Teachers are attacked daily, verbally and physically. Some are even killed. Nobody, not a teacher or a pupil deserves that.
quote:Originally posted by The Secretary:
PLEASE think about what you're saying
It's as obscene as suggesting that a raped woman was 'asking for it'
I am thinking and I have a difference of opinion to you. To compare it to a woman 'asking' to be raped is ridiculous.
Some of you proper terrify me.
quote:Originally posted by San:quote:Originally posted by The Secretary:
PLEASE think about what you're saying
It's as obscene as suggesting that a raped woman was 'asking for it'
I am thinking and I have a difference of opinion to you. To compare it to a woman 'asking' to be raped is ridiculous.
Explain the difference to me then
I do not intend entering an argument for expressing my opinions or defending them so I wont be replying to any more posts 
quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Some of you proper terrify me.
Me an all
quote:Originally posted by San:
I do not intend entering an argument for expressing my opinions or defending them so I wont be replying to any more posts
quote:Originally posted by The Secretary:quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Some of you proper terrify me.
Me an all
No doubt the same people who think extreme acts of violence towards children are justified are the same lot who think all teens today are violent thugs.
Funny that. But I'm not laughing
quote:Originally posted by electric6:quote:Originally posted by The Secretary:quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Some of you proper terrify me.
Me an all
No doubt the same people who think extreme acts of violence towards children are justified are the same lot who think all teens today are violent thugs.
Funny that. But I'm not laughing
I'm not laughing either. I'm truly gobsmacked by some of the things I've read on this thread. Someone even mentioned whipping
(And not even in an adult kinky way)
A Cantona moment in the classroom. It was bound to happen one day.
quote:Originally posted by electric6:quote:Originally posted by The Secretary:quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Some of you proper terrify me.
Me an all
No doubt the same people who think extreme acts of violence towards children are justified are the same lot who think all teens today are violent thugs.
Funny that. But I'm not laughing
But some of them are.
And there is no means of disciplining those bad apples.
The general feeling that children should not have Human Rights is turning my stomach.
Like you I'm gobsmacked...I just can't... I'm lost for words.
Like you I'm gobsmacked...I just can't...
I'm lost for words.quote:Originally posted by sweet_tooth:
Not really. We were talking about it in the staff room today- although you HAVE to keep cool, it must be hard to go to work and get taunted every single day... Nobody was shocked as such, just felt really sorry for the teacher. too much pressure on teachers. Parents moan that they have to look after their kids for the 6 weeks hols, we have them for 39! And on a ratio of 1:30!
Yes teachers are under pressure but voilence is NEVER the answer!
quote:Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:
But some of them are.
And there is no means of disciplining those bad apples.
Aye there is...and non of them involve brain injury or risk of death.
Because that's what you lot are condoning, a good shoeing for talking in class.
I suppose a bit of disembowelling is appropriate for truancy then?
quote:Originally posted by electric6:
The general feeling that children should not have Human Rights is turning my stomach.
Like you I'm gobsmacked...I just can't...
Of course they should have human rights but if an adult (for example) commits assault they need to face consequences.
Teen thugs don't, the law is powerless, ditto the teachers and their parents couldn't care less.
quote:Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:quote:Originally posted by electric6:
The general feeling that children should not have Human Rights is turning my stomach.
Like you I'm gobsmacked...I just can't...
Of course they should have human rights but if an adult (for example) commits assault they need to face consequences.
Teen thugs don't, the law is powerless, ditto the teachers and their parents couldn't care less.
Yes, just like the Teacher who some seem to think is a hero!
quote:Originally posted by electric6:quote:Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:
But some of them are.
And there is no means of disciplining those bad apples.
Aye there is...and non of them involve brain injury or risk of death.
Because that's what you lot are condoning, a good shoeing for talking in class.
I suppose a bit of disembowelling is appropriate for truancy then?
No.
