sixth of his sentence (around 10 months in this case), he can be considered for house arrest for the rest of it. However there's absolutely no guarantee he'll get it: remember that the judge stated that "house arrest is not appropriate in this case", and "a suspended sentence is not appropriate in this case".
Compared with the uproar following the conviction, I'm seeing a lot less criticism of the judge over the sentencing, with views mixed between it being a bit lenient and about right (no one's suggesting it was too heavy, or he should have got the full 15 years). Some legal experts I've seen have described the sentencing as "astute" and designed to make to hard to appeal (I assume they mean by the defence, but it could mean by both sides).
I did however see someone express shock that the judge apparently didn't revoke OP's firearms license. (Would that be done automatically, though?)
Other comments I've seen suggest that - reading between the lines - there's a bit of a hidden back story here regarding police incompetence which put Nel on the back foot and hampered the prosecution case (in particular, some observers had expected a lot more evidence concerning the phone records to be submitted). We may have to wait for Nel's memoirs to get the full story...
Couldn't agree more EL particularly on the points highlighted 
I think I said something about them but it's all mixed up in the tweets 
the police incompetence has been a big hindrance to the State's case and I still feel Hilton Botha was spot on with what he thought had happened i.e. an argument but the comedy of errors and the securing the crime scene and items taken away meant the State could not mount a proper case 
I guess the saving grace is that he is now a convicted felon irrespective of how much time he actually serves and I feel he will always have a target on his back so even if he does have house arrest at Uncle Arnie's he'll be a recluse - at least I hope he becomes one and not a danger to anyone else. Time will tell whether he is able to keep his temper in check!
Newscaster on ITV news described OP as a mild mannered Athlete!!
Eh? did she not report on the temper tantrum he threw after losing one of his races at the last Olympics. . not an uncommon trait of his before the shooting either..
mild mannered my arse!
Lungile Lu Ngema â@oraclelulu <small class="time"> 2 hours ago</small>
5years prison sentence for #OscarSentencing I bet he will get sick to be out on medical parole, how little is 5years though...seriously!
this thought did cross my mind 
Barry Roux â@Barry_Roux <small class="time"> 2 minutes ago</small>
ROSES ARE RED, VIOLETS ARE GLORIOUS, DON'T TRY TO SURPRISE OSCAR PISTORIUS. #OscarPistorius #OscarTrial #BarryRoux
shouldn't laugh but 
Brianna White â@Kitty_Splaash <small class="time"> 2 hours ago</small>
Oscarpistosis: The fear of going to toilet at your BF's house
last one I promise unless.....
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
Ten months eh........what can you say?
Travesty!
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Couldn't agree more EL particularly on the points highlighted I think I said something about them but it's all mixed up in the tweets
the police incompetence has been a big hindrance to the State's case and I still feel Hilton Botha was spot on with what he thought had happened i.e. an argument but the comedy of errors and the securing the crime scene and items taken away meant the State could not mount a proper case
I guess the saving grace is that he is now a convicted felon irrespective of how much time he actually serves and I feel he will always have a target on his back so even if he does have house arrest at Uncle Arnie's he'll be a recluse - at least I hope he becomes one and not a danger to anyone else. Time will tell whether he is able to keep his temper in check!
the police would have been better charging Carl with tampering with evidence, it would have thrown more weight behind the murder with intent charge.
linky http://www.theguardian.com/wor...d-ex-girlfriend-book
You can't ignore every single bit of evidence,
The duvet with blood trail
The shouting and screaming before the shots.
Stipps said the light was on, he had no reason to lie
That you talk to your girlfriend who doesn't answer you and then go on to shoot her through a door and not check where she is
She had eaten not long before her death
The bathroom window open
The jeans on the floor and outside the window
The toilet door locked and the light broken, yet the defence used the excuse her phone was used to light the toilet...it wasn't in the toilet, it was on the bathroom floor with not a drop of blood on it. The back cover was off it and laying elsewhere.
