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Van Zyl says it was obvious that was aware of his safety/sense of awareness

 

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Van Zyl: had a "a heightened sense of awareness". We'd travel to the airport and Mr "would be driving quite fast".

worried about safety/hijackings

 

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VZ recounts another incident in New York where they heard a loud bang in the street. Says OP grabbed him by the arm and then released.

 

 

reinforcing how OP was security conscious 

FM

Van Zyl says in public places, restaurants, Pistorius would always be sitting with a clear view of spaces around him.

 

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VZnce took legs off on plane because of blisters. Air hostess leant down to pick up leg that had rolled in aisle. OP startled.

 

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: Van Zyl: Only recall two occasions when OP lost temper, abusive questions from media  

FM
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

 

 

I know Pengy...the defence is looking more sleazy or incompetent by the day, rushed in to try and tailor evidence isn't a good look   I think this guy is a good witness, and tried to cover all area's but some some details were left out when he conducted this and if it wasn't exact then it certainly isn't now. As for the screams at 177 metre's we all know that is possible 

he's credible in as much as he was as thorough as he could be given the information and the tests carried out to the best of his ability - I'm just not sure that under the test-retest scenario that all empirical scientific tests need, he accurate recreated the conditions for it to be of use in this trial.

 

also, this evidence is very dry and people will have glossed over it like I have 

 

On twitter they're saying the Wolmarans of Lurve should take him out for a beer and a steak dinner - I suggested that might prove problematic due to Wollie not being able to hear much and Mr Lin being very softly spoken 

Excellent! 

Xochi

 

 

someone typed this out over yonder >>>>>

 

thought you might like a little recap, if I remember rightly it sort of fits Mrs Burgers testimony. 

 

Annett Stipp's Evidence ( and I've added some timings into this to see how it could all add up to the timing of the shots )

AS : I’m an occupational therapist doing medical legal work.

Nel : Madam, on the evening of 13th-14th February early morning an incident happened that caused this trial. Now, you went to bed and during the night you woke up.

AS : That’s correct

Nel : What caused you to wake up?

AS : I was slightly flu-ish so I had a bout of coughing, which woke me up. I was lying in my bed contemplating whether I should do something about it, drink some water or just see if it passes. So I looked over at my husband’s side where the clock radio was on his bed side table and saw that it was 03:02. I then decided to rather drink something so as not to wake him up as well with the coughing. As I was in the process of getting up I heard 3, which sounded to me like gunshots [3:03]. I immediately asked my husband did he hear that and he said yes it was gunshots. At that stage I was sort of sitting on the side of my bed and I could see the lights on in the two houses that I could see from my bedroom window or from the balcony window [03:04].

Nel : Let’s deal with that. (gets photos). The house that one can see with the red arrow, you saw that window?

AS : That’s correct

Nel : And the light was on

AS : That’s correct

Nel : You said that your husband said it was gunshots, that you got up, that he got up, You sat on the bed, you saw the lights on, what happened then?

AS : I said first to my husband to maybe not go out as we didn’t know where the shots were coming from [03:04] and then it was moments after the shots I heard a lady screaming. Terrified, terrified screaming. We went out onto the balcony to see if we can ascertain where the screaming was coming from, but we couldn’t, we could only still see the 2 houses, the lights were on [03:06]. We then moved onto the bigger balcony [03:07] as we do have a better view from there, um, the screaming at that stage just continued, it didn’t stop during that period that we were walking out. I said to my husband it sounds to me as if there is a family murder, why else would a woman scream like that ‘cos she really sounded terrified. [03:09] He then said that well then he’s going to go and help ‘cos there could be children involved [03:10]. At one stage it sounded to me as if the screams were coming closer and I said to my husband is there someone not coming down the street screaming? [03:11]. I said to him I wonder which house it was coming from and he said well there was a man moving in the house on the left hand side [03:12]. So at that stage he went inside as we decided to get help [03:13]. He walked inside, tried 10111 which we could not get through [03:14/15]. I then decided I must maybe go and help with my own phone as he was trying to get dressed [03:16] trying to phone, everything at the same time. And as I turned to go in I again looked at the clock radio and then it said 03:17 – real-time 03:14/15

