There was very little in the way of unruly behaviour at my school. That is because the school had a strict policy of discipline and there were consequences for bad behaviour.
But more importantly, I think, was the bliddy fear of your parents knowing that you'd been misbehaving and you were being punished (or if it was very bad suspended/expelled). The assumption was not that the School/Teacher was in the wrong.. nor was it that you were in the wrong.. but I know before leaping to my defence and blaming everyone else my Mum would say 'And what did you do?'. A bit of personal responsibility and no blind defence.
quote:Originally posted by fz:quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:quote:Originally posted by fz:
Every school has an anti bullying policy. It is up to the staff and parents to see if it is enforced. There are strict routes that the school have to follow to act as a deterrent to persistent bullying.
once these routes are exhausted there are pupil referral units that take on kids that have failed to follow the schools discipline policy.
Every school has a board of Governors, the school and headteacher are answerable to this board. There are local authority appointed members on these boards who are impartial.
It is the parents responsibility to ensure their child gets the education they deserve. Too many parents do not want to get involved in school life....they drop the kids there and hope for the best.
If a school has a very involved parent and governor panel.....then bullying wouldnt be as commonplace as it is today.
problem is.....not many schools want it known they have a 'bullying' problem....and either try to squash it....or bury their heads in the sand in the hope it'll pass....they don't want it going as far as the governors board...
i know for a fact when ofsted is arriving where i work....the kids who are disruptive are given the day/s off....the whole school is given an assembly and it is drummed in on how to behave etc etc
the caretakers have overtime to scrub off the obscene graffiti plastered around the school....the corridors are repainted etc etc...
school is always quiet when ofsted are in.....it's a mask and it's false.but that is then rewarded with glowing ofsted reports and parents clamouring to get their kids there...when the reality is.....it's not like that...
Exactly which is why I said it is up to the parents to be involved with the school.
And an anti bullying policy is definitely NOT telling the kids ' they can't do that'....whoever assumes it is should read some and they may be surprised at the measures that do exist and HAVE to exist.
Whether a parent wishes to pursue it is down to the parent.But once pursued it can NOT be brushed under the carpet.
Before every OFSTED inspection the parents are asked for their views on an anonymous form. I know of some schools where less than 10% are returned by the parents. Says it all really....if the parents dont care, then their children won't either.
oh i agree with that......parents should be involved.....but you do get the 'my johnny wouldn't do that' brigade....like the parents of the kid who broke the teachers nose i was talking about earlier....
as for the letters...well i guess the school relies on the kids to pass them on...if they don't they can't be returned...if they do...as you say...some might not bother filling them in anyway....unless they are posted out??...but i guess that might be an individual school thing and money etc...
as for the bullying policy....obviously they are in place.....but does the bullied child speak up??....often i'd imagine they're too scared of the bully....so unless it is noticed by staff...it doesn't get spoken about.....if it does..of course the school should intervene and adhere to the policies laid down
as i said....i can only speak of where i work..and the schools my kids or friends kids go too....and the most i've heard of is an exclusion for bullying....it's a long process to remove a child from school permanantly these days as you rightly say....
i think it does sometimes feel kids have the upperhand these days in the classrooms and school in general...and as tupps said earlier....maybe that lack of respect then flows onto other places and people...like the buses home etc...
quote:Originally posted by tupps:
There was very little in the way of unruly behaviour at my school. That is because the school had a strict policy of discipline and there were consequences for bad behaviour.
But more importantly, I think, was the bliddy fear of your parents knowing that you'd been misbehaving and you were being punished (or if it was very bad suspended/expelled). The assumption was not that the School/Teacher was in the wrong.. nor was it that you were in the wrong.. but I know before leaping to my defence and blaming everyone else my Mum would say 'And what did you do?'. A bit of personal responsibility and no blind defence.
oh god yes!!.....not only the fear of being in trouble at school.....but the..'flippin eck what are me mum and dad gonna say'! aspect!!
