I'm assuming the PTSD and depression is post-shooting? I can understand that and accept that but I hope they make this clearer 
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Barry Bateman â@barrybateman <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial Versfeld: Oscar relies on sight to see where his legs are. This explains why his balance is worse in the dark. BB
not sure I believe this - I think over the years he would have adapted light or no light 
I'm not sure that I disbelieve it, Pengy. I know that my balance isn't as good in the pitch dark and I have fully functioning legs.
and I'm disabled with knees that give out a lot but I can still function fully in the dark when popping to the loo of a night in the dark and I go to the loo a lot
Well I bang into walls all the time.
Actually, my legs aren't fully functioning if you take into account my arthritic hip.
Originally Posted by Pengy:
and I'm disabled with knees that give out a lot but I can still function fully in the dark when popping to the loo of a night in the dark and I go to the loo a lot
I have arthritic knees and don;t have a problem with balance in the dark...well, apart from when I've had a drink
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
He reminds me of an angry wasp. I want to swat him.
noooooooooooooooooooooooo 
Originally Posted by Pengy:
I'm assuming the PTSD and depression is post-shooting? I can understand that and accept that but I hope they make this clearer
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
He reminds me of an angry wasp. I want to swat him.
noooooooooooooooooooooooo
*wrestles fly swat from Yogz hands to protect Gerrie and Dame's sanity*
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
and I'm disabled with knees that give out a lot but I can still function fully in the dark when popping to the loo of a night in the dark and I go to the loo a lot
I have arthritic knees and don;t have a problem with balance in the dark...well, apart from when I've had a drink
I don't drink, so I can't blame the booze.
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
He reminds me of an angry wasp. I want to swat him.
noooooooooooooooooooooooo
*wrestles fly swat from Yogz hands to protect Gerrie and Dame's sanity*
*runs away faster than Pengy cos she has dodgy knees, and swats Nel hard!*
ha! so Gerrie is saying that OP could and probably should have fallen while bringing in the fan, as it's a process of turning around and he didn't do it in the bath room either!
David Dadic â@DavidDadic <small class="time"> </small>
Another defence witness who seems more mandated to keep OP out of jail based on what he said in the box rather than assess him objectively.
eNCA â@eNCAnews <small class="time"> </small>
RT @karynmaughan: Nel: you said that it was easy for #OscarPistorius to fall. He never fell on the night of the incident.
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
*wrestles fly swat from Yogz hands to protect Gerrie and Dame's sanity*
*runs away faster than Pengy cos she has dodgy knees, and swats Nel hard!*
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
He reminds me of an angry wasp. I want to swat him.
noooooooooooooooooooooooo
*wrestles fly swat from Yogz hands to protect Gerrie and Dame's sanity*
*runs away faster than Pengy cos she has dodgy knees, and swats Nel hard!*
disablist behaviour *rings Gerrie to help me sue her no doubt she'll get Barry to defend her* although I like Barry so perhaps I could sweet talk him over to my side
Originally Posted by Pengy:
ha! so Gerrie is saying that OP could and probably should have fallen while bringing in the fan, as it's a process of turning around and he didn't do it in the bath room either!
David Dadic â@DavidDadic <small class="time"> </small>
Another defence witness who seems more mandated to keep OP out of jail based on what he said in the box rather than assess him objectively.
He could have used the frame of the patio doors to help him balance.
Originally Posted by Pengy:
ha! so Gerrie is saying that OP could and probably should have fallen while bringing in the fan, as it's a process of turning around and he didn't do it in the bath room either!
David Dadic â@DavidDadic <small class="time"> </small>
Another defence witness who seems more mandated to keep OP out of jail based on what he said in the box rather than assess him objectively.
I said they over-egged it at the beginning, it goes against OP's own testimony
Thesna Aston â@ThesnaAston <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial so if Oscar can't fire on his stumps as orthopaedic surgeon intimates then Oscar had on prosthesis which makes it worse. Ai!!
good point
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
He reminds me of an angry wasp. I want to swat him.
noooooooooooooooooooooooo
*wrestles fly swat from Yogz hands to protect Gerrie and Dame's sanity*
*runs away faster than Pengy cos she has dodgy knees, and swats Nel hard!*
disablist behaviour *rings Gerrie to help me sue her no doubt she'll get Barry to defend her* although I like Barry so perhaps I could sweet talk him over to my side
Barry will defend me - and as I have a dodgy hip, I'm not in a position to be disablist.
