I don't have one Aimee, I know nothing about how it started or why. All I know is he killed one man and shot two other people and shouldn't be hailed an hero because of it whatever the circumstances 

I agree Dame, i just knew she would start making money out of it

I can't believe that anyone would suggest that she started it. Secondly, thank bog it wasn't the beeb who made the payout, we wouldn't have heard the last of it!!11!

I don't know how it started exactly but he pulled the trigger so he's to blame and I don't blame anyone making a few quid for their future....

Someone you were supposedly close to and cared about at some point goes on a shooting spree then shoots himself in the head and instead of being completely messed up and needing a psychologist you go to the News of the World with a story. Says as much about her as anyone needs to know IMO.

I can't imagine there are many who wouldn't do the same thing in her position. She owes that man nothing

That's kind of excusing his conduct. He was responsible for  what he did.

Not good that a story's been sold though.

I t know nothing about it Aimee, but I think it would have been the last thing on my mind to be honest. She's kids though and maybe been approached, so I can't honestly say what I would do in her position.

I think she was the victim (don't like the word victim, I hope she is a SURVIVOR) of horrific domestic violence and more power to her if she can cop a few quid from the gutter press to provide her and her daughter with any help they may need.  Or bugger it, even if she doesn't need any "help" a nice house and a few cheeky lambrinis or whatever.

And seriously eff off to all the rancid little scratters who blamed HER for HIS violence on facebook. Seriously, you nasty little scrubbers, get lost...she dumped him because she was rightly sick of being his (other) punchbag. Stop glamourising him you silly girls.

Rant over

What Ducky said!

it's astounding, that. Can't believe how many folk are saying " yeah but if she hadn't.."  Shocking.

i mean't her saying her new boyfriend was a policeman and the policeman then being shot, i don't condone what he did at all and i never mean't it to look that way, i can see i will regret starting this thread

I dont know the full in's and out's of what went on prior to his release and their relationship, anyone know any links where I could read an impartial view about this? (and not from some hyped up biased journo).

Going on what I do know, I still lay blame with the system for letting the guy out in the first place. There is now way in hell he should have been released if he was making threats towards his ex (the prison knew about this). Contacting the police after he left the gate was a little too late (especially as they did bugger all about it). The prison were lucky to have got that warning and should have acted on it, not let the c**t go ffs.

I honestly think if she knew that would happen she'd have never had said it, I suppose it was just self preservation at the time....

The woman always gets the blame....bloody always....and I dont understand it one little bit

He'd already shot her new partner though. I know you're not condoning what he did but I don't think she's in any way responsible .

Nooo Aimee xxx I love talking about stuff like this (not crazed murderers per se - but stuff where there is such a vast difference of opinion).

Regarding her telling Moat her guy was a copper, hmmm, could be looked at in a few different ways really. Maybe she did it thinking he would leave her alone, maybe she did it for spite. Maybe she misjudged just how dangerous Moat could be and thought his threats were empty ones - who knows? Where DV is concerned, it's not always as cut and dried as 'standing up to a bully'. In some cases, yes. You find your voice and your strength and can live a life without fear. But when you're dealing with people like Moat - threats of police and the law mean nothing and in some cases can only fuel the situation. I think it's about time the police started listening the people who tell them their partner is dangerous, has threatened their life and need urgent help. There's been too many cases this year already of women being murdered by their ex-partners, even though the women told the police how dangerous they were.

Has it ever been any different? Stalkers that eventually kill the victims 'all the signs were there' the police sit around with paperwork 'assessing' the risk instead of acting on it. It's quite pathetic really.

She said the new fella was a copper because she was terrified that he'd start sniffing around again when he got out (she was right) she thought saying he was a cop would scare Moat off... Stop him harassing her, kicking ten bells out of her (and worse if local gossip is right, I stand to be corrected on that because we should never treat gossip as fact...but beating her IS fact and in the public domain)

Aimee, I have to say, it's the facebook stuff here I'm ranting about, not you! xx

When I was at the hospital last year, they told me 1 in 10 domestic violence cases ends up with the victim dead....

I thought she'd told him that she was seeing a policeman, in the hope that he would stay away.

Just that informations shows the fear that these barstewards instil into women.

As for the payment for a story, I don't blame her.

If anyone is to blame, it would be the editor and the readers. She has committed no crime, as far as I know.

Holy crap!

I thought a knew quite a lot of facts and figures due to my coursework years back but...shit. *insert the worst swearwords you can think of here* 

That's just unbelievable. I don't want to sound like I'm really down on the police but often they could just shove all their paperwork in the bin and just use a bit of common sense 

Yep it is. The shame is there are some really good coppers out there who genuinely care, the unfotunate thing is quite often their hands are tied as to what they can do i.e., they cant arrest and charge someone unless something has actually happened. Yes they can warn for harrassment or malicious phone calls, but it's a process that has to through court for any real action to be taken.
Granted, the police can not stay in your home and protect you 24/7, but what they can do is provide more assistance to the victim and the victim's family by way of panic alarms in the home, emergency assistance on 999, assistance on more security in the home, that sort of thing. Women who are under threat can go into a refuge any time of day or night, but it is a much easier process if they have the support of the police while they are leaving the home. It's that safety of knowing they have someone who can help them and keep them safe while they try to take steps to start a new life.