Teacher remanded in custody. I would assume that is for his own safety as well as members of the public.
quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
oh god yes!!.....not only the fear of being in trouble at school.....but the..'flippin eck what are me mum and dad gonna say'! aspect!!
No 'my little Johnny wouldn't do that.. you school are a bunch of fibbers!'. It'd be sit down and 'the talk'. And they always knew when you weren't quite telling it like it is. 
No storming up to school blithering on about rights and threats of suing the LEA. Oh no.. it'd be 'the talk' first.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
oh god yes!!.....not only the fear of being in trouble at school.....but the..'flippin eck what are me mum and dad gonna say'! aspect!!
No storming up to school blithering on about rights and threats of suing the LEA. Oh no.. it'd be 'the talk' first.
...ohhhhhhh 'the talk'....and if you tried to weasal out of it....yer mum'd give you that all knowing look.....and that'd be curtains.....
maybe it is society in general....when you get ppl suing left right and centre over the weirdest things maybe its just an attachment to that??
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
oh god yes!!.....not only the fear of being in trouble at school.....but the..'flippin eck what are me mum and dad gonna say'! aspect!!
No storming up to school blithering on about rights and threats of suing the LEA. Oh no.. it'd be 'the talk' first.
But unfortunately those days are gone it seems, I'm not saying there aren't some parents that'll still do that, there will be. But it now seems we've reached a point where those parents are in the minority and that being the case the problem kids get no discipline from anywhere.
quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
and if you tried to weasal out of it....yer mum'd give you that all knowing look.....and that'd be curtains.....
maybe it is society in general....when you get ppl suing left right and centre over the weirdest things maybe its just an attachment to that??
I always used to say.. there were only 2 things I feared.. being buried alive and my Mum's 'talk'.
I wonder if, ironically considering kids are a lot bolder now, that it is a result of the 'cossetting' of kids. I didn't leave school that long ago and yet, in that time, kids don't play out much any more, they don't walk to school.. etc etc. They are a lot more 'protected' and they are a lot more clued up about protection. Can you ever imagine threatening to call Childline because some teacher hairdryer'd you for forgetting your homework?
quote:Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
oh god yes!!.....not only the fear of being in trouble at school.....but the..'flippin eck what are me mum and dad gonna say'! aspect!!
No storming up to school blithering on about rights and threats of suing the LEA. Oh no.. it'd be 'the talk' first.
But unfortunately those days are gone it seems, I'm not saying there aren't some parents that'll still do that, there will be. But it now seems we've reached a point where those parents are in the minority and that being the case the problem kids get no discipline from anywhere.
if my daughter gets a detention for not doing homework she's grounded for 1 day of the w/end....if it's a behaviour detention(mucking around in class) it's all w/end.....if it was for anything else(and thankfully never has been)...i'd ground her for as long as i thought necessary....luckily i have only implemented it twice....
when i say ground...i don't mean just not going out...it's no tv...no computer...nothing...
i think that's fair...but i have had ppl say i'm too harsh...be interested what you lot think...am i too harsh or not harsh enough?????
Spongey.. at the time if my Mum punished me I would think it was harsh. She went the grounding, no money, no going to activities I liked, no TV etc in my room (she used to take the whole lot out and stick it in the garage). Now, I think she was right. Now, I can see why. It suxx when you're a kid but it does teach you that actions have consequences.. positive ones had positive consequences and negative, negative.
I don't think you're harsh.. and even if she does now.. I bet she doesn't later on. She'll see you care enough to give her rules and guidelines.
I don't think you're harsh.. and even if she does now.. I bet she doesn't later on. She'll see you care enough to give her rules and guidelines.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
and if you tried to weasal out of it....yer mum'd give you that all knowing look.....and that'd be curtains.....
maybe it is society in general....when you get ppl suing left right and centre over the weirdest things maybe its just an attachment to that??
I always used to say.. there were only 2 things I feared.. being buried alive and my Mum's 'talk'.
