never noticed 

I did 

well we know the opinion of that lawyer and Psychiatrist 

turned over to bb 

Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

       

Originally Posted by Pengy:

Where is the cord? 

 

it's on holiday somewhere   Poor Mike van Aardt - gets lumbered with this case cos of Hilton Botha and it's been downhill since then with watches disappearing, items not sealed properly for testing   bet he's looking forward to retirement 

 

I blame Aimee - she put it in the handbag   along with the iphone - both walked into her bag 

 

 

I blamed Aimee from day one  She seems in the house clearance businesses 

       


I get blamed for everything round here

ermmm cos you're always to blame   but we luffs you when you're not farting for your laugh 

the lawyer said genuine remorse starts with acceptance of guilt or words to that affect and the lady agreed...they both agreed the month in Weskopies was too late and a waste of time. They can only go on what he tells them at the hospital, and went on to say just because he's never murdered before doesn't mean anything as everyone starts off with a first crime  reading between the lines the lawyer said he couldn't really say what he thought..but, more or less what we think, the remorse is more for himself than anything else...at least that's how I read it 

 

 

 

I blamed Aimee from day one  She seems in the house clearance businesses 

       


I get blamed for everything round here

look what happens when you nick extension leads...it blows all your appliances 

True, my remote is broke now

aww...ebay is your friend  *sits on remote* 

Just found this article from the Daily Hell, (sorry). 

It doesn't contain the video but has still shots pictures from it. It looks terrible and I fear it may cause a mistrial.  The defence team are up in arms about it but I wonder if it didn't come from them anyway in order to put a proper banana skin under proceedings. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...p-bathroom-door.html

Laters fellow jurors. 

that's the general consensus with legal beagles and journos Xochi - a last ditch attempt to save their client and the belief is the leak came from the defence and are protesting just a bit too much 

http://www.citypress.co.za/new...-beating-murder-rap/

1. The Stipps

Anette Stipp, who lives 72m away from Oscar Pistorius’ toilet window, tells the court: “The thing that I remember the most and the thing that I’ll never forget was the screaming.”

Stipp and her husband, Johan, reported hearing the “terrified, terrified” screams of a woman mingled with the distinct shouting of a man.

This was before what the state is calling the 3.17am bangs, or shots, that killed Steenkamp.

It means that Steenkamp was screaming before the fatal shots that killed her.

The Stipps corroborate the evidence of Michelle Burger and Charl Johnson, who also said they heard a woman screaming 177m away from their home.

But a key part of the defence’s case has been that their audio expert will testify that Pistorius could sound like a woman when he screamed and, even then, that the witnesses were too far away to hear a woman screaming with the toilet window closed.

The Stipps’ testimony represents a significant hurdle for the defence. Pistorius’ acoustic expert, Ivan Lin, told the court it was “very unlikely” that the screams could be heard 180m away, the distance to Burger and Johnson’s house.

At that range, the volume of the screams would only be half as loud as in the courtroom, with everyone keeping quiet.

However, Lin confirms that, to the Stipps, the screaming would have been “audible and intelligible”.

This means at least two witnesses who heard screaming before shots were well within earshot.

2. Reeva’s last meal

This has been another hotly contested area with state pathologist Gert Saayman testifying that although gastric, or stomach, emptying was an inexact science, he believed Steenkamp had eaten two hours before her death because he found 200ml of food in her stomach.

He said that, in most cases, the human stomach would be empty six hours after a meal.

This is in stark contrast to what Pistorius said had happened the night Steenkamp was killed. He said they had eaten just after 7pm.

But when Steenkamp died at about 3am, her stomach should have been empty when she was killed, with eight hours having passed since her last meal.

The defence went as far as calling an anaesthetist, Professor Christina Lundgren, to testify about the variety of factors that could delay gastric emptying, including exercise, sleep and insoluble fibres in the chicken stir-fry meal the couple had eaten.

But state prosecutor Gerrie Nel was doubtful saying there was a reason anaesthetists always advised patients not to eat six hours before anaesthesia, which could have mortal consequences.

“I’m sure you haven’t warned your patients not to have stir-fry [before an operation],” said Nel.

3. The bedroom conspiracy

For the court to buy Pistorius’ version of events, it will have to accept that police officers moved various objects around his bedroom and substantially altered the crime scene.

All these items could not have been positioned the way they were in the photographs because they would either be in Pistorius’ way or prevent him from leaving the scene as he said he had done.

Nel said: “So a policeman must have, let’s start, opened the curtains wider, moved the fans, switched the light on and ensured that the denims were on top of the duvet because that is important, if the police put it next to the duvet, that is not important.”

“Correct, My Lady,” responded Pistorius.

“Why would the police do that?” asked Nel.

“I don’t know,” he said.

The state has tried to paint a picture of Pistorius and Steenkamp having a fight, that her bag was packed and she was on her way out.

But the defence’s argument that police interfered wantonly at the crime scene was this week boosted when it emerged that an extension cord seen in a police photo appears to have gone missing.

4. Pistorius – was he mortally afraid ?

For Pistorius to get off the murder charge, his testimony about his state of mind at the time of the shooting will be imperative – a putative self-defence plea has failed in the past purely because the accused has refused to testify.

Putative self-defence means that, even though a person had not yet been attacked, they believed that their life was in danger.

The test that our courts apply is whether a reasonable person, under the same circumstances, would have acted in the same way.

If a reasonable person in Pistorius’ position would have done the same thing, it means that the most the Paralympian can be found guilty of is culpable homicide.

