A recipe book, The English Hus-wife by Gervace Markham dated 1615 proves this. It was 171 years before the haggis got a mention in Scotland.
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Good the English can now apologise for all the daft jokes we have had to suffer 
quote:Originally posted by ContessaQ:
A recipe book, The English Hus-wife by Gervace Markham dated 1615 proves this. It was 171 years before the haggis got a mention in Scotland.
I bet we were ever so glad when the Scots took it over
HaAHaHa and then we gave it to the Scots...we aint daft!! LMAO!!! 
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and popcorn
and popcorn
That's an offal old English joke! Why oh why did they adopt mushy peas as their traditional National dish?
but i love haggis 
we should never have let the scots steal it 
we should never have let the scots steal it
I luuurve mushy peas...with extra vinegar - yummy!!!
I dont think I've ever had it!
quote:Originally posted by MoFo:
I luuurve mushy peas...with extra vinegar - yummy!!!
We call that pea brae, but we don't pound the peas into a pulp, we leaves them plump and juicy!
quote:Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
That's an offal old English joke! Why oh why did they adopt mushy peas as their traditional National dish?
mushy peas (propper ones not the flurecant tinned ones)are food of the gods!
Mushy peas with mint sauce - good
Haggis - bad
Haggis - bad
I've only ever had tinned ones!quote:Originally posted by ContessaQ:quote:Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
That's an offal old English joke! Why oh why did they adopt mushy peas as their traditional National dish?
mushy peas (propper ones not the flurecant tinned ones)is food of the gods!
quote:Originally posted by Cinds:
Mushy peas with mint sauce - good Mushy peas with mint sauce - good
Haggis - bad
pie, mushy peas, mint sauce and gravy even better
How do we know that this person who wrote the book did not get the recipe from someone else, like a Scotsman.
Just because the book was written by an English woman does not mean that she discovered all the recipes herself.
Just because the book was written by an English woman does not mean that she discovered all the recipes herself.
I read about this last week. It's a load of nonsense. People didn't keep written records of much of anything back then tbh, not much point when most people couldn't read or write. Oral history can't be proven but recipes would have been handed down via word of mouth.
Calm down dear, it's only a haggis.
quote:Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:
I read about this last week. It's a load of nonsense. People didn't keep written records of much of anything back then tbh, not much point when most people couldn't read or write. Oral history can't be proven but recipes would have been handed down via word of mouth.
the earliest recipe book was written in 1390, there were lots of them written since then.
quote:Originally posted by ContessaQ:quote:Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:
I read about this last week. It's a load of nonsense. People didn't keep written records of much of anything back then tbh, not much point when most people couldn't read or write. Oral history can't be proven but recipes would have been handed down via word of mouth.
the earliest recipe book was written in 1390, there were lots of them written since then.
I was just saying that written history doesn't mean that's when something was first recorded. Apart from the popular oral records, we have no idea how many written records have been lost in time. Paper is not the most sturdy of materials. Just because a historian has found a written record in the form of a book doesn't mean that the author of that book is the definitive inventor of haggis. It's just as likely that she picked up that recipe orally or even copied it from another source. The book doesn't prove that haggis is English anymore than we can prove it is Scottish in origin. Academic history is a very strange discipline because it's basically just people arguing over facts when there are none. I know this because I have a first class degree in history and was due to be starting a PhD later this year before I got pregnant.
quote:Originally posted by Cinds:
Calm down dear, it's only a haggis.
Does anybody actually eat haggis or is it just something that gets rolled out on Burns Night? quote:Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:quote:Originally posted by ContessaQ:quote:Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:
I read about this last week. It's a load of nonsense. People didn't keep written records of much of anything back then tbh, not much point when most people couldn't read or write. Oral history can't be proven but recipes would have been handed down via word of mouth.
the earliest recipe book was written in 1390, there were lots of them written since then.
I was just saying that written history doesn't mean that's when something was first recorded. Apart from the popular oral records, we have no idea how many written records have been lost in time. Paper is not the most sturdy of materials. Just because a historian has found a written record in the form of a book doesn't mean that the author of that book is the definitive inventor of haggis. It's just as likely that she picked up that recipe orally or even copied it from another source. The book doesn't prove that haggis is English anymore than we can prove it is Scottish in origin. Academic history is a very strange discipline because it's basically just people arguing over facts when there are none. I know this because I have a first class degree in history and was due to be starting a PhD later this year before I got pregnant.
ah but it says in the artilce that haggis is an english and not a scots word.
does it matter really? the scots can keep the damn thing lol
quote:Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:
i do, with mashed neeps and tatties, luverly.
Oh I love haggis , it's absolutely delicious especially with neeps and tatties
You can have it back with pleasure its 
If QOTHT had a first class degree in languages she would have known that!quote:Originally posted by ContessaQ:quote:Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:quote:Originally posted by ContessaQ:quote:Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:
I read about this last week. It's a load of nonsense. People didn't keep written records of much of anything back then tbh, not much point when most people couldn't read or write. Oral history can't be proven but recipes would have been handed down via word of mouth.
the earliest recipe book was written in 1390, there were lots of them written since then.