I wonder if, ironically considering kids are a lot bolder now, that it is a result of the 'cossetting' of kids. I didn't leave school that long ago and yet, in that time, kids don't play out much any more, they don't walk to school.. etc etc. They are a lot more 'protected' and they are a lot more clued up about protection. Can you ever imagine threatening to call Childline because some teacher hairdryer'd you for forgetting your homework?
i left school in 1981....we had blackboard rubbers...plimsoles...all sorts lobbed down the classroom if we spoke in class after being told to be quiet!!!then straight on report and detentions...we weren't scared as such....just knew what the consequences were if we stepped out of line...nowadays there are no consequences as such....
funnily enough i was talking to my mates lad about it yesterday....he's 18 now...and i was telling him about the stuff we used to get lobbed at us.....and he said cockily..'i'd of thrown it back'....and i told him he wouldn't of dared...
but i guess that shows the gulf in thoughts of a child educated in the 70's/80's to the child in the 90's/00's...
quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:quote:Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
oh god yes!!.....not only the fear of being in trouble at school.....but the..'flippin eck what are me mum and dad gonna say'! aspect!!
No storming up to school blithering on about rights and threats of suing the LEA. Oh no.. it'd be 'the talk' first.
But unfortunately those days are gone it seems, I'm not saying there aren't some parents that'll still do that, there will be. But it now seems we've reached a point where those parents are in the minority and that being the case the problem kids get no discipline from anywhere.
if my daughter gets a detention for not doing homework she's grounded for 1 day of the w/end....if it's a behaviour detention(mucking around in class) it's all w/end.....if it was for anything else(and thankfully never has been)...i'd ground her for as long as i thought necessary....luckily i have only implemented it twice....
when i say ground...i don't mean just not going out...it's no tv...no computer...nothing...
i think that's fair...but i have had ppl say i'm too harsh...be interested what you lot think...am i too harsh or not harsh enough?????
It sounds fair to me but unfortunately I fear you are in the minority. Kudos to you though, your daughter will have a better life for it imo.
quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
i left school in 1981....we had blackboard rubbers...plimsoles...all sorts lobbed down the classroom if we spoke in class after being told to be quiet!!!then straight on report and detentions...we weren't scared as such....just knew what the consequences were if we stepped out of line...nowadays there are no consequences as such....
funnily enough i was talking to my mates lad about it yesterday....he's 18 now...and i was telling him about the stuff we used to get lobbed at us.....and he said cockily..'i'd of thrown it back'....and i told him he wouldn't of dared...
but i guess that shows the gulf in thoughts of a child educated in the 70's/80's to the child in the 90's/00's...
Omg.. that reminds me of one of my teachers.. If he was writing on the board and kids were talking he would turn around once and say 'Be quiet'. If it carried on again.. no warning.. he'd turn around and lob a board rubber. And he was Olympic standard at this. His aim was incredible.. he'd be able to pinpoint exactly where it was coming from and throw the rubber so it didn't hit them but close enough by to shower them in chalk dust. God he was ace! No-one messed with him.. and if they did, it was only the once.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:
Spongey.. at the time if my Mum punished me I would think it was harsh. She went the grounding, no money, no going to activities I liked, no TV etc in my room (she used to take the whole lot out and stick it in the garage). Now, I think she was right. Now, I can see why. It suxx when you're a kid but it does teach you that actions have consequences.. positive ones had positive consequences and negative, negative.
I don't think you're harsh.. and even if she does now.. I bet she doesn't later on. She'll see you care enough to give her rules and guidelines.
it's weird cos obviously she does think i am....and of course i'm 'ruining her life!'..
but if she is out she has to phone me...(she's nearly 14)...and she has to be home at the time set.....yet sometimes she'll moan about it....
yet a few weeks ago we were chatting and she was telling me about one of her mates whose mum never knows where she is....doesn't care what time she comes in....and in daughters words..'what kind of suckish mum is that?.she doesn't care about her'...
so i think she knows why i do it...maybe even appreciates it.......just won't admit it!!!!
quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
it's weird cos obviously she does think i am....and of course i'm 'ruining her life!'..
but if she is out she has to phone me...(she's nearly 14)...and she has to be home at the time set.....yet sometimes she'll moan about it....
yet a few weeks ago we were chatting and she was telling me about one of her mates whose mum never knows where she is....doesn't care what time she comes in....and in daughters words..'what kind of suckish mum is that?.she doesn't care about her'...
so i think she knows why i do it...maybe even appreciates it.......just won't admit it!!!!
