#oscartrial Roux: abuse is different but the effect is the same... 'I've had enough' of the effect over time of disability.

#OscarPistorius Roux explaining his comparison with abused woman. She had had enough. 'The effect of abuse over time, filled cup to the brim

Roux: when that woman picks up that firearm, it's not about one punch of slap, it's about the cumulation of the 67 punches before @eNCAnews

Roux has built up a head of steam, and admits to having already summed up much of his later arguments in these preambles. #OscarPistorius

tell me these aren't just preambles or we'll be here all day 

#OscarPistorius Roux has jumped to the defence conclusion before mid morning break. He's going to hammer this home all day

Roux: state told this accused that he committed premeditated murder, got up from bed, put on legs, armed himself...@eNCAnews #OscarTrial

#OscarTrial Roux: then they called (former IO) Botha who says Pistorius put on his prosthetic legs…

#OscarPistorius At the bail applic hearing, investigating officer Hilton Botha was a crucial character saying OP shot from just outside door

#OscarTrial Roux: you get a finding in the bail app that it’s premed murder. You think the accused in court is not apprehensive?

Roux says police had no clue where Hilton Botha was getting information to base his claims on. "We need to expose this."

Roux says the State changed its case since bail application - asking why Hilton Botha wasn't called #OscarPistorius

Barry has a lot of respect for Nel but his heads of argument were difficult as he ignores things 

#OscarTrial Roux now wants to put on record that he has a "lot of respect" for Mr Nel. (Hier kom kak)

you don't need to be an Afrikaans speak to understand the last bit 

Roux - still shrill with indignation - discounts Nel's "mosaic" theory of building up evidence against #OscarPistorius

#OscarPistorius This was the orig State case: that it was pre-med murder as he'd had time to put on legs before firing. Later dropped

#OscarPistorius The photos of crime scene disproved notion he'd been on his legs when he fired. State insisted tho it was still pre-med

#OscarTrial Roux jumps on fact Nel cant use a Radio Jacaranda interview in heads. (Saw that one coming)

#oscartrial Roux: Fresco contradicted himself so many times, he was speeding - he was out to incriminate accused because he was accomplice

#oscartrial Roux: what I don't find in his 204 statement are the offences that he's getting indemnity for in turn for testifying.

Irony of #OscarPistorius's disability defence is it undoes a lifetime of insisting he is as able, or more able, than his peers. #BarryRoux

I want to see Judge Masipa put Gerrie on the naughty step 

There's something more than a little stomach turning about Pistorius using the abuse of women in his defence.

#OscarPistorius Roux says former girlfriend Samantha Taylor 'had a motive' when she gave evidence

#oscartrial Roux: Taylor doesn't know the time or place or reason why they were together - material contradiction between Taylor, Fresco.

Oscar Trial Channel ‏@OscarTrial199 10s
#oscartrial Roux: Fresco didn't tell us when last his gun was tested - in other cases where I was involved, gun was sent for testing.    

talk about clutching at straws 

#OscarPistorius Now the Tashas incident: 'He shd never have handled that firearm. He's not avoiding blame but he didnt delib pull trigger

#OscarTrial Roux: concedes that his client is guilty on the first alternative to the count - negligence.

#OscarPistorius Judge asks; So what shd this court find? Roux: He's guilty of being negligent (re Tashas incident)

#oscartrial Roux says on possession of ammunition, law doesn't say anything about putting your gun in someone else's safe.

#OscarPistorius So Roux going all out now to show OP is willing to take blame - for certain issues. He shdnt have touched gun in restaurant

#oscartrial Roux: there is nothing to gainsay his version - bring Section 205 against his father, take a statement.

#oscartrial Roux: in dealing with main charge, let's look at real common cause facts - there were 4 shots fired.

Roux says "real common cause facts" of OP case are: 1) 4 shots fired 2) subsequent to shots, door damaged by bat @eNCAnews #OscarTrial

Roux says - after prompting from Judge Masipa - that #OscarPistorius guilty of negligence in restaurant incident. So why did they contest?

