#PistoriusTrial Nel asks what will he do (if he gets house arrest), what job, what plans - none were given, in fact avoided

he'll sit at home and work 2 days a month to pay for his crime says Nel 

Nel: there's no basis to say that Pistorius's legs will be taken away from him in jail @eNCAnews #OscarTrial

no basis for this assertion and in fact it is illegal to remove them from him 

#PistoriusTrial Nel: court's duty is to look at the facts + sentence (not consider whether the jails can cope or not) he says 'respectfully'

I have a sneaking suspicion that M'lady might just give him a decent sentence - she must be stung at the outrage at her decision???? 

Nel explaining that its up to the court to look at sentence, up to correctional services to accomodate inmate #OscarPistorius MV

#oscartrial Nel: if we have a correctional service that can't cater for him, we come back...but Modise made it clear they can cater for him.

Nel on Roux's Ubuntu argument: that's not a principle that can be considered in this case. It is too serious @eNCAnews #OscarTrial

#oscartrial Nel: on Ubuntu and restorative justice, it may be a tool in reconciling victims and perpetrator in small cases.

ubuntu deals with small cases - this is not small it's serious so society demands imprisonment 

Nel: it doesn't happen often but I do agree with Mr Roux that OP should never own a gun again

Nel ask the court that #OscarPistorius be sentenced to 10 years in prison. #OscarPistorius #sabcnews

10 years minimum 

10 years is the minimum Nel wants - 15 years minus 5 suspended so 10 as a minimum

Nel concludes. Roux has five corrections. First one about the shower. #OscarTrial #OscarPistorius

Nel recommends that the judge sentence Pistorius to 15 years in prison with five suspended. #OscarPistorius

so a perching stool stops the necessity for grab rails 

On video of reconstruction - it was done to assist the court, it was sold to media in contravention of our agreement, Roux says #oscartrial

Roux addresses the "blood money" - just look at the Steenkamp press release, it was Pistorius offering money left, right and centre.

Roux says The Evidence Room video leak had nothing to do with them, sold against their wishes and breaking confidentiality clause.

#OscarTrial Roux says Oscar's shower has a pedestal in it. Says video re-enactment was sold to media, not released by legal team.

Roux says it wasn't a 'small case' that he cited in argument for restorative approach, it was a murder #oscartrial

Roux is done #OscarPistorius MV

Nel says he just wants to address something about the shower/bench/railing issue #OscarPistorius MV

#OscarTrial Nel jumps back onto his feet wanting to address the shower issue. 'If you can get by with a bench, can be arranged'.

#PistoriusTrial Nel says a bench can be taken into any jail shower

Masipa says she is "very impressed" with the way Nel and Roux assisted the court. "We will reconvene on Tuesday next week at 9.30."

#PistoriusTrial Reconvene on Tuesday Oct 21 for actual sentencing. 0930

As the court pleases we will be back on Tuesday to hear his fate 

I'm off for a snooze 

Alex Crawford - Mr Pistorius are you ready for jail!!! Did she really think he would answer her? 

phew just caught up. . thanks again ladies

11am news came on before I started reading and as the news announcer said the words Oscar Pis... I stuck my fingers in my ear and went lalalalala in case the verdict had been given before I read the thread.. 

Seemingly not tho. . So OP will walk 'free' on Tuesday now?

Sentencing scheduled to take place next Tuesday morning at

 8.30 am UK time

How long does sentencing take? Are they just rehashing the whole trial?

I live in hope that Masipa will have been stung by the criticisms of her judgement of him and will indeed give a custodial sentence exceeding 3 years - he does not deserve to toddle off twice a month to do a few hours cleaning for killing some one then return to UA posh comfortable house 

allegedly M'Lady will take approximately an hour to read out her decision - could be shorter/longer but around about that time then I hope it's 'take the prisoner down' 

I'm not sure that being critical of the judge will help get him the sentence he's after for OP.