Awwww..
she sounds like me at that age...
gawd help ya.. quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
i left school in 1981....we had blackboard rubbers...plimsoles...all sorts lobbed down the classroom if we spoke in class after being told to be quiet!!!then straight on report and detentions...we weren't scared as such....just knew what the consequences were if we stepped out of line...nowadays there are no consequences as such....
funnily enough i was talking to my mates lad about it yesterday....he's 18 now...and i was telling him about the stuff we used to get lobbed at us.....and he said cockily..'i'd of thrown it back'....and i told him he wouldn't of dared...
but i guess that shows the gulf in thoughts of a child educated in the 70's/80's to the child in the 90's/00's...
Omg.. that reminds me of one of my teachers.. If he was writing on the board and kids were talking he would turn around once and say 'Be quiet'. If it carried on again.. no warning.. he'd turn around and lob a board rubber. And he was Olympic standard at this. His aim was incredible.. he'd be able to pinpoint exactly where it was coming from and throw the rubber so it didn't hit them but close enough by to shower them in chalk dust. God he was ace! No-one messed with him.. and if they did, it was only the once.
sounds like my school!!!.....teachers were definitely olympic standard......and like you say....it never hit anyone..but was close enough!!!
quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:quote:Originally posted by tupps:
Spongey.. at the time if my Mum punished me I would think it was harsh. She went the grounding, no money, no going to activities I liked, no TV etc in my room (she used to take the whole lot out and stick it in the garage). Now, I think she was right. Now, I can see why. It suxx when you're a kid but it does teach you that actions have consequences.. positive ones had positive consequences and negative, negative.
I don't think you're harsh.. and even if she does now.. I bet she doesn't later on. She'll see you care enough to give her rules and guidelines.
it's weird cos obviously she does think i am....and of course i'm 'ruining her life!'..
but if she is out she has to phone me...(she's nearly 14)...and she has to be home at the time set.....yet sometimes she'll moan about it....
yet a few weeks ago we were chatting and she was telling me about one of her mates whose mum never knows where she is....doesn't care what time she comes in....and in daughters words..'what kind of suckish mum is that?.she doesn't care about her'...
so i think she knows why i do it...maybe even appreciates it.......just won't admit it!!!!
That's just her age. as tupps says, I think she does know you do it because you care and IF she doesn't appreciate it now (which it sounds she secretely does) she definitely will when she's older.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
it's weird cos obviously she does think i am....and of course i'm 'ruining her life!'..
but if she is out she has to phone me...(she's nearly 14)...and she has to be home at the time set.....yet sometimes she'll moan about it....
yet a few weeks ago we were chatting and she was telling me about one of her mates whose mum never knows where she is....doesn't care what time she comes in....and in daughters words..'what kind of suckish mum is that?.she doesn't care about her'...
so i think she knows why i do it...maybe even appreciates it.......just won't admit it!!!!
Awwww..
she sounds like me at that age...
quote:Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:quote:Originally posted by tupps:
Spongey.. at the time if my Mum punished me I would think it was harsh. She went the grounding, no money, no going to activities I liked, no TV etc in my room (she used to take the whole lot out and stick it in the garage). Now, I think she was right. Now, I can see why. It suxx when you're a kid but it does teach you that actions have consequences.. positive ones had positive consequences and negative, negative.
