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Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by moonie:

When does the acquittal trial resume Dameee?

 

 

supposed to be thirty days Moonie from last Tuesday...I'll believe it when I see it 

I have a very nasty feeling he is gonna wriggle out of it somehow Dameee. I hope not but that's what i'm thinking right now

Moonie
Originally Posted by moonie:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by moonie:

When does the acquittal trial resume Dameee?

his 30 days doesn't even start till next Monday 

flippin eck

I should clarify that - it starts this Monday coming the 26th - still I bet he's been enjoying himself on Uncle Arnie's ranch [wonder if he's having mandatory alcohol tests?] 

FM
Just been reading an article about Christiano Ronaldo as my daughter loves him

Jasmine Lennard who once dated the footballer recalled Ron and women almost inevitably ends in disaster. He explained to me that nearly every time he has a female house guest he loses his temper and the women end up sleeping in separate bedrooms to him. The man she met in a club soon began to act like a needy teenager who bombarded her with messages, Jasmine said receiving up to 15 messages a day it was exhausting trying to please him to keep him satisfied. This all became too much for me as he started to throw tantrums when I wasn't able to provide constant attention he wanted.

I hope he doesn't own a gun

What is it with these sportsmen
Aimee

My mate asked today, "What's the possibility of Oscar Pistorius being found guilty?"

I said, "There's more chance of him getting athletes foot."

 

 

 

Just played Paralympic Cluedo. Comes up with the same answer at the end though

The Sprinter
With the firearm
In the bathroom





FM
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Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

  Roger Rocks 

 

I went to my cousins yesterday and she was having her combi serviced and the guy was SA  I told him I was missing the accent and he asked me if my shoe had not gone through my TV yet...he thinks he's guilty and should be found as such  I was a bit surprised 

I'm so sad at missing the SA accent I've started watching eNCA news  and other stuff on youtube 

 

My pitchfork is sharpened and ready to drag escort OP to jail 

FM
Originally Posted by erinp:

My mate asked today, "What's the possibility of Oscar Pistorius being found guilty?"

I said, "There's more chance of him getting athletes foot."

 

 

 

Just played Paralympic Cluedo. Comes up with the same answer at the end though

The Sprinter
With the firearm
In the bathroom





erin those are terrible  but funny 

FM
Originally Posted by Pengy:
 

I'm so sad at missing the SA accent I've started watching eNCA news  and other stuff on youtube 

 

My pitchfork is sharpened and ready to drag escort OP to jail 

 

 

 

 

I was a bit miffed...I though Gerrie Nel was servicing the boiler...I nearly shouted 'there's an old boiler through here that needs sorted' 

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
 

I'm so sad at missing the SA accent I've started watching eNCA news  and other stuff on youtube 

 

My pitchfork is sharpened and ready to drag escort OP to jail 

 

 

 

 

I was a bit miffed...I though Gerrie Nel was servicing the boiler...I nearly shouted 'there's an old boiler through here that needs sorted' 

tart!!!  Poor Gerrie would be running for the hills - it would take more than 20 SAPS to bring him back 

FM

Oscar Pistorius could get a lighter sentence if  convicted – or end up in a mental institution

LAST UPDATED AT  15:12 ON Fri 6 Jun 2014

Oscar Pistorius could be committed to a mental institution against his will  if experts decide that he was "mentally incapacitated" when he shot Reeva  Steenkamp. The athlete is currently being assessed by three psychiatrists and  one psychologist at Weskoppies Psychiatric Hospital to determine his mental  state when he fired at his girlfriend on Valentine's Day last year.

Judge Thokozile Masipa sent him for the 30-day evaluation after defence  witness Dr Meryl Vorster diagnosed him with "generalised anxiety disorder". The  results could mean a shorter prison sentence for Pistorius if he is convicted or  it could mean he has fewer grounds for appeal. Either way, the outcome is likely  to have a big impact on how the trial will proceed. Here are the findings  available to the experts who will report back to the court...

Pistorius was 'mentally incapacitated'

In theory, the expert panel could decide Pistorius was "mentally  incapacitated" when he shot Steenkamp, meaning that he was unable to control his  actions because of an underlying mental disorder. In this case, the trial would  end and Pistorius would be committed to a mental institution against his will  until he is found not to be a danger, reports CNN.

Pistorius had 'diminished capacity'

Professor Stephen Tucson, a criminal barrister in Johannesburg, tells the Daily  Telegraph, that the experts are more likely to look at whether Pistorius has  a disorder that "diminished" his capacity for criminal responsibility. In that  case, the trial would resume, and the experts' finding would be taken into  consideration during sentencing if he were found guilty. This would be the  favoured option for the defence as it would mean Pistorius might be judged less  harshly.  While murder and premeditated murder have mandatory jail terms,  the sentencing for culpable homicide is discretionary, varying from fines to  prison time of up to 15 years. For Pistorius to be convicted of the lesser  charge of culpable homicide, Judge Masipa would have to believe that Pistorius  did not plan or intend to commit murder but that he "negligently" killed  Steenkamp.