All the experts agree, Pistorius fared very poorly under cross-examination. Under cross-examination, Nel has accused him of “lying”, of “adapting” his story and becoming emotional to avoid difficult questions.

Many witnesses called by the defence in the weeks after the athlete testified were contacted only after his cross-examination, giving rise to speculation that they were brought in to help shore up Pistorius’ testimony.

Perhaps the most important of these is Professor Wayne Derman, the defence’s star witness, who was called on Wednesday.

He has known Pistorius for six years.

Derman testified about the fight-or-flight response, an automatic, reflex reaction that causes people to fight or try and escape in the face of a perceived harmful event, attack or threat to survival.

His testimony has shown that Pistorius, as a disabled person with a more pronounced and severe fight-or- flight reflex, is incredibly vulnerable and anxious.

Derman’s evidence has to be accepted because it provides the only explanation as to why Pistorius would approach the danger if he was in mortal fear of his life.

Pistorius’ lawyers will argue that all these factors must be taken into account when applying the test of whether Pistorius acted reasonably under the circumstances.

But Nel has already made it clear what he will be arguing.

“You’re trying, Mr Pistorius, it’s not working. Your version is so improbable that nobody would ever think it’s reasonably possibly true, it’s impossible,” he told the athlete under cross-examination.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfr...n-Australia-20140707

Oscar re-enactment only broadcast in Australia

2014-07-07 07:51

The Afrikaans daily said it had watched the video via Skype with the help of some of its readers in Australia.

It was broadcast by Channel 7 at 12.45 SA time.

Running Scared

Beeld said the documentary entitled Running Scared shows the Paralympian walking and running on his stumps, his sister Aimee lying in the bathroom next to the toilet, Pistorius picking Aimee up and carrying her down the stairs and Pistorius himself lying next to the toilet.

It also shows Pistorius screaming "Get out! Get out of my ****ing house!", and "God, help, please help me!", and repeatedly: "Reeva! Reevaaaaaa!".

The first scene shows Pistorius in the house of his uncle, Arnold, walking on his stumps on two Persian carpets. The second scene shows him walking much faster on the same carpets, with his right arm stretched out in front of him as if he was holding a pistol.

It also shows a reconstruction of him firing four shots through the toilet door.

Then it shows him, wearing his prosthesis, kneeling down and placing his sister at the bottom of the staircase in his uncle's house.

'Breach of trust'

His lawyers issued a statement on Sunday evening, describing the broadcast as a "staggering breach of trust" and an invasion of the family's privacy.

Lawyer Brian Webber said Channel 7 had purchased the footage unlawfully.

"In addition, during our engagement with Channel 7, we received an undertaking that they would not air any of the material before the end of the trial.

"While we cannot imagine how any of the footage would not support Oscar's version, we will only be in a position to comment further once we have had the opportunity to study what has been aired."

Webber explained that in October last year, the defence team engaged the services of The Evidence Room, a US-based company specialising in forensic animation.

"The company was engaged to visually map the events on the night of the accident. As part of this process, certain video footage was filmed.

"The visual mapping was for trial preparation only and was not intended to be used for any other purpose."

Pistorius has pleaded not guilty to murder in the North Gauteng High Court.

He said he shot Steenkamp by accident through the locked door of his toilet in his Pretoria home on 14 February 2013, thinking she was an intruder.

The State argues he killed her during an argument.

morning  

Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

       

Originally Posted by Aimee:

True, my remote is broke now

 

 

aww...ebay is your friend  *sits on remote* 

       


Can you get any remote? I'm with virgin and I've asked for a new one before and they never sent one

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Replac...dia/sim/B003WCSID4/2  

The most important question to be answered at #OscarTrial today will be: Is it finally over?

I think a few will be asking this 

morning 

The snippet of Reeva's parents talking in the documentary was taken from an earlier interview and not done for this awful effort..I hope she sues their ass off, or Uncle Arnie's. As far as I can make out, he commissioned it and paid for it The more I think about it, the more revulsion I feel 

show time 

Wayne Derman looks rather tired as his sits in the stand awaiting another round with prosecutor Nel. #OscarPistorius

so no mention of the video? 

#OscarTrial Nel was about to start, but Oldwadge first wants to deal with an objection raised last week. BB

not so far Pengy...mind Oldtithead is making such a big thing about the running, wonder if the defence wants to trap Nel into bringing it in 

fecking starting with him is not a great start to my Monday morning 

Oldfart is very trixy 

Did Oldfart say Nel needs to apologise?   or do we hate him so much we're attributing so much evil to him 

Judge thanks Oldwadge. Nel says Oldwadge said on Thursday he should apologise, but he says he doesn't owe anyone an apology. #oscartrial

I'm not sure..maybe Nels mixed up with apologies 

as it pleases the court 

I'm muting the sound every time Oldfeckerfacace speaks 

tell me when this is over Pengy 

Good morning OPT'ers

For Dameee and Pengy

Have a great day Trialers

*heads back to bed*

As it pleases the Court I'm muting the sound whenever Oldfecker speaks #droningvoice #oscartrial

think the Judge is as confused with what Oldfecker is on about - someone made the point that if Oldwage was leading the defence, we'd still be on Darren Fresco's evidence due to all the objections he makes 

time wasting 

Nel agrees to say that "I could have made it more clear". Oldwadge happy. We continue. @eNCAnews

it's like Oldfecker [love that name for him] wants to score tiny little points against Nel - kind of a save the pennies and the pounds take care of themselves but it should be the big picture he should concentrate on surely 

Frank...Moonie   git back here today or I'm gonna deal with you  thank you me lovely  

history methinks Pengy 

fankoo