#OscarTrial Roux says it's common cause that a cricket bat hit door after bullets

#OscarTrial Roux having a go at the evidence of Vermeulen and his study of the marks on the door. BB

#oscartrial Roux: Third fact is that after the shots the deceased couldn't have screamed.

doof doof doof has made a reappearance as well 

#oscartrial Roux: striking of the by the cricket bat on door would not the as loud as gunshot.

Roux now deals with confusion over sound of gunshots vs cricket bat striking door. #OscarPistorius

@karynmaughan: Roux says "real common cause facts" of OP case are: 3) after shots, Reeva couldn't have screamed @eNCAnews #OscarTrial

#OscarTrial Roux: fourth fact - there were two sets of sounds. BB

#OscarTrial Roux: to determine the timelines we looked at the telephone data. BB

#OscarPistorius Roux going thro the defence timeline, starting with phone records to try to hammer down discrepancy over sounds

#oscartrial Roux: times correlate with evidence - second sounds were at 03:17. First sounds were before 03:15 - that's all we know.

Detailed but important - Roux seeks to show how evidence of all neighbours fits #OscarPistorius version of events re. gunshots, screams etc.

Roux says roughly 5 minute gap between gunshots and second group of "bangs" - which defence says is cricket bat on door.

he's doing Carice's halp halp halp now 

#OscarTrial Roux: the accused screamed help 3 times after realising what he’d done - compare this to evidence of neighbours. It fits.

this is him screaming like a woman 

Defense argues shots fired at 3:12am. Witnesses says they heard help, help, help at 3:15am. Defense says OP banged down door at 3:17an.

#oscartrial Roux: he passed by again few mins later and everything was still normal.

#oscartrial Roux: Baba said everything was normal. If there was arguments at 02:20, he would have told us. That's fatal to Van der Merwe.

#OscarTrial Roux says fact security guard Baba was outside OP's house and didnt hear arguments is "fatal" to state's case

I'll show you many many things about Dr Stipp that cannot be, says Roux, openly contemptuous of some of #OscarPistorius neighbour's evidence

#oscartrial Roux: we know that he didn't have his shirt on, he has a fair complexion, it's not possible to see him if he's on stumps.

#oscartrial Roux: he was then on his prostheses - so the first sounds had to be shots, and second sounds the cricket bat.

Again Roux showing how state evidence from neighbours can be interpreted as backing up #OscarPistorius version.

Roux says a witness who says a man was walking in the bathroom at 3:15 could only have been #OscarPistorius with prosthesis

#OscarTrial Roux: Stipp’s claim that his call to security didn’t go through is not true. Baba reacted to the call and went to his house. BB

Roux lists times of various calls in immediate aftermath of shooting, and arrivals of doctor, guard, and friend at #OscarPistorius home.

Security Guards walked with earphone listening to music, and that's why Mr Baba never heard anything #BarryRoux

there's a very good chance this ^ is true 

#OscarPistorius Roux: Stipp sd first call didnt go thro. It did.

#oscartrial Roux: at 03:23 Dr Stipp arrived at the house...followed shortly after Baba, then Standers arrived at 03:22.

#OscarPistorius The phone records contradict the Stipps evidence. And the security responded to the call - backing up OP's timeline

"It slots in 100%" says Roux, describing various evidence of neighbours etc. (But concedes some of Dr Stipp's claims don't quite fit.)

#oscartrial Roux: at 03:41:58 ambulance arrived...the deceased was declared dead. Police arrived after accused had gone upstairs.

wee break for 15 minutes 

Huge contrast between defence and prosecution arguments. Nel focused on #OscarPistorius character. Roux preoccupied with timeline.

For Pengy, as she has been abandoned is on her own...

Enjoy

No Moonie.I am keeping her company over on Twitter.

  just what I need fankooo   yes Sezit is halping me  over on twitter and meanwhile I'm spamming the page here 

sorry about my wrong assumption Sezit

Glad you is not alone and I like reading all the comments even if I don't always watch it on telly

Enjoy your brekkie and will call in again later

Trial resumes. Roux says he'll explain why first "sounds" heard by neighbours were gunshots. #OscarPistorius

I'm bored of these sounds 

#OscarTrial Roux says Dr Stipp "desperately" wanted to assist the state.