Pistorius had no mental health problems

Alternatively, the experts might decide that Pistorius's mental health was  not an issue at all and the court could therefore disregard the evidence of Dr  Vorster. Prosecutor Gerrie Nel is likely to be rooting for this option, as it  would mean Pistorius could not use his mental state as a defence or a mitigating  factor in sentencing. Part of the reason Nel called for the evaluation in the  first place was that he feared the defence could later use Pistorius's mental  state to appeal against any conviction. A full state evaluation that gives him a  clean bill of health would make this much more difficult.

 

Oscar Pistorius: what is he doing at Weskoppies hospital? 

3 June

As Oscar Pistorius undergoes a second week of assessment at Pretoria's  Weskoppies Psychiatric Hospital, more details have emerged about his 30-day  mental health evaluation. The Reeva Steenkamp murder trial was suspended last  month after an expert witness for the defence diagnosed Pistorius with  'generalised anxiety disorder'. Judge Thokozile Masipa then sent the athlete to  Weskoppies, where a panel of experts are determining whether his state of mind  played a part in the shooting of Steenkamp on Valentine's Day last year. Four  specialists will have to decide whether Pistorius was criminally responsible for  the shooting and if he fired his gun despite knowing right from wrong.

What is Oscar Pistorius doing day to day?

Pistorius is being treated as an outpatient, which means he can return home  each evening. He is expected to arrive at Weskoppies at 9am every day and stay  until 4pm, or until he is excused.

It is likely to be an "emotionally taxing" few weeks, according to Carly  Abramovitz, a clinical psychologist who has worked at the hospital. The first  day is usually "relatively simple", she says, with the experts getting to know  their patient and explaining how the process works. After that, the panel will  conduct lengthy interviews to obtain Pistorius's full life history, his family  background, and his criminal and psychiatric history. Other assessments include  personality tests, neuropsychological tests, tests for malingering (the  technical term for faking a mental illness) and general cognitive tests that  evaluate each and every cognitive process from intelligence to memory.  Abramovitz tells Eye  Witness News that the panel is likely to make Pistorius recall the moment of  the shooting so they can work out whether he was in a "particularly heightened  state of anxiety". Abramovitz describes it as an "extremely rigorous process"  with experts observing him during "every single minute of every procedure".

Ivan de Klerk, a forensic psychologist, told South Africa's Times newspaper that forensic psychologists do not adopt a warm bedside manner. "A  counsellor is empathetic and subjective, but in a forensic observation a  psychiatrist wants to get to the truth," he said. "There is no way it would be  possible to fake a condition for 30 days." 

What is Weskoppies like?

Weskoppies is one of the biggest and oldest psychiatric institutions in South  Africa. Located next to an industrial area in the west of Pretoria, it consists  of many one-storey buildings in a "large, almost farm-like, setting", reports eNCA.  It is "extremely quiet" and its patients and activities are not visible to  visitors, says the news channel. "It is neither modern nor luxurious and has a  bare, functional quality to it."

The hospital caters to a large variety of patients, with mental illnesses  ranging from depression, anxiety disorders and bipolar disorders to  schizophrenia. On the morning of Pistorius's first day, one female patient  apparently asked reporters to film her message to Pistorius to "be strong". She  told reporters: "I love him". However, there were apparently no takers and she  "walked dejectedly back into the hospital", reported The Times.

Court-ordered cases make up just a portion of patients at Weskoppies. Former  high-profile patients include 'Modimolle Monster' Johan Kotze who was convicted  last year for murder, rape, kidnapping and assault, and 'Advocate Barbie'  Cezanne Visser, who was sent to jail in 2010 for molesting children with her  former lover. 

Who is evaluating Oscar Pistorius?

Four experts have been appointed, including three psychiatrists and one  psychologist:

Dr Herman Pretorius is one of two Weskoppies psychiatrists  appointed by the court. In a previous high-profile case he was tasked with  assessing a prisoner who slit two nurses’ throats. Pretorius testified that the  accused knew right from wrong when he attacked his victims. 

Dr Carla Kotze is the second Weskoppies psychiatrist  appointed by the court. In 2012, she was asked to evaluate a man accused of  decapitating his victim in a graveyard, stripping his face from his head and  cutting off some of his limbs. Kotze declared that the accused could understand  right from wrong and he was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years in prison.

Dr Leon Fine has been appointed on behalf of the defence. He  is a psychiatrist with a speciality in anxiety syndromes and has “extensive  experience” in giving evidence in court, according to South Africa's Daily  Maverick magazine. 

Professor Jonathan Scholtz is head of psychology at  Weskoppies and a professor at the University of Pretoria. He testified in the  'Advocate Barbie' case, diagnosing Cezanne Visser with battered woman syndrome.  Visser was released on appeal just three years into her seven-year prison  sentence.

When will the Oscar Pistorius trial resume?

The court is expected to resume on 30 June to hear the results of the  evaluation.

Read more:  http://www.theweek.co.uk/world...nvolve#ixzz34n3qVCkY

FM

http://ewn.co.za/2014/06/26/Os...-evaluation-complete

 

JOHANNESBURG â€“ Eyewitness News understands murder accused Oscar Pistorius has completed hispsychiatric evaluation and the report is expected to be ready by the end of Thursday.