I'm suggesting some form of discipline (not sure what exactly) so that it doesn't get to the point where teachers buckle under the pressure and lash out.
quote:Originally posted by electric6:quote:Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:quote:Originally posted by electric6:
The general feeling that children should not have Human Rights is turning my stomach.
Like you I'm gobsmacked...I just can't...
Of course they should have human rights but if an adult (for example) commits assault they need to face consequences.
Teen thugs don't, the law is powerless, ditto the teachers and their parents couldn't care less.
Yes, just like the Teacher who some seem to think is a hero!
Yes, of course.
He'll be charged and probably do prison time.
BUT... IF it had been the pupil that had attacked the teacher, the pupil would have got a telling off and excluded (at worst) from the school.
quote:Originally posted by Masher:quote:Originally posted by sweet_tooth:
Not really. We were talking about it in the staff room today- although you HAVE to keep cool, it must be hard to go to work and get taunted every single day... Nobody was shocked as such, just felt really sorry for the teacher. too much pressure on teachers. Parents moan that they have to look after their kids for the 6 weeks hols, we have them for 39! And on a ratio of 1:30!
Yes teachers are under pressure but voilence is NEVER the answer!
no, violence is not the answer but it looks to me like the bloke flipped and was not in control of his mind.
he had been off work with stress and was obviosly not fit to return.
of course no kid deserves to get his head caved in by a teacher....
but i agree with those who say they're not surprised it's happened.....the way it is in schools these days(particularly secondary)it was just waiting to happen....
few examples from the school i work at.....
we've been told not to 'confront' one particular boy incase he 'goes off on one'....this includes not telling him off...therefore he can push in line....muck about etc etc.....and so generally do what he likes....and we're not supposed to say anything incase he 'loses it'....
one lad was chucking stones at the classroom windows and broke several.....one of the teachers saw him....grabbed his arm and shook it to get the lad to drop the stones.....the boy launched into a 'eff off you effin barsteward' routine and headbutted the teacher breaking his nose......
result.......the boys parents wanted the teacher prosecuted for assault as he 'grabbed their sons arm in a forceful manner'....the police were called and the teacher interviewed.....
stuff like this goes on every day.....not just where i work....but i imagine in schools up and down the country......my mate is a h.t.a in a primary school.....she is regularly told to 'eff off' by 5 year olds.....
teachers and support staff can do nothing..they can't answer back...nothing.....
we had to attend a child safety protection seminar....we were told not to even hug a child who was upset incase it was misconstrued as a sexual advance....the lists of do not's far outweigh the the do's....
so whilst i don't feel the kid deserved having his head caved in....i can understand why a teacher or member of staff is pushed to the edge....the key point is....majority don't go over that edge....this teacher did...
but i agree with those who say they're not surprised it's happened.....the way it is in schools these days(particularly secondary)it was just waiting to happen....
few examples from the school i work at.....
we've been told not to 'confront' one particular boy incase he 'goes off on one'....this includes not telling him off...therefore he can push in line....muck about etc etc.....and so generally do what he likes....and we're not supposed to say anything incase he 'loses it'....
one lad was chucking stones at the classroom windows and broke several.....one of the teachers saw him....grabbed his arm and shook it to get the lad to drop the stones.....the boy launched into a 'eff off you effin barsteward' routine and headbutted the teacher breaking his nose......
result.......the boys parents wanted the teacher prosecuted for assault as he 'grabbed their sons arm in a forceful manner'....the police were called and the teacher interviewed.....
stuff like this goes on every day.....not just where i work....but i imagine in schools up and down the country......my mate is a h.t.a in a primary school.....she is regularly told to 'eff off' by 5 year olds.....
teachers and support staff can do nothing..they can't answer back...nothing.....
we had to attend a child safety protection seminar....we were told not to even hug a child who was upset incase it was misconstrued as a sexual advance....the lists of do not's far outweigh the the do's....
so whilst i don't feel the kid deserved having his head caved in....i can understand why a teacher or member of staff is pushed to the edge....the key point is....majority don't go over that edge....this teacher did...
quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
of course no kid deserves to get his head caved in by a teacher....
but i agree with those who say they're not surprised it's happened.....the way it is in schools these days(particularly secondary)it was just waiting to happen....
few examples from the school i work at.....
we've been told not to 'confront' one particular boy incase he 'goes off on one'....this includes not telling him off...therefore he can push in line....muck about etc etc.....and so generally do what he likes....and we're not supposed to say anything incase he 'loses it'....
one lad was chucking stones at the classroom windows and broke several.....one of the teachers saw him....grabbed his arm and shook it to get the lad to drop the stones.....the boy launched into a 'eff off you effin barsteward' routine and headbutted the teacher breaking his nose......
result.......the boys parents wanted the teacher prosecuted for assault as he 'grabbed their sons arm in a forceful manner'....the police were called and the teacher interviewed.....
stuff like this goes on every day.....not just where i work....but i imagine in schools up and down the country......my mate is a h.t.a in a primary school.....she is regularly told to 'eff off' by 5 year olds.....
teachers and support staff can do nothing..they can't answer back...nothing.....
we had to attend a child safety protection seminar....we were told not to even hug a child who was upset incase it was misconstrued as a sexual advance....the lists of do not's far outweigh the the do's....
so whilst i don't feel the kid deserved having his head caved in....i can understand why a teacher or member of staff is pushed to the edge....the key point is....majority don't go over that edge....this teacher did...
Bloody good post. As I see it the current system is unfair not only to teachers but also to other children who arent out of control.
i honestly don't know the solution though kris....
a few weeks ago i told one boy to get out of the canteen.....he was shoving in the line at the hot food counter....basically pushing those at the front into the hotplate.....i asked him to stop it....he laughed at me.....i then told him in a more stern voice to pack it in....again he laughed....so eventually after 2 warnings...i told him he could come with me to the heads office....and explain why he was laughing and refusing a request from a member of staff....
en route we were stopped by the head of his year...who asked what was going on.....i told her....she then asked him and he denied it....said he was laughing at something else.....
to cut a long story short...he was allowed straight back in ....he was believed..i wasn't....schools are so afraid of kids going home complaining that they do anything to keep the peace....hence the kids soon cotton on they can do what they like...and unfortunately some will take advantage of that.....
a few weeks ago i told one boy to get out of the canteen.....he was shoving in the line at the hot food counter....basically pushing those at the front into the hotplate.....i asked him to stop it....he laughed at me.....i then told him in a more stern voice to pack it in....again he laughed....so eventually after 2 warnings...i told him he could come with me to the heads office....and explain why he was laughing and refusing a request from a member of staff....
en route we were stopped by the head of his year...who asked what was going on.....i told her....she then asked him and he denied it....said he was laughing at something else.....
to cut a long story short...he was allowed straight back in ....he was believed..i wasn't....schools are so afraid of kids going home complaining that they do anything to keep the peace....hence the kids soon cotton on they can do what they like...and unfortunately some will take advantage of that.....
quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
of course no kid deserves to get his head caved in by a teacher....
but i agree with those who say they're not surprised it's happened.....the way it is in schools these days(particularly secondary)it was just waiting to happen....
few examples from the school i work at.....
we've been told not to 'confront' one particular boy incase he 'goes off on one'....this includes not telling him off...therefore he can push in line....muck about etc etc.....and so generally do what he likes....and we're not supposed to say anything incase he 'loses it'....
one lad was chucking stones at the classroom windows and broke several.....one of the teachers saw him....grabbed his arm and shook it to get the lad to drop the stones.....the boy launched into a 'eff off you effin barsteward' routine and headbutted the teacher breaking his nose......
result.......the boys parents wanted the teacher prosecuted for assault as he 'grabbed their sons arm in a forceful manner'....the police were called and the teacher interviewed.....
stuff like this goes on every day.....not just where i work....but i imagine in schools up and down the country......my mate is a h.t.a in a primary school.....she is regularly told to 'eff off' by 5 year olds.....
teachers and support staff can do nothing..they can't answer back...nothing.....
we had to attend a child safety protection seminar....we were told not to even hug a child who was upset incase it was misconstrued as a sexual advance....the lists of do not's far outweigh the the do's....
so whilst i don't feel the kid deserved having his head caved in....i can understand why a teacher or member of staff is pushed to the edge....the key point is....majority don't go over that edge....this teacher did...