Our clock radio is usually about 3 -4 minutes fast so it’s not the exact time. So, and then just as I went inside we heard 3 more shots [03:19/20 – real-time 03:16/17]. [Mike calls security 03:16:30 – after wife heard one shot, was it a 1st shot to hip at say 03:15 while Stipp was inside bedroom calling 10111? Johnson’s call to security ends at 03:16 then hears petrified screams/shots 03:17]. My husband then screamed at me to please get away from the windows ‘cos we didn’t know what was going on at that time. I said to him that he must maybe try another phone number ‘cos I know the children had an educational talk and they were given another number to try from a cell phone should they not get through to 10111. I gave him the number which obviously wasn’t correct ‘cos it wasn’t working. We then tried security [03:19/20 – real-time 03:16/17]. I cannot say exactly how long but it was a very short period after that security arrived at our house [real-time approx. 03:19 – OP is now meanwhile calling Johan Stander]. [OP standing on stairs 03:22/23, 5 minutes after head shot at 03:17, carries Reeva down as Stander arrives 03:22/3].

I then moved onto the smaller balcony to tell them that this is not the house, it’s coming from the house where the lights are on, on the left side. And they must please phone the police we couldn’t get through and there were already 6 shots fired. And that’s when they left.

Nel : Now, the screaming, could you still hear the screaming?

AS : I could still hear the screaming up until the 3rd, the second set of shots, I also heard a man screaming, ‘cos I remember saying to my husband ‘the husband or the man is also now screaming’. I could not hear what he was screaming, I could not make out words, but it was a definite male voice. After the second set of shots it just became quiet. I heard no more screaming either male or female.

Nel : Your evidence was that your husband told you he saw a man walking, did you see that man walking?

AS : I did not see that man walking. I am aware of that in my statement or affidavit and without consultation I said to them I’ve really thought about this and I did not see the man myself. I remember my husband saying it must be the house on the left ‘cos he saw a man walking past the window.

Nel : You said you also heard a man screaming

AS : That’s correct

Nel : Did you first hear a woman and then a man, or how was the screaming?

AS : After the first set of shots there was definitely a female screaming for quite a period, and then almost just before the second set of shots there was a male voice in between that you could definitely hear two different voices. And then the shots and then quiet.

(Run through photos)

Nel : You said that when you looked out that the light was on in the two houses opposite.

AS : That’s correct

Nel : Could you establish if one of the windows were open or closed?

AS : The house on the right there was no open windows. It was almost the whole top storey’s lights were on, and then the house on the left, you could see the two sets of windows, the bigger window it looked like sliding windows and the one side was slid open. (they look at photo 925)

Nel : Are those the windows you were referring to?

AS : Yes, that’s correct

Nel : And you said the lights were on?

AS : That’s correct

Nel : And you still remember which of the windows were open?

AS : If you look at the three from my side orientation it would be the left one was open (indicates on screen)

Nel : At first when you sat on the bed your evidence was that the light was on?

AS : That’s correct

Nel : And further on when you did whatever you did, did the condition of the light change?

AS : No, it remained on.

Nel : Now, just for completeness sake, have a look at photo 920. (AS identifies her house and OP’s house)

Nel : But then during this year on 21st Feb, there was another incident

AS : That’s correct

Nel : What happened?

AS : We woke up during the night from what sounded like people arguing. I asked my husband does he hear that and he said yes and I said to him there’s just no way you’re getting up this time, we’re staying where we are. They must sort it out. But the arguing continued and he said but he can’t just leave it and I said yes we can. So then the dogs started barking quite furiously so we went out to quiet them, and we went back into the house closing the balcony doors and went to bed. 
The next morning neighbours of ours came to see if we could hear the commotion the previous night, we said we could but we chose to ignore it at that stage. And they said well there were people in our garden, our little bit of grass that’s there in the front, which we then assumed would probably be sound tests.

Nel : But that’s not all

AS : Again on the night of 17th March, morning of 18th we again woke up from what this time was screams. We could hear at that stage it was what sounded like a male screaming at a higher pitch and then at a lower pitch. I was completely annoyed ‘cos it was again 3.30 in the morning. So I said to my husband I’m sure it’s sound tests again, so I went out onto the balcony and saw two males standing in our garden and I made some comments and then went back into the house.

Nel : You said it was a male screaming at a high pitch and a low pitch

AS : That’s correct

Nel : Now the screams you heard that night, when the incident happened, did you hear that again?

AS : No, no, not at all the same, ‘cos these were separate screams not a continuous screaming and this time you could almost certainly make out that it was male and the previous time was absolutely female.

Nel : Your husband went to the scene, he gave evidence, he went to the scene, he came back?