I don't think you're harsh.. and even if she does now.. I bet she doesn't later on. She'll see you care enough to give her rules and guidelines.
it's weird cos obviously she does think i am....and of course i'm 'ruining her life!'..
but if she is out she has to phone me...(she's nearly 14)...and she has to be home at the time set.....yet sometimes she'll moan about it....
yet a few weeks ago we were chatting and she was telling me about one of her mates whose mum never knows where she is....doesn't care what time she comes in....and in daughters words..'what kind of suckish mum is that?.she doesn't care about her'...
so i think she knows why i do it...maybe even appreciates it.......just won't admit it!!!!
as tupps says, I think she does know you do it because you care and IF she doesn't appreciate it now (which it sounds she secretely does) she definitely will when she's older.
i hope so kris!!!!
right.....really enjoyed chatting with you all...but dinner is calling!!!.....chat later i hope!....
catch you later spongey.. 
So, discipline in school ?, many are opposed to the reintroduction of corporal punishment.
what about the idea of boot camp style punishment for problem kids ?
Run them (circuit training style) until they are exhausted and don't have the energy left in them to cause trouble ?
what about the idea of boot camp style punishment for problem kids ?
Run them (circuit training style) until they are exhausted and don't have the energy left in them to cause trouble ?
Okay bye Spongebob, thank you for your insightful posts.
What was that programme on TV.. something about sending a class of kids back to school in the 50s. They fitted the school out as a 1950s school, taught in a 1950s stylie with a 1950s curriculum and exacted 1950s discipline.
It was an eye opener for them..
It was an eye opener for them..
quote:Originally posted by tupps:
What was that programme on TV.. something about sending a class of kids back to school in the 50s. They fitted the school out as a 1950s school, taught in a 1950s stylie with a 1950s curriculum and exacted 1950s discipline.
It was an eye opener for them..
I never saw it but I bet it was.
But now corporal punishment is frowned upon and will never (I don't think) be re-introduced, so can there be an alternative ?, something that pupils would want to avoid but that doesn't involve contact ?
quote:Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:quote:Originally posted by tupps:
What was that programme on TV.. something about sending a class of kids back to school in the 50s. They fitted the school out as a 1950s school, taught in a 1950s stylie with a 1950s curriculum and exacted 1950s discipline.
It was an eye opener for them..
I never saw it but I bet it was.
But now corporal punishment is frowned upon and will never (I don't think) be re-introduced, so can there be an alternative ?, something that pupils would want to avoid but that doesn't involve contact ?
If I had the solution I would be getting paid a lot of money in a fat cat consultancy post for the Department of Children, Schools & Families..
It would have to be taking away something they enjoy or denying them access to something they feel they have a 'right' to probably. And each case would be different. It's a toughie.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:quote:Originally posted by tupps:
What was that programme on TV.. something about sending a class of kids back to school in the 50s. They fitted the school out as a 1950s school, taught in a 1950s stylie with a 1950s curriculum and exacted 1950s discipline.
It was an eye opener for them..
I never saw it but I bet it was.
But now corporal punishment is frowned upon and will never (I don't think) be re-introduced, so can there be an alternative ?, something that pupils would want to avoid but that doesn't involve contact ?
If I had the solution I would be getting paid a lot of money in a fat cat consultancy post for the Department of Children, Schools & Families..
It would have to be taking away something they enjoy or denying them access to something they feel they have a 'right' to probably. And each case would be different. It's a toughie.
What do you think of my boot camp style punishment idea ?
Just running them round a track until their exhausted ?
quote:Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:
What do you think of my boot camp style punishment idea ?
Just running them round a track until their exhausted ?
Well.. if you added a couple of bloody thirsty lions and some arena seating.. I reckon you'd make a mint on ticket sales..
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:
What do you think of my boot camp style punishment idea ?
Just running them round a track until their exhausted ?
Well.. if you added a couple of bloody thirsty lions and some arena seating.. I reckon you'd make a mint on ticket sales..
It's a sign of the times that my first thought was that the kid in question probably did something to provoke the teacher. That may not be true, but I can't prevent something like that from popping into my head.
After all, everybody under a certain age knew a kid like that when they were at school. This one kid I was at school with opened one of those gas taps that you connect bunsen burners to as the teacher was walking past and lit it, he also made the same teacher cry on numerous occasions...