I agree Yogi but I think he like a lot of other people feel she's already made up her mind so it doesn't matter what he says, she'll ignore it any way but I do think it's a bit childish although I understand his reasons

I know...I'm looking all over flipping you tube to find it 

too late...I have a keen interest in golf  makes it all the better though 

Just caught up - ace job!!  thank you Pengy   and Dame 

Very powerful from Nel  

Lets hope so Pengy 

I totally agree that her mind was made up before the sentencing arguments began, and I understand Nel was frustrated at the verdict but I feel that little digs at the judge/judgement is neither professional nor helpful.

I'm hoping that will happen to Pengy 

thanks Pengy, you are a star and thanks for the texts too ...all I wanted to do was head home and switch the TV on 

I felt the excuses for a non custodial sentence were piss poor for want of any better words.  I cheered most of what Nel said and I haven't had chance to watch it all, I thought Nel was extremely emotional at the beginning.... determination for justice instead of a pay cheque defence any time. If nothing else he's broke (still don't believe it) and hopefully a jail term to come 

Failing that if she is all for the soft option and no imprisonment she should give him a bit of what I've just been thru as a slap on the wrist. .

Had an abscessed tooth extraction today, and despite being loaded up with injections, the minute he tried to pull it out it was so bluddy painful I screamed and writhed involuntarily in the chair. .was never so embarrassed in my life, but have never had so much pain in a tooth extraction as I had today.. two more rounds of injections before the pain was at a point where I could bear it while he tugged to get the tooth out..

Now OP, lets see you do Marathon man and see if you scream like a girly as I did today 

There I was anxious as eck all morning cos of the trapped feelings I get in  the chair and my agoraphobia making me want to leg it home but I should have been stressed about the actual treatment this time 

OMG Olly that sounds like hell 

can I wish OP to take you pain a hundred fold 

Oh yes!

Yikes!! What an ordeal Olly 

Pengy, you have been awesome over the course of the trial. Thank you so much for your determination covering it for me, a techy ignoramous. I've loved penguinini's [sp?] contributions to Twitter, especially as I'm not on Twitter!  

Dame and Yogs have been great contributors too.  I know me and Rog who drop in and comment have soaked it all up and its been lovely to know that Olly and others have also enjoyed the banter here too. So on behalf of us readers of the thread, well done us!    

Hopefully we can really let rip after Tuesday though! 

I do hope we can maybe find another topical issue or legal event that we could discuss in the same way. 

Aww... just read your account of the dentist Olly!  

I second what Xochi says!  

Top notch coverage - love how Pengy and Dame fetch things from different sources, and bring it all together. Also Pengy's insights into SA culture are fascinating.

Well done and THANK YOU ! 

Judge Pengy  

Judge Dame   

awww Thanks all 

aww shucks you lot, it's been a pleasure 

It's been interesting, sad and funny, downside is I've spent so much time with Pengy I'm walking like one 

Hope we get a good result Tuesday, least I'm not working 

Olly, sorry to read about your horrendous day...hope you're feeling much better now 

Ouch Olly!

I once had a wisdom tooth which didn't have enough room to get through the gum and it developed an abscess. I had to have the gum lanced and the tooth dug out (for want of a better phrase) and the gum stitched. I have never known pain like it, so you have my sympathy and I hope the pain eases off soon.

 Eeeeek! Sounds horrendous Yogi   

 It was years ago but it was blooming agony, so I have an idea what poor Olly is suffering atm.

Blimey Yogi that sounds awful

I have had a few teeth extracted before and not a one of them hurt at all, and I wasn't worried about the extraction only stressed and anxious about being trapped in the chair for too long cos of my agoraphobia.. never hurt before, not even the one where the guy had his knee on my chest almost as he tugged to pulled the thing out, splintering parts of my jaw in the process.

No idea why this one was so darn painful and am so embarrassed that I actually screamed out and the waiting room was apcked when I came out too..

the abscess is still sat there under my cheek bone so am hoping it drains away before the hole heals. .am bloomin shattered today and look like I've done a few rounds with Tyson

sounds awful Olly   you're not run down or have a cold?  Sometimes when our immune systems are down, the pain increases and it takes longer to heal - hope it drains soon 

Thanks for the updates I'm going to miss sentencing

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