AS : He came back at around 4.20 round about then, I asked him what had happened. At that stage he wasn’t very talkative because I think he was upset, he looked a bit upset, he said to me that it was the man who killed his girlfriend. So I asked him what did this man look like – he said to me well he was very muscular and he had tattoos on his back, but he didn’t pay much attention to the male as his main concern was the female. So we were in bed at about 4.30/4.40 we had a call and it was Mr Stander that had called my husband to just make sure of his telephone number and he was told that he would be contacted by Oscar’s lawyer. Which we still did not put 2 and 2 together, so um, we didn’t sleep any further, we tried to sleep but we didn’t.

Nel : So even when your husband came back you never knew it was this accused that was involved in the shooting?

AS : That’s correct

Nel : When did you establish that?

AS : The next morning I am part of a chat group, a WhatsApp chat group and all the girls started sharing their Valentines mornings what their husbands or boyfriends did for them and I just said to them we had a very crappy start to ours, ‘cos our neighbour killed his girlfriend. So they said to me and everyone’s response was that was terrible and I said it was and the thing that I remember the most and I don’t think I’ll ever forget was the screaming.
So we then got the children ready for school, my husband left to go to work, I opened the back door for my domestic worker at 7.45 and she asked me what happened the previous night. I said to her why, did she hear it, she said yes, she’s usually awake at about 3/3.15 talking to her husband and she heard this woman screaming. She at first thought it was a baby but going out and listening more carefully she determined that it was a woman. I told her that we had an incident across the road, so I started working at about 8am on the computer which is in the study on the other side of the house and at about 8.20 I got a call from a friend and she said to me, have I listened to the news, and I said to her no why, she says ‘cos I am sure that the person you were talking about this morning is Oscar Pistorius. And that’s when I found out the first time.

Nel : Now, in this matter Mrs vdM gave evidence, did you know her before this incident?

AS : No I didn’t

Nel : and also Mrs Burger gave evidence, did you know her before this incident?

AS : No I didn’t

Nel : And Mr Johnson her husband, did you know them at all?

AS : No I did not.

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

 

 

thanks for all the updates Pengy ...I will be here in the morning 

I reckon it will finish witness wise tomorrow and then we'll have summing up for a couple of days then M'lady will be off for 4 weeks to make her decision 

 

I was under the impression she will give them a couple of days off to sort out the summing up....unless Nel calls OP to the stand again

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

 

 

thanks for all the updates Pengy ...I will be here in the morning 

I reckon it will finish witness wise tomorrow and then we'll have summing up for a couple of days then M'lady will be off for 4 weeks to make her decision 

 

I was under the impression she will give them a couple of days off to sort out the summing up....unless Nel calls OP to the stand again

well he does have that option to re-examine OP now the psych report has been concluded  so we could have an adjournment tomorrow till next week? 

FM
Originally Posted by Yogi19:

I thought only the defence could call or recall the defendant to the stand, after which the prosecutor could then cross examine. Is it different in SA?

the psych report has opened the door for Nel to recall OP and re-examine him should he wish to do so - that Martin Hood said so on the Sky news programme last night 

FM
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:

I thought only the defence could call or recall the defendant to the stand, after which the prosecutor could then cross examine. Is it different in SA?

the psych report has opened the door for Nel to recall OP and re-examine him should he wish to do so - that Martin Hood said so on the Sky news programme last night 

Okay, thanks Pengy.

Yogi19
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:

I thought only the defence could call or recall the defendant to the stand, after which the prosecutor could then cross examine. Is it different in SA?

 

 

it would be car crash TV Yogi...bring it on  

This trial is bringing out your  side.

I think everyone is so fed up with this trial now they just all want it to be over   except us cos we're ghouls 

FM
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:

I thought only the defence could call or recall the defendant to the stand, after which the prosecutor could then cross examine. Is it different in SA?

 

 

it would be car crash TV Yogi...bring it on  

This trial is bringing out your  side.

I think everyone is so fed up with this trial now they just all want it to be over   except us cos we're ghouls 

I was just thinking that Roux must be saying prayers every night - "Please Lord, let this trial be over!"

Yogi19
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
 

it would be car crash TV Yogi...bring it on  

This trial is bringing out your  side.

 

 

I think it might be the worst thing that will happen to him Yogi, sadly 

Do you think he might get off?

 

 

I'm not sure Yogi, I hope not! I think whatever happened he deserves some punishment, the national hero status worries me 

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:

I thought only the defence could call or recall the defendant to the stand, after which the prosecutor could then cross examine. Is it different in SA?

 

 

it would be car crash TV Yogi...bring it on  

This trial is bringing out your  side.