Damage to the bedroom door and to the bath panel...
Not one thing will make me think this man killed by accident 
Yet Masipa did and she also said OP wasn't truthful so.....
http://www.independent.co.uk/n...7-years-9623177.html
South Africa rhino poacher jailed for 77 years
Mark Batchelor's reaction, he accuses OP of laughing in his face
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...sowQyx1g&index=4
Fascinating read + comments thank you all 
Ten months Hopefully as Eugene suggests, 10 months + house arrest isn't guaranteed and he'll get more jail time than that?
Though as Pengy says house arrest and a recluse's life won't be pleasant either.
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
We knew where it was heading Dame 
Him and co are laughing themselves silly - trigger happy nob who wanted to fulfill someone elses nightmare.
Scum like that other see you who's on trial.
Yes and if he's broke I'm Madonna
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:
Fascinating read + comments thank you all Ten months Hopefully as Eugene suggests, 10 months + house arrest isn't guaranteed and he'll get more jail time than that?
Though as Pengy says house arrest and a recluse's life won't be pleasant either.
dunno Rosie, I could party it up here as a recluse Uncle's little pad
http://www.timeslive.co.za/loc...car-has-found-refuge
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:
Fascinating read + comments thank you all Ten months Hopefully as Eugene suggests, 10 months + house arrest isn't guaranteed and he'll get more jail time than that?
Though as Pengy says house arrest and a recluse's life won't be pleasant either.
dunno Rosie, I could party it up here as a recluse Uncle's little pad
http://www.timeslive.co.za/loc...car-has-found-refuge
Oh my! So wrong if that's where he "serves" his time Dame.
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:
Oh my! So wrong if that's where he "serves" his time Dame.
yes, that's Uncle Arnie's house and where he's been staying since he killed Reeva 
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:
Oh my! So wrong if that's where he "serves" his time Dame.
yes, that's Uncle Arnie's house and where he's been staying since he killed Reeva
Excuse me while I explode 
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:
Oh my! So wrong if that's where he "serves" his time Dame.
yes, that's Uncle Arnie's house and where he's been staying since he killed Reeva
Excuse me while I explode
*picks Rosie up*
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:
Fascinating read + comments thank you all Ten months Hopefully as Eugene suggests, 10 months + house arrest isn't guaranteed and he'll get more jail time than that?
Though as Pengy says house arrest and a recluse's life won't be pleasant either.
dunno Rosie, I could party it up here as a recluse Uncle's little pad
http://www.timeslive.co.za/loc...car-has-found-refuge
It's a darn hard life.
if you think about it he couldnt have been tagged
anyway he's got off light
he killed her
his excuses were shite
Thanks for the updates everyone, he got more than I was expecting
interesting
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/w...-slept-oscar-4503137
June accuses the jailed athlete, 27, of only acting to try and "save his own skin" in court
Unimpressed: June Steenkamp described the Blade Runner as 'pathetic'
Reeva Steenkampâs mother said her daughter confided that she had not yet had a sexual relationship with Oscar Pistorius.
June, 68, said she believed her daughter - who had only been dating Pistorius for less than three months - had ânagging doubts about their compatibilityâ and felt the relationship was coming to an end before she was shot dead on Valentine's Day last year.
She said: âShe had confided to me that she hadnât slept with him.
"Theyâd shared a bed, but she was scared to take the relationship to that level. She wouldnât want to sleep with Oscar if she wasnât sure.
âI believe their relationship was coming to an end. In her heart of hearts, she didnât think it was making either of them happy.â
June, who is due to release a book Reeva: a Motherâs Story, added that Pistorius is âgun-totingâ, âtrigger happyâ , âpossessiveâ and âshiftyâ.
She also added that she does not believe the athlete, who has been sentenced to five years in prison for the manslaughter of Reeva.