I was just saying that written history doesn't mean that's when something was first recorded. Apart from the popular oral records, we have no idea how many written records have been lost in time. Paper is not the most sturdy of materials. Just because a historian has found a written record in the form of a book doesn't mean that the author of that book is the definitive inventor of haggis. It's just as likely that she picked up that recipe orally or even copied it from another source. The book doesn't prove that haggis is English anymore than we can prove it is Scottish in origin. Academic history is a very strange discipline because it's basically just people arguing over facts when there are none. I know this because I have a first class degree in history and was due to be starting a PhD later this year before I got pregnant.
ah but it says in the artilce that haggis is an english and not a scots word.
I love haggis with mash and turnip also like black pudding.
quote:Originally posted by ContessaQ:
ah but it says in the artilce that haggis is an english and not a scots word.
Which article? English is a hybrid language with elements of Norse, Latin, Old French, Germanic...I've read a couple of entirely different theories about Haggis. Some say it's most likely to be of Scandanavian descent, some say Roman...
Bliddy hell, what am I doing?! I can't believe I'm giving serious consideration as to the historical origins of bliddy haggis, 
I must be really bored.
I didn't think people really ate it. I had it once and thought it was minging. But then again I love black pudding and people think that's minging too. 
I had it once and thought it was minging. But then again I love black pudding and people think that's minging too. quote:
I was just saying that written history doesn't mean that's when something was first recorded. Apart from the popular oral records, we have no idea how many written records have been lost in time. Paper is not the most sturdy of materials. Just because a historian has found a written record in the form of a book doesn't mean that the author of that book is the definitive inventor of haggis. It's just as likely that she picked up that recipe orally or even copied it from another source. The book doesn't prove that haggis is English anymore than we can prove it is Scottish in origin. Academic history is a very strange discipline because it's basically just people arguing over facts when there are none. I know this because I have a first class degree in history and was due to be starting a PhD later this year before I got pregnant.
ah but it says in the artilce that haggis is an english and not a scots word.[/QUOTE]If QOTHT had a first class degree in languages she would have known that!
[/QUOTE]she said history not english
If QOTHT had a first class degree in languages she would have known that!quote:Originally posted by ContessaQ:quote:
I was just saying that written history doesn't mean that's when something was first recorded. Apart from the popular oral records, we have no idea how many written records have been lost in time. Paper is not the most sturdy of materials. Just because a historian has found a written record in the form of a book doesn't mean that the author of that book is the definitive inventor of haggis. It's just as likely that she picked up that recipe orally or even copied it from another source. The book doesn't prove that haggis is English anymore than we can prove it is Scottish in origin. Academic history is a very strange discipline because it's basically just people arguing over facts when there are none. I know this because I have a first class degree in history and was due to be starting a PhD later this year before I got pregnant.
ah but it says in the artilce that haggis is an english and not a scots word.
[/QUOTE]she said history not english
[/QUOTE]Yes I know. 
quote:Originally posted by ContessaQ:quote:Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:
I read about this last week. It's a load of nonsense. People didn't keep written records of much of anything back then tbh, not much point when most people couldn't read or write. Oral history can't be proven but recipes would have been handed down via word of mouth.
the earliest recipe book was written in 1390, there were lots of them written since then.
Apicius' Roman recipes were from 400/500 AD.
Why anyone would want to claim credit, is beyond me
Haggis is nice but I am a wimp and must have it with gravy.
quote:Originally posted by Rev. Dim Dale:
Haggis is nice but I am a wimp and must have it with gravy.
You sir, are a disgrace... to the great chieftain o' the puddin' race!
quote:Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:quote:Originally posted by ContessaQ:quote:Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:
I read about this last week. It's a load of nonsense. People didn't keep written records of much of anything back then tbh, not much point when most people couldn't read or write. Oral history can't be proven but recipes would have been handed down via word of mouth.
the earliest recipe book was written in 1390, there were lots of them written since then.
I was just saying that written history doesn't mean that's when something was first recorded. Apart from the popular oral records, we have no idea how many written records have been lost in time. Paper is not the most sturdy of materials. Just because a historian has found a written record in the form of a book doesn't mean that the author of that book is the definitive inventor of haggis. It's just as likely that she picked up that recipe orally or even copied it from another source. The book doesn't prove that haggis is English anymore than we can prove it is Scottish in origin. Academic history is a very strange discipline because it's basically just people arguing over facts when there are none. I know this because I have a first class degree in history and was due to be starting a PhD later this year before I got pregnant.
can you not find a recipe that will tell you when your lil bun is cooked?
quote:Originally posted by pussycatj:
can you not find a recipe that will tell you when your lil bun is cooked?
Oh, if only!
quote:Originally posted by love greek sunsets:
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Budge over, I've brought midget gems, care to share.