I think everyone is so fed up with this trial now they just all want it to be over   except us cos we're ghouls 

 

speak for yourself  

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
 

it would be car crash TV Yogi...bring it on  

This trial is bringing out your  side.

 

 

I think it might be the worst thing that will happen to him Yogi, sadly 

Do you think he might get off?

 

 

I'm not sure Yogi, I hope not! I think whatever happened he deserves some punishment, the national hero status worries m

Has the trial not changed that status at all?

 

Yogi19
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
 

 

I'm not sure Yogi, I hope not! I think whatever happened he deserves some punishment, the national hero status worries m

Has the trial not changed that status at all?

 

 

 

you wouldn't think so seeing him going into court and all his groupies Yogi, and one court security guard all but hugs him when they meet 

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
 

 

I'm not sure Yogi, I hope not! I think whatever happened he deserves some punishment, the national hero status worries m

Has the trial not changed that status at all?

 

 

 

you wouldn't think so seeing him going into court and all his groupies Yogi, and one court security guard all but hugs him when they meet 

 

Yogi19
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
 

it would be car crash TV Yogi...bring it on  

This trial is bringing out your  side.

 

 

I think it might be the worst thing that will happen to him Yogi, sadly 

Do you think he might get off?

 

 

I'm not sure Yogi, I hope not! I think whatever happened he deserves some punishment, the national hero status worries m

Has the trial not changed that status at all?

 

I've said on here many times that SA forgive their heroes at the drop of a hat - think Hansie Cronje [chucking cricket games and getting the black or mixed raced players to take the risks], James Small [wife beater] James Dalton [tried to drown wife in swimming pool], Japie Mulder [interfered with his best friends 15 year old daughter]   all forgiven and rehabilitated with indecent haste back into SA society except Hansie Cronje who is now dead due to his plane crashing into a mountain 

 

He [OP] won't get back the success he had or the earning potential but he'll sell a book or two and try to make money cos I reckon Barry has bled him almost dry 

FM
Originally Posted by Pengy:
 

 

I've said on here many times that SA forgive their heroes at the drop of a hat - think Hansie Cronje [chucking cricket games and getting the black or mixed raced players to take the risks], James Small [wife beater] James Dalton [tried to drown wife in swimming pool], Japie Mulder [interfered with his best friends 15 year old daughter]   all forgiven and rehabilitated with indecent haste back into SA society except Hansie Cronje who is now dead due to his plane crashing into a mountain 

 

He [OP] won't get back the success he had or the earning potential but he'll sell a book or two and try to make money cos I reckon Barry has bled him almost dry 

 

 

and with crap experts  its like he paid cash in hand for the cheapest possible 

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
 

Nah, I think he just wants it to be over. 

 

Probably for the best, he wouldn't get the job anyway 

 I really don't think he'd want it.

unless Uncle Arnie and Auntie Lois dip into their pockets, I think OP will be using legal aid soon 

FM
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
 

it would be car crash TV Yogi...bring it on  

This trial is bringing out your  side.

 

 

I think it might be the worst thing that will happen to him Yogi, sadly 

Do you think he might get off?

 

 

I'm not sure Yogi, I hope not! I think whatever happened he deserves some punishment, the national hero status worries m

Has the trial not changed that status at all?

 

I've said on here many times that SA forgive their heroes at the drop of a hat - think Hansie Cronje [chucking cricket games and getting the black or mixed raced players to take the risks], James Small [wife beater] James Dalton [tried to drown wife in swimming pool], Japie Mulder [interfered with his best friends 15 year old daughter]   all forgiven and rehabilitated with indecent haste back into SA society except Hansie Cronje who is now dead due to his plane crashing into a mountain 

 

He [OP] won't get back the success he had or the earning potential but he'll sell a book or two and try today to make money cos I reckon Barry has bled him almost dry 

 Barry is a man of honour, I'll have you know!

Yogi19
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
 

unless Uncle Arnie and Auntie Lois dip into their pockets, I think OP will be using legal aid soon 

 

 

the Pistorious family are loaded, I have a lot less doubt than you he's broke...two properties disappeared when he applied for bail 

I know the family are loaded but it's all OPs uncles money not via OPs dad Henke who seems to have p****d all his money away and whether the uncles will pay.  I think OP is next to broke   those houses of his are only worth about ÂĢ650,000 each at a push and Barry is about 20K a day and the trial has gone on for 7 weeks plus Who ate all the pies Oldwadge and the team and then the non expert experts - small change is all that's left 

FM

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