In an extract from her book in Times Magazine, she added: âIt was Reevaâs bad luck that she met him, because sooner or later he would have killed someone. I do believe that.â
June also said she and Reevaâs father Barry, 71, have recurring nightmares about their daughterâs final moments and the fear she must have gone through.
âBoth of us are haunted by the same nightmare. The vision of Reeva suffering this terrible trauma. Her terror and helplessness. Her yells for help piercing the silent night air,â added June.
âBarry agonises over what was going through her mind. âWhere is anyone? Who is going to save me?ââ
June added that she felt "unmoved" by Pistorius' apology for shooting dead her daughter.
The Olympic sprinter was jailed for five years for killing his then-girlfriend, 29, but he could be out of prison in 10 months.
June describes Pistorius, 27, as a "pathetic figure".
The extract focuses on the athlete's public apology during the televised trial.
"It was an extraordinary moment. You could cut the atmosphere in the courtroom with a knife: silence, but for the sound of journalists tapping on their screens. It put me in an awkward position.
"Why decide to say sorry to me in a televised trial in front of the whole world? I was unmoved by his apology.
"I felt if I appeared to be sorry for him at this stage of his trial on the charge of premeditated murder, it would in the eyes of others lessen the awfulness of what he had done."
"He was in the box trying to save his own skin after he had killed my daughter and I was sitting in that courtroom wanting to hear the factual truth, not to see emotions cloud the truth."
Pistorius was also given a suspended three-year term for a firearms offence.
The sentence given to the amputee athlete has been criticised by some as too lenient, but Miss Steenkamp's parents told ITV's Good Morning Britain they accepted the sentence and "don't want revenge".
But they said their daughter's death in the early hours of Valentine's Day last year remained shrouded in mystery, and "only Oscar knows" the truth.
Pistorius, who the court heard has no income and no property after selling it during the trial, was driven away in a police van with barred windows after his sentencing on Tuesday.
He is expected to be held in the hospital section of a prison in Pretoria.
Mrs Steenkamp's book is to be published on November 6.
really interesting interview about the facts of the case with Judge Greenland, it's a really good read if anyone is interested. Shame Judge Greenland wasn't presiding over the OP case, he's be doing a good few more years that he is now
https://juror13lw.files.wordpress.co...pt-part-12.pdf
https://juror13lw.files.wordpress.co...pt-part-21.pdf
Very interesting from June Steenkamp although to be fair, we don't know if RS & OP slept together in the biblical sense although a fair amount of athletes/sports stars won't as they say it uses up too much energy if you know what I mean
I've read the judges comments and I agree with so much of what he's said I really do hope the State appeal because another judge would definitely go for DE
On that note
James Grant â@CriminalLawZA <small class="time"> </small>
I can confirm Adv Nel has consulted me for advice & assistance if he appeals. I have advised that he should appeal & agreed to assist.
He's one of the legal analysts who is also a professor of law at Wits university in Pretoria
seems to be a hot bed of contention about whether they were intimate or not
Barry Bateman is saying they left a lot of stuff out of his book with Mandy Weiner
This would kind of refute what June is saying!!!
June said that Reeva had told her they had shared a bed but not been intimate as she wasn't sure about taking the next step. I find that a tad old fashioned in this day and age, if its true of course and I see no reason why JS would say something like that if it isn't what she believes. There may not be an appeal, I'm unconvinced it will go that far as the Steenkamps seem to have had enough of the courts, although by all accounts the state seems to have a case on two points
Another article about OP's costs...I just get a feeling about this family OP earned approx 20 million rand in 2011, his legal costs for this case are 17 and a half million and he still owes ten and says he's broke. Now maths was never up in my top five favorite subjects, but I just don't believe he's broke. Uncle Arnie is handling things by the sound of it, I bet it's been well handled
June is getting a right bashing on twitter as most feel she's only doing this for the money
RenÃĐDelCarme â@ReneDelCarme <small class="time"> </small>
@tim_meh87 @MandyWiener Hard to believe they were saving their 'truth' for tabloids & book deals instead standing up for #Reeva in court.