Barry Bateman â@barrybateman <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial the accused was about to hand a note to his counsel as Roux objected. BB
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
He could have used the frame of the patio doors to help him balance.
but, if he had to hold on to things to keep his balance,,,why did he not feel Reeva wasn't in bed when he went for the gun...he would have surely have had to hold onto the bed to get the gun out of the holster 
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Thesna Aston â@ThesnaAston <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial so if Oscar can't fire on his stumps as orthopaedic surgeon intimates then Oscar had on prosthesis which makes it worse. Ai!!
good point
Unless he was leaning against a wall for balance.
Also, in certain situation, an adrenalin rush allows people to do things which they could never do normally. Eg, people who have lifted cars when their child was trapped underneath.
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Thesna Aston â@ThesnaAston <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial so if Oscar can't fire on his stumps as orthopaedic surgeon intimates then Oscar had on prosthesis which makes it worse. Ai!!
good point
I've said that for weeks
EWN Reporter â@ewnreporter <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial Versfeld: agrees that if Oscar was leaning with his back against something he would be able to balance better. BB
David Dadic â@DavidDadic <small class="time"> </small>
Please Doctor Versfeld, do not state that you have notes on your computer at home.
David makes me laugh - I really wish we could get his channel over here
Originally Posted by Pengy:
David Dadic â@DavidDadic <small class="time"> </small>
Please Doctor Versfeld, do not state that you have notes on your computer at home.
David makes me laugh - I really wish we could get his channel over here
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
He could have used the frame of the patio doors to help him balance.
but, if he had to hold on to things to keep his balance,,,why did he not feel Reeva wasn't in bed when he went for the gun...he would have surely have had to hold onto the bed to get the gun out of the holster
Did he go round the bed to get his gun or reach across it? If he went around the bed, then he wouldn't have necessarily felt Reeva in the bed.
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Did he go round the bed to get his gun or reach across it? If he went around the bed, then he wouldn't have necessarily felt Reeva in the bed.
the gun was under her side of the bed Yogi,,,his version
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
He could have used the frame of the patio doors to help him balance.
but, if he had to hold on to things to keep his balance,,,why did he not feel Reeva wasn't in bed when he went for the gun...he would have surely have had to hold onto the bed to get the gun out of the holster
Did he go round the bed to get his gun or reach across it? If he went around the bed, then he wouldn't have necessarily felt Reeva in the bed.
he stated quite emphatically that he moved around the bed and held onto it for balance so Dame is right - why didn't he feel Reeva as he made such a thing about her being on his normal side of the bed and him being on the other side due to his shoulder injury
this is why people have been saying OP damned himself from his own mouth - he just didn't know when to shut up and give a brief answer
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Did he go round the bed to get his gun or reach across it? If he went around the bed, then he wouldn't have necessarily felt Reeva in the bed.
the gun was under her side of the bed Yogi,,,his version
But if he only used the edge of the bed for balance, it's unlikely that he would have felt whether Reeva was in the bed or not.
Charl du Plessis â@CharlduPlessc <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial Nel now going through Oscar's own version of everything OP did on his stumps on night Reeva killed
Oscar Trial Channel â@OscarTrial199 <small class="time"> </small>
Roux objects - said that the accused's version is not that... Nel says an objective version is also a version
Charl du Plessis â@CharlduPlessc <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial Nel: My lady, the objection is not an objection. (legend)
Originally Posted by Pengy:
he stated quite emphatically that he moved around the bed and held onto it for balance so Dame is right - why didn't he feel Reeva as he made such a thing about her being on his normal side of the bed and him being on the other side due to his shoulder injury
this is why people have been saying OP damned himself from his own mouth - he just didn't know when to shut up and give a brief answer
I'm not even convinced he was on that side of the bed Pengy...or in bed 
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
He could have used the frame of the patio doors to help him balance.