A girl I knew had a situation where she had ended a relationship with a guy who was a locksmith. She had reported him 4 times to the police and was in the process of leaving and going into a refuge. The night before she left she asked the police for help as she was planning to leave at 4am and just wanted their presence while she left, but they refused to give her assistance, saying they didn't believe it was as much of a threat as she was making out cos they had spoken to the guy and he was 'more then reasonable'. The guy broke in (using his locksmith skills) had a gun with him and when he couldn't get her he shot her 5 year old son in the head (and he died)


Just realised I am going off on a right tangent here from the topic of the thread, sorry x

I dont know how they get their figures...I dont know if its one in ten 'hospitalised' cases or what...wasnt really in the state to ask...but Im sure if women knew...just how bad it is, but also just how much agencies and hosptials etc will try and help them if they just speak up, then more of them would.

Thanks Karma and Leccy  i'm only going off what i've read as well. but it was said she knew of his hatred of the police and by saying her new b/f was a copper may have kicked off what happened 
As the woman always gets blamed, i was never saying that, as a woman that has had to have surgery to repair a broken nose from my daughters dad, i would be the last person to say something like that

I didnt think you were blaming the woman Aimee, I was just talking generally

Aimee, not trying to shout you down or knock you, at all...and well done you for getting rid of your own basket! xx  I'm just ranting at the press and facebook really...they've been ghoulish and irresponsible (what's new!)

Aimee  I never took your post to be meaning that

Aimee I didn't think you were blaming the woman either x I've looked at her intentions from both angles, but as I said, I dont know the history of their relationship prior to his release. (Although Leccy has said he had committed DV on her and she was trying to get on with her life).

Whatever the circumstances it's still just such a horrible, horrible situation. No doubt he wanted her dead too - I can only imagine how she feels that her BF is dead, and this wasn't his war. As I said somewhere on FB, I'm glad Moat's dead. Cos if he wasn't he would have spent years inside with rehabilitation and some people just don't deserve that level of understanding. To a degree, I can understand someone completely losing their head for an hour or so and seeing red, but then most folk calm down and address what they've done. Moat didn't, he was of sane enough mind to continue the cat and mouse game with the police for a week, to write letters (and showing NO remorse for the guy he had killed or the 2 people he had attempted to kill - this was the major thing for me) so as far as I'm concerned he didn't deserve to be anything but dead.

In an ideal world or where the violence is significantly "bad" (sorry to use that term, can't think of another right now) enough...

Not always though, there are massive failings.  I'm sure most of us have a friend or whatever who's called them and they've been utter carp.  I HATE anecdotal stuff as "proof" on forums, it's a real bugbear of mine but I know a 14 year old whose boyfriend was disturbed by a copper bashing her head off a wall and told them to "behave" and and for him to be "nice" The end!

As an aside, I am very Pro the police, I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm not.  I'm just saying that some of them are right misogynistic gits (as in the rest of society)

That's heartbreaking . The police were probably too busy checking their was no 'bother' after the pubs had closed. It really is just common sense a lot of the time but like you said they are bound by rules designed to stop them doing what we all think is the reason they exist.

I totally agree with you I've experienced the not so nice side of them, when they wanted me to do something to put someone away they were desperate to hang just because they didn't have enough to stick on the person to get them behind bars. (Not giving 2 shits what effect it would have on me and mine for the next 20 odd years). The person was an absolute arsewipe right enough, and they had done me wrong, but I wasn't prepared to put myself through that for someone elses gain. When I refused they started to turn a bit nasty.


In my younger days I also had loads of rucks with them (but that's cos I was usually doing something that wasn't quite inside the law )

K I dunno what to say about that story with the bairn.  Oh God You nooooooooooooooooo never

It's true Aimee, and in fairness to them a lot of the time people blame the police for criminals not going to court or things being taken further. Most of the time it's not the police's fault, it's the CPS. When the police want to proceed through the courts, they need to get the approval of the CPS (as I understand it) to see if the crime warrants the expense and time. If the CPS refuse then the police need to let the person go. Someone I know who's a copper said it's one of the most frustrating things of the job.

When it comes to DV the police can go ahead and take it to court without the victim even pressing charges now...

It was only minor stuff like nicking the pick n mix from Woolies Can you believe they called the police on me for that ffs??! But then I can understand doing grafitti on the side of trains at 3am was probably worthy of a caution

Yep they can, that only came into force a few years ago, but they still need the approval of the CPS to do it (as far as I know). Have never heard of the CPS turning down a DV case though. I dont think there's many they turn down, but I have heard of a few where the crimes have been worthy of a prison sentence but cos it was a first offence or cos of the con's age it's been let go. (And probably cos the prisons are full at the time aswell)