Originally Posted by Pengy:
seems to be a hot bed of contention about whether they were intimate or not
Barry Bateman is saying they left a lot of stuff out of his book with Mandy Weiner
This would kind of refute what June is saying!!!
appears so Pengy and I though reeva's family were ill advised with the book deal
I have a good link about the calls that were wiped off OP's phone by the dodgy family, I don't want to put it in here because a lot of it you will be reading in Behind the Door Pengy
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
June said that Reeva had told her they had shared a bed but not been intimate as she wasn't sure about taking the next step. I find that a tad old fashioned in this day and age, if its true of course and I see no reason why JS would say something like that if it isn't what she believes. There may not be an appeal, I'm unconvinced it will go that far as the Steenkamps seem to have had enough of the courts, although by all accounts the state seems to have a case on two points
Another article about OP's costs...I just get a feeling about this family OP earned approx 20 million rand in 2011, his legal costs for this case are 17 and a half million and he still owes ten and says he's broke. Now maths was never up in my top five favorite subjects, but I just don't believe he's broke. Uncle Arnie is handling things by the sound of it, I bet it's been well handled
I'm not sure you'd tell your mammy every intimate detail of what goes on in your life - she probably just told June that because apparently OP has a reputation of a goer
someone on twitter intimated that OP just didn't fancy Reeva and that it was he who was trying to finish with her hence the argument and why she got a Valentine's day card/pressie for him but didn't get one in return.
It's hard to say and far too many unanswered questions - the only thing I'm sure of is that OP is the only one who knows the truth but isn't telling us
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
I have a good link about the calls that were wiped off OP's phone by the dodgy family, I don't want to put it in here because a lot of it you will be reading in Behind the Door Pengy
you can PM me - it will be ages before I can pick up the book as I've lots to do that's more important
Originally Posted by Pengy:
I'm not sure you'd tell your mammy every intimate detail of what goes on in your life - she probably just told June that because apparently OP has a reputation of a goer
someone on twitter intimated that OP just didn't fancy Reeva and that it was he who was trying to finish with her hence the argument and why she got a Valentine's day card/pressie for him but didn't get one in return.
It's hard to say and far too many unanswered questions - the only thing I'm sure of is that OP is the only one who knows the truth but isn't telling us
and he never will
looks like OP was still off and on with babyshoes and was the love of his life even Sam Taylor said it caused all sorts of rows and a nine minute call on the night Reeva died.
the phone calls and messages that were deleted.
here's the link ...I am just gobsmacked the police were so lax
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
looks like OP was still off and on with babyshoes and was the love of his life even Sam Taylor said it caused all sorts of rows and a nine minute call on the night Reeva died.
it looks like OP has never had a relationship where he hasn't had 2 on the go before finishing with one or the other girl finding out and finishing with him
I was watching some programme with him and Sam Taylor - she was very young compared to him in both age and demeanour - she came across as almost a Stepford wife until she eventually found her voice and left him. Can't help thinking she was one lucky girl given what happened to RS
There were reports at sentencing that the reason Oldpodge wasn't there was because he hadn't been paid I hadn't realised until I started reading Barry's book how disliked even hated Oldpodge is both in the legal profession and in the police force where of course he was a former cop
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
looks like OP was still off and on with babyshoes and was the love of his life even Sam Taylor said it caused all sorts of rows and a nine minute call on the night Reeva died.
it looks like OP has never had a relationship where he hasn't had 2 on the go before finishing with one or the other girl finding out and finishing with him
I was watching some programme with him and Sam Taylor - she was very young compared to him in both age and demeanour - she came across as almost a Stepford wife until she eventually found her voice and left him. Can't help thinking she was one lucky girl given what happened to RS
there are also messages to another model he was in contact with once a week love of my life, my foot...he was/is and always will be a selfish lying toad.....pretty calm response for me