#oscartrial Roux: Stipp says security arrived a few minutes after 03:27 when he heard a man shout for help...

Roux: the state desperately wanted the bathroom lights to be on, after the first shots. @eNCAnews #OscarTrial

Roux: When comparing his evidence with the objective facts..Dr Stipp’s evidence in regard to time chronology is patently wrong: @eNCAnews

Roux deals at length with Stipp neighbours evidence - much of which he needs the Judge to discount. #OscarPistorius

#oscartrial Roux: Stipp was so honest the he admitted not looking at accused's bathroom light. But he was wrong.

#OscarTrial Roux: Nhlengethwa says he only switched on his lights after he called security. BB

#OscarPistorius Dr Stipp was one of the first people on the scene - a radiologist who tried to administer first aid

#oscartrial Roux: Mrs Stipp tried to support her husband, she said she moved to bigger balcony, husband refuted that she went there.

#oscartrial Roux: Stipp said lights on right of bathroom window was more intense, so when he saw lights toilet was already open.

#oscartrial Roux: there is a 7th incorrect point in Stipp's evidence - he said he saw man walking in window, wife told Baba so at 03:22.

if Roux is pinning his defence on the timeline it shows imho he's lost the case already 

#OscarTrial Roux: Stipp knew that if the accused was on his prosthesis before 3:17 it was bad for the state, so he shifted the times.

#oscartrial Roux: Stipp says he heard woman screaming a few times...'as the best I could recollect'. It sounded to him like female voice.

I'm expecting any time now that Roux will confirm the polar bear did it   

#OscarPistorius After lunch, accoding to Roux, Stipp reinforced his evidence to help State by calling them 'fearful and emotional'

Defense case is that first noises were shot and "it could not have been Reeva who was screaming as she was fatally wounded" @eNCAnews

#oscartrial Roux: we have Burger hearing woman scream, Johnson goes to balcony, hears woman screaming and you have Dr Stipp hearing woman

People saying Roux not thinking much of the Stipps -I feel the opposite I think defence very concerned by their evidence- needs to reduce it

I agree - that's why he's focusing on it 

If Roux felt their evidence to be crap in the matter as a whole, he would handle it the way Nel handled Dixon's evidence yesterday.

#OscarPistorius She was corrected by her husband who sd it wasnt a woman but 'the accused' (OP's defence was he cries like a woman)

#OscarTrial Roux: you have the accused version that he fired the shots and then hit the door - supported by Vermeulen.

#OscarTrial Roux: now the state must make the second sounds the gunshots, ignore the first sounds and the cricket bat.

#oscartrial Roux repeats Burger heard four shots, her musical ear couldn't make mistake. Other witnesses heard 3 bat sounds.

#oscartrial Roux: Johnson's notes, edited and edited again, show that Burger heard 4-5 shots,

Roux questions "absolute" certainty shown by some of neighbours' regarding number of gunshots remembered. "It's not true..."

It's very important to ALWAYS remember why Roux is making such a fuss of this. He needs the court NOT to reject OP's version entirely!

I'm losing the will to live 

I believe that the timeline is more fitting with OP's version as far as external events are concerned.Still feel the internals are weak

#oscartrial Roux: he had to go back to toilet - his footprint is there on the door - Vermeulen says it's not his job to investigate that.

there does seem to be an element in SA investigations that one person does this and one person does that but no one thinks outside the box or links up their areas 

Roux: so according to state OP shot Reeva and took less than 2 minutes to scream for help, try to break door, put legs on, break down door

#oscartrial Roux: we know that Johnson, Burger, Viljoen, Nhlengethwa - the heard a man screwing and shouting help help help.

 

I just brought this to their attention 

 

 

 

#OscarPistorius Roux trying to prove the unlikelihood of OP screaming 'help, help, help' BEFORE the shooting...

#oscartrial Roux: it's common cause that he fired on stumps - it makes perfect sense...there's no mosaic crumbling, no dropping of baton.

#OscarTrial Roux: … those screams were directed at someone inside the house, not for help outside the house.

so basically OP was anxious the whole time he was in the house - having shot her I can believe that but anxious for Reeva or for what would happen to him is the big question