He locked a teacher in a cupboard and threw away the key, so they had to break down the door to get her out after being trapped in there for an hour.
He put a fellow pupils head through a window because he claimed that the kid in question looked at him the wrong way.
And the little swine got away with it all (and those were just a handful of examples off the top of my head).
And it's not like this was a bad school either, it was (at the time) one of the best in the region, although I believe it has declined since then.
I'm not saying the kid in question in this situation is to blame, nor am I saying he was asking for it, or that it was the right thing to do before someone with trouble understanding things picks me up on this, but I could understand why someone would snap in such circumstances IF that is what has happened.
After all, everybody under a certain age knew a kid like that when they were at school. This one kid I was at school with opened one of those gas taps that you connect bunsen burners to as the teacher was walking past and lit it, he also made the same teacher cry on numerous occasions...
He locked a teacher in a cupboard and threw away the key, so they had to break down the door to get her out after being trapped in there for an hour.
He put a fellow pupils head through a window because he claimed that the kid in question looked at him the wrong way.
And the little swine got away with it all (and those were just a handful of examples off the top of my head).
And it's not like this was a bad school either, it was (at the time) one of the best in the region, although I believe it has declined since then.
I'm not saying the kid in question in this situation is to blame, nor am I saying he was asking for it, or that it was the right thing to do before someone with trouble understanding things picks me up on this, but I could understand why someone would snap in such circumstances IF that is what has happened.
quote:Originally posted by disley21:
It's a sign of the times that my first thought was that the kid in question probably did something to provoke the teacher. That may not be true, but I can't prevent something like that from popping into my head.
After all, everybody under a certain age knew a kid like that when they were at school. This one kid I was at school with opened one of those gas taps that you connect bunsen burners to as the teacher was walking past and lit it, he also made the same teacher cry on numerous occasions...
He locked a teacher in a cupboard and threw away the key, so they had to break down the door to get her out after being trapped in there for an hour.
He put a fellow pupils head through a window because he claimed that the kid in question looked at him the wrong way.
And the little swine got away with it all (and those were just a handful of examples off the top of my head).
And it's not like this was a bad school either, it was (at the time) one of the best in the region, although I believe it has declined since then.
I'm not saying the kid in question in this situation is to blame, nor am I saying he was asking for it, or that it was the right thing to do before someone with trouble understanding things picks me up on this, but I could understand why someone would snap in such circumstances IF that is what has happened.
The teacher should have just walked away, there was provocation I am sure but, you don't beat a child half to death because of it. I do understand how someone can snap though as I have worked in schools in the past and have met teachers that could cheerfully throttle some kids.
quote:Originally posted by wandawitch:quote:Originally posted by disley21:
It's a sign of the times that my first thought was that the kid in question probably did something to provoke the teacher. That may not be true, but I can't prevent something like that from popping into my head.
After all, everybody under a certain age knew a kid like that when they were at school. This one kid I was at school with opened one of those gas taps that you connect bunsen burners to as the teacher was walking past and lit it, he also made the same teacher cry on numerous occasions...
He locked a teacher in a cupboard and threw away the key, so they had to break down the door to get her out after being trapped in there for an hour.
He put a fellow pupils head through a window because he claimed that the kid in question looked at him the wrong way.
And the little swine got away with it all (and those were just a handful of examples off the top of my head).
And it's not like this was a bad school either, it was (at the time) one of the best in the region, although I believe it has declined since then.
I'm not saying the kid in question in this situation is to blame, nor am I saying he was asking for it, or that it was the right thing to do before someone with trouble understanding things picks me up on this, but I could understand why someone would snap in such circumstances IF that is what has happened.
The teacher should have just walked away, there was provocation I am sure but, you don't beat a child half to death because of it. I do understand how someone can snap though as I have worked in schools in the past and have met teachers that could cheerfully throttle some kids.
