go read the papers now Masipa 

 Not as green as he is cabbage looking.

I'm thinking non-custodial now 

well I'm still stunned so off to ruminate and vent and we'll be back on 13th - we'll have two SA stuff to look at what with Dewani 

I wouldn't be surprised now.

I never thought him a fool...I hated how he ridiculed and laughed at witnesses and how he made them all look liars and it worked to the point Reeva never got justice. Nel did it with Oscar, but he was and his a proven liar and he did commit murder 

"Has Judge Masipa given Oscar a big kiss and R10k prize money yet?" - a lawyer friend of mine

Can someone please post if there is any word that the Dewani trial is to be televised?

I didn't mean you Dame  just people in general 

See you later folks.

I didn;t think for one minute you did Pengy 

damn he's a free man .. again!

Journo friend of OP on this morning reckons the bail hearings will be similar to the trial with witnesses to be heard again ..Yay! Maybe judgey will listen and believe this time . .doubt it tho

guy is saying the state has a good case for DE on appeal  right, I must go and sort stuff out  

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O. J. Pistorius

 

I love this guy - SA's best comedian 

I’ve always has a suspicion that many “well known” people have literally got away with murder.

Read on a law forum that the restaurant precedent now makes it unlikely that the judge will merely give him a slap on the wrists, but who knows?

I'm hearing conflicting arguements over whether the judge's verdict was "right", though interestingly those supporting her tend to be those less familiar with SA law.

Still a lot of anger over the DE issue. One poster I read says that the point of Culpable Homicide is to differentiate from the sort of situation where you're playing with a loaded gun, drop it and accidentally shoot someone: a very different situation to actually pointing and shooting the gun at someone...

not once as a warning shot but 4 times 

I agree with the DE issue 

Sorry - I was being lazy.
"DE" = Dolus Eventualis - in SA law, it's essentially "common law" murder. a lesser and distinct charge from premeditated murder (which would have been the case if OP had specifically set out with the intention to kill Reeva).

http://www.independent.co.uk/n...s-trial-9726275.html

also known as second degree murder as opposed to 1st degree which is premeditated murder   but essentially what EL just said 

I'd like to see him do some jail time ...however, the way this trial has gone , by the  time he's sentenced I reckon they will have psych reports saying he's a broken man and he's  suffered enough ! 

I think you could be right, Baz.

I really think it's a possibility Yogi .... 

poor lambikins is traumatised so he'll not be doing time  besides the prisons are overcrowded so they won't want to accommodate a 'disabled' person 

Exactly ! it's a travesty ..

I truly hope so, because this is what we were all shouting about on Friday, I love Judge Greenland, throughout the case he was convinced the state had a good case for pre-med  but he was certain of DE and what a shocker he and the rest of us got. 

While Masipa ruled that prosecutors had failed to prove explicit pre-meditation to kill Steenkamp - a decision that had been anticipated by many legal experts - she also cleared ‪#‎OscarPistorius‬ of the lesser charge of murder in the heat of the moment.

A 2008 paper by KwaZulu Natal law professor Shannon Hoctor explained 'dolus eventualis' as when a person 'foresaw the possibility that the act in question.... would have fatal consequences, and was reckless whether death resulted or not'.

Masipa said the state had not proven that Pistorius had foreseen such a possibility.

She did, however, find on Thursday that: 'A reasonable person would have foreseen if he fired shots at the door, the person inside the toilet might be struck and might die as a result.'

Chris Greenland, a retired South African high court judge, said this was a serious inconsistency.

He told MailOnline: 'I am utterly bemused that this mistake was made.
'I can't wrap my head around it. I have never seen a judge make such a big mistake especially when she had so much time to arrive at a judgement.

'It's inexplicable.

'She has misinterpreted herself with regard to the law because she herself said previously that Oscar Pistorius's defence was that he was not guilty of murder because he killed her by mistake thinking that he was shooting at an intruder.

'Now, during her verdict, she made a statement that was inconsistent because she found that he had not foreseen that he would kill the human being on the other side of the door.

'That was erroneous - she had already set out the law.

'It was a fundamental mistake.'

He believes the state would have a strong case on appeal.

Stephen Tuson, a law professor at Johannesburg's University of Witwatersrand, said the state would arguably be able to appeal on dolus eventualis (which is Latin for 'indirect intent').

'How can you shoot four bullets through a door and not foresee their death?', he told a news outlet.

^^^ if Masipa can't see the contradictions she needs to retire..  

Thanks for that recap Dame 

I read in online papers etc but the best coverage is here 

Greenland is good Rosie, youtube Judge Greenland and the OP trial, there's loads of videos 

I read some of that stuff too Dame .....I hope the outcry makes her give him a a stiff  sentence .....but I'm doubtful  

the DE would have been 15 years, here's hoping with the backlash she gives him the same sentence. CH is anything from a fine to 15 years..we can only hope 

Ta Dame  b.t.w. I love your avi... our two divas are a bit alike  

it was the first Dame avi I came to, I have Dame Judi lined up for a change...and our avi certainly was a diva in every sense of the word 

FingeRs crossed !

She sure was   I've gone all kickass since I got her  No messin'

holy sh*t, backs out of thread  

Now she was one feisty lady !