Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
he's back in the dock so we should resume soon - M'lady does like to keep us waiting 
She gets 3 out of 10 for timekeeping.
and -3 for her judgement 
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Just made it back...leccy had gone off in school and I had to run and pick the to little ones up and take them to other nans...what a rush 
Your grandkids keep you busy, Dame.
How many do you have?
yes three little boys and a teenage girl, all from the same daughter 
joking, I love them all dearly 
Just curious about something and thought I'd ask you experts...
If there had indeed been an unarmed or even an armed intruder, and he had killed the intruder, who had locked themselves away in hiding, would he even be up on charges under SA law? I am trying to ignore who it was that he actually killed and look at it from the POV that a human being was behind the door that he shot at 4 times with bullets that he held unlawfully [but wasn't found guilty of that] 
Not forgetting Riva in all this but am trying to think of it from the point that someone was going to be killed with his actions.. and how differently it would have gone if it hadn't been his GF and if he would even have been charged .. 
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
I know you like him.
I blame judgey for asking for uncle's address in open court - silly woman.
I don't and he could have said we will give you is addy later...saying that it's maybe good it's out there 
He could hardly say to judgey, "It would be a bit stupid to tell you the address now, ya chop" to judgey, when she was the chump who asked for the info in open court.
@ BIB
so because SA prisons are overcrowded he should be given a non custodial sentence - house arrest in uncle Arnies plush house and tag or corrective behaviour including anger management - you seriously couldn't make this stuff up
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Just curious about something and thought I'd ask you experts...
If there had indeed been an unarmed or even an armed intruder, and he had killed the intruder, who had locked themselves away in hiding, would he even be up on charges under SA law? I am trying to ignore who it was that he actually killed and look at it from the POV that a human being was behind the door that he shot at 4 times with bullets that he held unlawfully [but wasn't found guilty of that]
Not forgetting Riva in all this but am trying to think of it from the point that someone was going to be killed with his actions.. and how differently it would have gone if it hadn't been his GF and if he would even have been charged ..
he would have still been up on a murder charge Olly 
You can not kill someone if they are not directly threatening you as I understand it.
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Just made it back...leccy had gone off in school and I had to run and pick the to little ones up and take them to other nans...what a rush
Your grandkids keep you busy, Dame. How many do you have?
yes three little boys and a teenage girl, all from the same daughter joking, I love them all dearly
I know you love them dearly, I can tell. I bet they love you loads too.
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
I know you like him.
I blame judgey for asking for uncle's address in open court - silly woman.
I don't and he could have said we will give you is addy later...saying that it's maybe good it's out there
He could hardly say to judgey, "It would be a bit stupid to tell you the address now, ya chop" to judgey, when she was the chump who asked for the info in open court.
@ BIB
all is good, his address is out there 
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Just curious about something and thought I'd ask you experts...
If there had indeed been an unarmed or even an armed intruder, and he had killed the intruder, who had locked themselves away in hiding, would he even be up on charges under SA law? I am trying to ignore who it was that he actually killed and look at it from the POV that a human being was behind the door that he shot at 4 times with bullets that he held unlawfully [but wasn't found guilty of that]
Not forgetting Riva in all this but am trying to think of it from the point that someone was going to be killed with his actions.. and how differently it would have gone if it hadn't been his GF and if he would even have been charged ..
he would have still been up on a murder charge Olly You can not kill someone if they are not directly threatening you as I understand it.
That's my understanding too.
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
I know you love them dearly, I can tell. I bet they love you loads too.
sometimes I think
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
I know you like him.
I blame judgey for asking for uncle's address in open court - silly woman.
I don't and he could have said we will give you is addy later...saying that it's maybe good it's out there
He could hardly say to judgey, "It would be a bit stupid to tell you the address now, ya chop" to judgey, when she was the chump who asked for the info in open court.
@ BIB
all is good, his address is out there
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Just curious about something and thought I'd ask you experts...
If there had indeed been an unarmed or even an armed intruder, and he had killed the intruder, who had locked themselves away in hiding, would he even be up on charges under SA law? I am trying to ignore who it was that he actually killed and look at it from the POV that a human being was behind the door that he shot at 4 times with bullets that he held unlawfully [but wasn't found guilty of that]
Not forgetting Riva in all this but am trying to think of it from the point that someone was going to be killed with his actions.. and how differently it would have gone if it hadn't been his GF and if he would even have been charged ..
given the way M'lady has rationalised this, then no but technically yes - it would be deemed the same as Reeva's killing - an accident and he didn't realise shooting through a locked door at a perceived intruder would be anything other than an accident
I have to say though Olly, I'm still not convinced that had he been a poor black man, it would be the same. Firstly their case can take 3 years plus to come to court and they would be incarcerated all that time, they'd be too poor to get a proper defence team and almost certainly it would be easier for DE to be established rather than CH
I think this decision could cause ructions for a while to come
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
I know you love them dearly, I can tell. I bet they love you loads too.
sometimes I think
this guy on eNCA says she should give him a sentence and because of her ruling it's making it a bit dodgy for other murder convictions
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
this guy on eNCA says she should give him a sentence and because of her ruling it's making it a bit dodgy for other murder convictions
yep dangerous precedent if she doesn't
The Tie is dashing off to the airport on his hollibobs 
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
this guy on eNCA says she should give him a sentence and because of her ruling it's making it a bit dodgy for other murder convictions
yep dangerous precedent if she doesn't
one guy on DS said he was packing his and his wife's bags to take her on a SA holiday
Originally Posted by Pengy:
The Tie is dashing off to the airport on his hollibobs
with his WIFE
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Just curious about something and thought I'd ask you experts...