Could have just been an unthinking moment where the red mist descended and reason went out the window. I'm not excusing it, obviously we can't have that, but I think it's the symptom of a larger problem. That of discipline within schools.
quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Some of you proper terrify me.
same here
maybe i school home school my kids
I have the answer.
Lock the little blighters in a sound proof room and force them to listen to Rolf Harris's greatest hits on loop.
Lock the little blighters in a sound proof room and force them to listen to Rolf Harris's greatest hits on loop.
Lets not forget that this teacher was recovering from a stroke brought on by stress and was on medication and probably wasn't responsible for his actions. I don't think the child is in anyway to blame either. I think there is a lot more to this story than just some teacher snapping.quote:Originally posted by wandawitch:quote:Originally posted by disley21:
It's a sign of the times that my first thought was that the kid in question probably did something to provoke the teacher. That may not be true, but I can't prevent something like that from popping into my head.
After all, everybody under a certain age knew a kid like that when they were at school. This one kid I was at school with opened one of those gas taps that you connect bunsen burners to as the teacher was walking past and lit it, he also made the same teacher cry on numerous occasions...
He locked a teacher in a cupboard and threw away the key, so they had to break down the door to get her out after being trapped in there for an hour.
He put a fellow pupils head through a window because he claimed that the kid in question looked at him the wrong way.
And the little swine got away with it all (and those were just a handful of examples off the top of my head).
And it's not like this was a bad school either, it was (at the time) one of the best in the region, although I believe it has declined since then.
I'm not saying the kid in question in this situation is to blame, nor am I saying he was asking for it, or that it was the right thing to do before someone with trouble understanding things picks me up on this, but I could understand why someone would snap in such circumstances IF that is what has happened.
The teacher should have just walked away, there was provocation I am sure but, you don't beat a child half to death because of it. I do understand how someone can snap though as I have worked in schools in the past and have met teachers that could cheerfully throttle some kids.
My crystal ball says that if the kid dies then it's manslaughter through diminished responsibility. If the kid lives then, well, what's the defence there ... grievous bodily harm or something to do with mental health?
I am glad mine have done with school.quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Some of you proper terrify me.
same here
maybe i school home school my kids
quote:Originally posted by longcat:I am glad mine have done with school.quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Some of you proper terrify me.
same here
maybe i school home school my kids
I probably shouldn't home school my kids when i can't even type a sentence properly
quote:Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:
Spongebob Squarepants, your posts on here have been very interesting. Shocking testimony to the failures within the education system.
fz, I hope my replys have not seemed argumentative but it just seems to me that the anti bullying policy is nothing but a buzzword, as you say that might be down to failure to enforce BUT failure is failure, I think something more imediate is necessary tbh, without the red tape.
Not argumentative at all. I think buzzword is a buzzword
So, what did you think when you looked up the anti bullying policies? What particular part did you find 'didnt go far enough' and what part would you like to be 'more immediate?' I am interested in where you think they fall short?
Red tape is merely legislation ,it is necessary and is their for everyones protection.
I have found that uninformed/uninterested parents are often the biggest stumbling block.
quote:Originally posted by fz:quote:Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:
Spongebob Squarepants, your posts on here have been very interesting. Shocking testimony to the failures within the education system.
fz, I hope my replys have not seemed argumentative but it just seems to me that the anti bullying policy is nothing but a buzzword, as you say that might be down to failure to enforce BUT failure is failure, I think something more imediate is necessary tbh, without the red tape.
Not argumentative at all. I think buzzword is a buzzword
So, what did you think when you looked up the anti bullying policies? What particular part did you find 'didnt go far enough' and what part would you like to be 'more immediate?' I am interested in where you think they fall short?
Red tape is merely legislation ,it is necessary and is their for everyones protection.
I have found that uninformed/uninterested parents are often the biggest stumbling block.
Well I think the teachers need to be given some power to discipline (not sure what exactly) on the spot.
quote:I have found that uninformed/uninterested parents are often the biggest stumbling block
Can't argue with that but I'm not sure how to fix that one which is why I think teachers need some sort of power (as I said above) to discipline on the spot.