but, if he had to hold on to things to keep his balance,,,why did he not feel Reeva wasn't in bed when he went for the gun...he would have surely have had to hold onto the bed to get the gun out of the holster
Did he go round the bed to get his gun or reach across it? If he went around the bed, then he wouldn't have necessarily felt Reeva in the bed.
he stated quite emphatically that he moved around the bed and held onto it for balance so Dame is right - why didn't he feel Reeva as he made such a thing about her being on his normal side of the bed and him being on the other side due to his shoulder injury
this is why people have been saying OP damned himself from his own mouth - he just didn't know when to shut up and give a brief answer
If Reeva slept towards the middle of the bed, he wouldn't have felt her when he held onto the edge of the bed.
Edit: I agree that Oscar didn't know when to shut up, and if he is convicted it will have been of his own doing.
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Did he go round the bed to get his gun or reach across it? If he went around the bed, then he wouldn't have necessarily felt Reeva in the bed.
the gun was under her side of the bed Yogi,,,his version
But if he only used the edge of the bed for balance, it's unlikely that he would have felt whether Reeva was in the bed or not.
he'd have had to held right on the very edge of the bed not to have felt her and then that wouldn't have provided the balance he claims he needs when walking on stumps!
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Did he go round the bed to get his gun or reach across it? If he went around the bed, then he wouldn't have necessarily felt Reeva in the bed.
the gun was under her side of the bed Yogi,,,his version
But if he only used the edge of the bed for balance, it's unlikely that he would have felt whether Reeva was in the bed or not.
he also saw a pair of denim jeans on the floor but couldn't see her in bed...
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Charl du Plessis â@CharlduPlessc <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial Nel now going through Oscar's own version of everything OP did on his stumps on night Reeva killed
Oscar Trial Channel â@OscarTrial199 <small class="time"> </small>
Roux objects - said that the accused's version is not that... Nel says an objective version is also a version
Charl du Plessis â@CharlduPlessc <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial Nel: My lady, the objection is not an objection. (legend)
Leg end!
Oscar Trial Channel â@OscarTrial199 <small class="time"> </small>
Nel: you'd take the fan, move couple of centimetres ...it could happen? #oscartrial Versfeld reiterates the fan could be a walking aid.
I often use my fan as a walking aid instead of my waking stick - in fact I have even written a poem about my fan troo I'm not making it up - did it for creative writing
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Did he go round the bed to get his gun or reach across it? If he went around the bed, then he wouldn't have necessarily felt Reeva in the bed.
the gun was under her side of the bed Yogi,,,his version
But if he only used the edge of the bed for balance, it's unlikely that he would have felt whether Reeva was in the bed or not.
he'd have had to held right on the very edge of the bed not to have felt her and then that wouldn't have provided the balance he claims he needs when walking on stumps!
I'm not buying it Pengy...
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Did he go round the bed to get his gun or reach across it? If he went around the bed, then he wouldn't have necessarily felt Reeva in the bed.
the gun was under her side of the bed Yogi,,,his version
But if he only used the edge of the bed for balance, it's unlikely that he would have felt whether Reeva was in the bed or not.
he also saw a pair of denim jeans on the floor but couldn't see her in bed...
His vision is not impaired.
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Oscar Trial Channel â@OscarTrial199 <small class="time"> </small>
Nel: you'd take the fan, move couple of centimetres ...it could happen? #oscartrial Versfeld reiterates the fan could be a walking aid.
I often use my fan as a walking aid instead of my waking stick - in fact I have even written a poem about my fan troo I'm not making it up - did it for creative writing
We need to read this poem.
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Leg end!
think you're looking at the wrong bench Yogi 
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Charl du Plessis â@CharlduPlessc <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial Nel now going through Oscar's own version of everything OP did on his stumps on night Reeva killed
Oscar Trial Channel â@OscarTrial199 <small class="time"> </small>
Roux objects - said that the accused's version is not that... Nel says an objective version is also a version
Charl du Plessis â@CharlduPlessc <small class="time"> </small>
#OscarTrial Nel: My lady, the objection is not an objection. (legend)
Leg end!
that's not very objective Yogz
I need a wee break