I've recorded it, to watch later.

Not sure I want to, but I should. 

This is awful.

I may not be able to watch much more. 

Absolutely appalling

Not sure if I can watch it. 

Whatever happened to the "caring profession"

It is no longer a "Profession"....

That was brutal.Really disturbing that it appeared to be accepted practice . The only one who appeared to be even slightly uncomfortable with what was going on was the second charge nurse, and he at best colluded with the assaults. 

Privatisation .

That was the most harrowing programme I have ever seen

Glad. I hope the charges are more than just assault. The parents were absolutely right, that was torture.

Thanks Joe! Found this..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13548222

I really hope the journalist who went undercover hasn't been arrested- that happened to one of the women who worked on a previous Panaroma programme looking at contracted- out elderly care in South Lanarkshire- she was arrested for using a false identity to gain employment ( but ultimately not charged) 

Quite speechless that so many who are supposed to know better just colluded in the torture of those poor people.

Money...........People employed because they are happy to get "Basic" wage..........makes me to angry to type opinions properly.......

It was like that was the norm. No-one really seemed surprised let alone uncomfortable when things got ugly. Dreadful.

It was all the more disturbing as the staff played on the fact it was a vulnerable group of people,some of whom had displayed challenging behaviour at times. The way that guy twisted his report after they'd dragged that young woman from her bed,to make it sound like she was the aggressor- I wonder if that contributed to the fact that people stayed in the unit far longer than anticipated? 

There's the thing though Syd - nursing staff aren't paid basic wage , even in the contract culture. I know too that secure unit pay is slightly higher than standard care rates,so it's not solely down to that. The worst offender  was a senior support worker - how the hell did he get promoted? 

£26-£29 K for the charge nurse position,according to their website.

It starts at ....Toilet level......If the toilets are being cleaned by people who "Don't care" (and the people employing them don't care because they are only toilet cleaners).......

woops sorry,got that wrong,that's the senior staff nurse rate,charge nurse will be higher.

http://www.castlebeck.com/panorama.php

I understand what you are saying Slinky,  the Professionalism of higher paid staff is questionable......but the "Patients" are often left in the hands of.............

uhuh.. the charge nurses clearly saw what was happening though, were present and witnessed ( and colluded with ) what was going on. It happened on their watch . They did nothing.

Who interviewed them? who read their CVs, who was paying them?,........I am not displacing blame.........but.......Who cared?

Just watched it.

Feel a bit sick! 

Just watched it on iplayer myself... glad simon and simone got out of there and hope they are now in a place where they can be treated properly. Pisses me right off that there were so many carers at the place that didn't give a crap and you have to question how they got a job as a carer in the first place.

That guy who wanted to open his own tattoo shop, why is he in the job as a carer? Do they not have to go through years of training or some sort? The worrying thing is that its likely Castlebeck aint the only hospital that has this going on... abusive care is likely to be widespread.

Glad Panorama showed it though, wasn't aware that this could be going on until they showed it... I think people will take notice now and the government will start clamping down on it all. The inspections sound like a total flop, anyone could simply change the way they work when there is a supervisor around.

the whole program  was shocking.

i cannot believe the whistle blower, informed the  regualtor 3 times  about the abuse and titled his emails to them ' ABUSE' and they ignored everyone of them, the  mealy mouthed plank they  had representing that body had no answer  or humility about it, just interested in batting off the allegations of incompetence and assuring us it could'n thappen again, altho we werent told why it couldnt happen again.

It's jobs for the boys again, well paid positions on boards for people who are only there to line their own pockets .

at least the  new boss of the hospital admitted it was terrible and  said he was ashamed to be associated with the hospital and it's staff.

too little, too late maybe but at least he put his hands up and didn't come out with trite excuses  and supercilious  plattitudes.

i hope those responsonsible for the bullying and abuse feel the full weight of the law.

I watched it earlier this afternoon and I was gobsmacked   it's the most appalling treatment of learning disabled people I've ever seen  my brother is learning disabled so it peaked my interest to watch it.

I know they've arrested 4 and suspended 13 but  none of them should ever be in a job that requires a position of trust 

My heart went out to poor Simone as she's suffered the most abuse - how could anyone treat a person like they did 

by the end of it I was raging at the telly 

Castlebeck own/run several other establishments.  I doubt Winterbourne View was a one-off.  If I had a relative in one of their hospitals I would be looking to remove them asap.

Ridiculous that care homes are allowed to assess themselves !

Care homes are inspected from time to time by the Care Quality Commission. Their last inspection was on 15 December 2009 but Winterbourne View had been told about the inspection beforehand.

This is a link to the CQC report on this inspection

Although the inspection passed Winterbourne View, it did find some shortcomings. These included a lack of what staff training had been completed. In particular "Staff do not receive
annual update training in deescalation and physical intervention techniques"

Also "The patient guide does not provide accurate information on the complaints policy or the Care Quality Commission and inspection reports. Some patients are unable to read and understand the guide.

These shortcomings were supposed to have been dealt with, but obviously weren't.

Also Winterbourne View had been put on notice of the inspection beforehand. It is classified as providing hospital services rather than as a care home. My mother had to go into a care home, then a nursing home, and I looked at the CQC reports on various homes at the time. Inspections of care homes and nursing homes seem to be unannounced.

And Cameron and co want to farm out more of the NHS to private companies...private companies are there to make money, not to care no matter the cost.

This company was being paid an astonishing £3,500 a week per patient to "care"

All contracts in the rest of the Castlebeck group should now be terminated.  

It was horrific to watch, and it's hard to believe that a meat head like Wayne and his willing gang of thugs could get away with it.  The higher ups seemed to be complicit in it too, not really giving enough of an arse to do their jobs.  These people were treated as less than human and had no come back.  It was institutionalised torture of the most vulnerable and least represented.

What killed me was when Simone's mum had told her and she didn't believe her because 'it's not allowed, they're not allowed to do that'.  I'm sure that this isn't the norm (to think so is to do down all the amazing carers) and that this is an extreme abuse that has been exposed, the worry is how easily it can happen.  And how absolutely feckin useless the CQC is. 

I must also add that, to my shame, I felt very pitchfork-y about Wayne and entertained fantasies of him getting a bit of the same treatment in the nick.  Normally of course, I disapprove of this sort of sentiment.  But just this once.

As Simone said, 'You bitch Wayne.'  She totally outdid him in style and argument when she was stood drenched wet through and fighting back, and the knuckle dragging bully boy failed to even realise.  

It's shameful but it's not unique there's a case up here(Scotland) of a private nursing home that cares for elderly /dementia sufferers with a catalogue of appalling treatment.Patients being over sedated  because staff can't or aren't trained to cope with them.Lying in dirty beds etc and dying from neglect.The owners of the home are both doctors!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-s...h-east-fife-13573081