Derman grins at Nel. Nel asks for that smile to be put on the record. #OscarPistorius

glad he's taking this seriously 

Nel on notes: "Mr Oldwadge would have been up by now if I'm wrong... Why did you tell us before the break you made no notes?"

YES YES YES 

#Oscartrial Now a spat over whether Derman made contemporaneous notes or not (about what OP told him about the shooting)

rings and running is springing to mind 

Nel says Derman wrote that 'subsequently' Pistorius realised the third sound was a magazine rack...subsequent to what?

#OcarTrial Nel: I'm not going away, lets deal with it.

could they rule this testimony out...he won't answer Nel's questions 

he is a very hostile witness IMO 

Derman: "There can be three response to a startle: a freeze, a fight or a flight."

Nel oñ Notes: Mr Old Kenny would have been up by now. He wasn't sleeping he is just drunk

 

he is either very defensive about is capabilities or a arrogant a$se...most probably both 

I'd ask David but he never answers people's questions? 

how rude 

Derman: When the fight and flight kicks in, there is less blood to that part of the brain therefore less thinking occurs

I'm going with the latter 

it obviously ran the other way...I was reading he had a fling with a Russian model while he was going out with Reeva 

#Oscartrial Nel: Not even OP linked the possibility of a burglar to his disability. Derman says OP plays down his disability.

I was a bit gobsmacked when he said that...it goes against everything they are arguing about doesn't it ? 

  he's a contradiction in terms 

That is where bias comes in, says Nel now. He and Derman quibble over what each said, and heard. Tetchy stuff. Judge objects

Derman objects again to Nel's habit of putting statements to him, not asking questions. #OscarPistorius

guess this is a State tactic 

he's conceded he did have to think...sort of  

What Nel's driving at seems to be: can you have more than one of the three FFF responses to the same startle response?

I'm sure if Derman ever answers a question, we'll get an answer 

He doesn't understand his own theories 

This a great line by Nel. Goes to the dolus directus crime - he intentionally and knwingly wanted to kill whoever was behind the door.

If I was a witness I'd find it scary when Gerrie says 'I find it strange' 

go Judgie 

I think the Judgie clicked on he's being evasive 

Nel: "Why?" D says he's not sure what point Nel is trying to make.Nel: that's the problem, you're s trying to guess my tactics,not answer qu

and that's the crux of the matter   and he got another telling off from Judgie 

he's not so confident now he's not commandeering the court 

Now he's arguing with Nel but for once I think witness was right - Nel on the norty step with M'lady so has to withdraw that comment of not believing him 

why didn't Oldfart or Roux object?

Derman: It is "unprofessional" of Mr Nel to say what I said is not true. Masipa forces Nel to withdraw it.

yes...he should cut the not true stuff out, because he's tying him in knots without it  

Derman has been standing through out his testimony. He sways slightly, clearly irritated.

Is it odd that the defence aren't objecting more? Perhaps they think the witness can stick up for himself.

he'll be collapsing before the days out 

his he just playing dumb or not listening 

Point is you can't be in multiple modes to one startle. Once he leaves the freeze mode to the first startle, he can't now rely on fight mode

Nel: Where would be the latest for the response to have effect? Derman: "I can't make head or tail of that question

to be fair, Nel does have a habit of putting statements rather than questions - again a tactic to confuse the witness but it could backfire as this witness won't play ball and is appealing to M'lady who seems to be taking his side