If there had indeed been an unarmed or even an armed intruder, and he had killed the intruder, who had locked themselves away in hiding, would he even be up on charges under SA law? I am trying to ignore who it was that he actually killed and look at it from the POV that a human being was behind the door that he shot at 4 times with bullets that he held unlawfully [but wasn't found guilty of that]
Not forgetting Riva in all this but am trying to think of it from the point that someone was going to be killed with his actions.. and how differently it would have gone if it hadn't been his GF and if he would even have been charged ..
he would have still been up on a murder charge Olly You can not kill someone if they are not directly threatening you as I understand it.
Thanks Dame and phew that's a relief tho seems in SA you can kill someone and get away with it
Originally Posted by Pengy:
The Tie is dashing off to the airport on his hollibobs
And he didn't ask you to go with him? The scoundrel!
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
this guy on eNCA says she should give him a sentence and because of her ruling it's making it a bit dodgy for other murder convictions
yep dangerous precedent if she doesn't
one guy on DS said he was packing his and his wife's bags to take her on a SA holiday
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
The Tie is dashing off to the airport on his hollibobs
And he didn't ask you to go with him? The scoundrel!
he's taken his wife Carike instead grrrr
Barry Bateman â@barrybateman <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial Roux was speaking to Johnson, who has put on her robe. Itâs just Nel whoâs absent. Roux just briefed Oscar.
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Just curious about something and thought I'd ask you experts...
If there had indeed been an unarmed or even an armed intruder, and he had killed the intruder, who had locked themselves away in hiding, would he even be up on charges under SA law? I am trying to ignore who it was that he actually killed and look at it from the POV that a human being was behind the door that he shot at 4 times with bullets that he held unlawfully [but wasn't found guilty of that]
Not forgetting Riva in all this but am trying to think of it from the point that someone was going to be killed with his actions.. and how differently it would have gone if it hadn't been his GF and if he would even have been charged ..
given the way M'lady has rationalised this, then no but technically yes - it would be deemed the same as Reeva's killing - an accident and he didn't realise shooting through a locked door at a perceived intruder would be anything other than an accident
I have to say though Olly, I'm still not convinced that had he been a poor black man, it would be the same. Firstly their case can take 3 years plus to come to court and they would be incarcerated all that time, they'd be too poor to get a proper defence team and almost certainly it would be easier for DE to be established rather than CH
I think this decision could cause ructions for a while to come
I see it like that too
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
this guy on eNCA says she should give him a sentence and because of her ruling it's making it a bit dodgy for other murder convictions
yep dangerous precedent if she doesn't
one guy on DS said he was packing his and his wife's bags to take her on a SA holiday
she'd better check it's not a safari what with all those guns
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Barry Bateman â@barrybateman <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial Roux was speaking to Johnson, who has put on her robe. Itâs just Nel whoâs absent. Roux just briefed Oscar.
Has Nel gone to the toilet?
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Barry Bateman â@barrybateman <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial Roux was speaking to Johnson, who has put on her robe. Itâs just Nel whoâs absent. Roux just briefed Oscar.
Has Nel gone to the toilet?
think he's locking and loading having knocked one of the guards out
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
The Tie is dashing off to the airport on his hollibobs
And he didn't ask you to go with him? The scoundrel!
he's taken his wife Carike instead grrrr
Silly man, he doesn't know what he's missing!
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Barry Bateman â@barrybateman <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial Roux was speaking to Johnson, who has put on her robe. Itâs just Nel whoâs absent. Roux just briefed Oscar.
Has Nel gone to the toilet?
where is is Aunt Lois
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Barry Bateman â@barrybateman <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial Roux was speaking to Johnson, who has put on her robe. Itâs just Nel whoâs absent. Roux just briefed Oscar.
Has Nel gone to the toilet?
think he's locking and loading having knocked one of the guards out
I can believe it.
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Barry Bateman â@barrybateman <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial Roux was speaking to Johnson, who has put on her robe. Itâs just Nel whoâs absent. Roux just briefed Oscar.
Has Nel gone to the toilet?
where is is Aunt Lois
No idea.
His property was sold so Barry gets his wonga
well there's a surprise
Jacques Steenkamp â@JacqueSteenkamp <small class="time"> </small>
Masipa extends #OscarPistorius 's bail until the sentencing hearing #sabcnews
we all knew that was coming
Originally Posted by Pengy:
His property was sold so Barry gets his wonga
Barry might be a chop, but he's a rich chop.
Alex Crawford â@AlexCrawfordSky <small class="time"> </small>
#PistoriusTrial Judge: if the State felt the properties were sold to enable the accused to take flight, they wd have investigated..
I think Masipa is very biased and had a sneaky feeling when she didn't commit him for a month in his assessment
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
His property was sold so Barry gets his wonga
Barry might be a chop, but he's a rich chop.
I think people possibly viewed him as a bumbling fool but the fool has all the gold
Alex Crawford â@AlexCrawfordSky <small class="time"> </small>
#PistoriusTrial Roux wd like sentencing to be Oct 13 - 16