A senior police official close to the investigation says the psychiatric report will be ready for collection on Friday.

The case adjourned in May for the athlete to be observed by a panel of experts after a defence witness testified that he suffered from a generalised anxiety disorder (GAD).

Pistorius shot and killed his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp at his Pretoria East home on Valentine’s Daylast year. 

He argued it was an accident, while the state maintained he murdered her in a fit of rage.

The source says the Olympic and Paralympic athlete reported to Pretoria’s Weskoppies Psychiatric Hospital on every occasion the panel of experts required him to be there.

If Pistorius had failed to show up, a warrant for his arrest would have been issued.

This meant he did not report to the hospital every single weekday since 26 May, but only when he was needed to conduct tests.

In terms of the court order, hospital managers were given discretion on when Pistorius was to arrive and leave the facility. 

The trial resumes in the North Gauteng High Court on Monday.

 

 

I can't wait   it's official - I'm a ghoul 

FM
Originally Posted by Yogi19:

Pengy, are we back at court on Monday?

we are Yogz - don't know if they'll do a full day as the report is available as of today but I'm not sure if it will be presented into evidence on Monday so we'll get an adjournment for them to read it possibly? But I have a feeling M'Lady will want this wrapped up sharpish   allegedly, the defence still has 2/3 witnesses to go then they will do the summing up which could take a few days and then M'lady goes away to make her decision.

 

Also for those interested, the Dewani trial begins 6th October, word on the street is that the psychiatrist believe he's faking which is why the date for trial has been set but no word on if it will be televised as of yet 

FM
Originally Posted by moonie:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by moonie:

*takes sabbatical as from Sunday evening* Whistling Smiley

Oi!  Frank you're on tea duty again - breakfast better be a spectacle cos I'm ravenous after a month away 

*cocks a deaf un* Pardon?

SHE SAID 'GET YOUR ARSE BACK IN HERE AND FEED US'....did you hear that?

FM

Yay! Bring it on! 

 

I reckon it'll be a short day Yogi... they'll probably gather on Monday and ask for an adjournment to run around panicking read the reports and agree to take an early tea-break... for another couple of weeks! 

 

Can't wait for the resumption of the Itchy and Scratchy show - Itchy is Barry (in blue here) and Scratchy is Gerrie (with the hat... and unpleasant intentions). 

 

Xochi
Originally Posted by moonie:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by moonie:

*takes sabbatical as from Sunday evening* Whistling Smiley

Oi!  Frank you're on tea duty again - breakfast better be a spectacle cos I'm ravenous after a month away 

*cocks a deaf un* Pardon?

you'll be under the patio if there's no sign of brekkie 

FM
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:

Pengy, are we back at court on Monday?

we are Yogz - don't know if they'll do a full day as the report is available as of today but I'm not sure if it will be presented into evidence on Monday so we'll get an adjournment for them to read it possibly? But I have a feeling M'Lady will want this wrapped up sharpish   allegedly, the defence still has 2/3 witnesses to go then they will do the summing up which could take a few days and then M'lady goes away to make her decision.

 

Also for those interested, the Dewani trial begins 6th October, word on the street is that the psychiatrist believe he's faking which is why the date for trial has been set but no word on if it will be televised as of yet 

 Thanks Pengy.

I'm hoping the Dewani trial will be televisied.

Yogi19
Originally Posted by Xochi:

Yay! Bring it on! 

 

I reckon it'll be a short day Yogi... they'll probably gather on Monday and ask for an adjournment to run around panicking read the reports and agree to take an early tea-break... for another couple of weeks! 

 

Can't wait for the resumption of the Itchy and Scratchy show - Itchy is Barry (in blue here) and Scratchy is Gerrie (with the hat... and unpleasant intentions). 

 

love it 

FM
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by moonie:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by moonie:

*takes sabbatical as from Sunday evening* Whistling Smiley

Oi!  Frank you're on tea duty again - breakfast better be a spectacle cos I'm ravenous after a month away 

*cocks a deaf un* Pardon?

SHE SAID 'GET YOUR ARSE BACK IN HERE AND FEED US'....did you hear that?

I thought I heard thunder then

Moonie
Originally Posted by Xochi:

Yay! Bring it on! 

 

I reckon it'll be a short day Yogi... they'll probably gather on Monday and ask for an adjournment to run around panicking read the reports and agree to take an early tea-break... for another couple of weeks! 

 

Can't wait for the resumption of the Itchy and Scratchy show - Itchy is Barry (in blue here) and Scratchy is Gerrie (with the hat... and unpleasant intentions). 

 

 @ Itchy and Scratchy

Yogi19
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by moonie:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by moonie:

*takes sabbatical as from Sunday evening* Whistling Smiley

Oi!  Frank you're on tea duty again - breakfast better be a spectacle cos I'm ravenous after a month away 

*cocks a deaf un* Pardon?

you'll be under the patio if there's no sign of brekkie 

I won't be there so I won't know if I am under the patio or Not

Moonie

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