Bloody hell
See the thing is, everybody talks about the human rights of 'out of control' kids. What about the rights of well behaved kids who also have to put up with the problem kids ?
quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
i honestly don't know the solution though kris....
a few weeks ago i told one boy to get out of the canteen.....he was shoving in the line at the hot food counter....basically pushing those at the front into the hotplate.....i asked him to stop it....he laughed at me.....i then told him in a more stern voice to pack it in....again he laughed....so eventually after 2 warnings...i told him he could come with me to the heads office....and explain why he was laughing and refusing a request from a member of staff....
en route we were stopped by the head of his year...who asked what was going on.....i told her....she then asked him and he denied it....said he was laughing at something else.....
to cut a long story short...he was allowed straight back in ....he was believed..i wasn't....schools are so afraid of kids going home complaining that they do anything to keep the peace....hence the kids soon cotton on they can do what they like...and unfortunately some will take advantage of that.....
Yes, that's the thing, they know they hold all the cards.
The solution ?, I'm not sure either.
As a teacher, do you think some form of corporal punishment should be re-introduced ?
quote:Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:
See the thing is, everybody talks about the human rights of 'out of control' kids. What about the rights of well behaved kids who also have to put up with the problem kids ?
well this is another problem.....sometimes it seems they are put more to the back of the teachers minds so to speak.....again i can only comment on incidents i've seen where i work....and how it's handled....
another example.....one lad.....and he is big for his age....goes around picking on the year 7's at lunchtime making them give him part of their dinner...we watched him do it 3 days in a row.....sometimes he won't even 'ask'...just wanders up and snatches their crisps or other food....
we caught him red handed....again he was another who just stood there smirking....he knew nothing would happen.....
his 'punishment' was to be on table duty at lunchtime....which involved helping put the tables back after lunch..that was it.....yet he'd spent 3 days(that we knew of) bullying and intimidating the younger kids....
schools hands are tied....they can't or don't do anything.....so some of these kids do what they like...when they like....
there certainly is imo a 'kids rule the school' not the teachers behaviour pattern going on.
What about punishment along the lines of having them sent to a P.E. teacher who has them run circuits, boot camp style ?
Maybe help run off the aggression ?
Maybe help run off the aggression ?
quote:Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
i honestly don't know the solution though kris....
a few weeks ago i told one boy to get out of the canteen.....he was shoving in the line at the hot food counter....basically pushing those at the front into the hotplate.....i asked him to stop it....he laughed at me.....i then told him in a more stern voice to pack it in....again he laughed....so eventually after 2 warnings...i told him he could come with me to the heads office....and explain why he was laughing and refusing a request from a member of staff....
en route we were stopped by the head of his year...who asked what was going on.....i told her....she then asked him and he denied it....said he was laughing at something else.....
to cut a long story short...he was allowed straight back in ....he was believed..i wasn't....schools are so afraid of kids going home complaining that they do anything to keep the peace....hence the kids soon cotton on they can do what they like...and unfortunately some will take advantage of that.....
Yes, that's the thing, they know they hold all the cards.
The solution ?, I'm not sure either.
As a teacher, do you think some form of corporal punishment should be re-introduced ?
i'm not a teacher kris!.......i work in the schools kitchen.....at break and lunchtime we're 'supposed' to have the right to discipline the kids.........we are told as members of school staff we are due the same respect and can discipline the kids the same as the teachers....the kids probably have less respect for us than they do the teachers tbh....we're told we are 'nothing' and 'who the eff do you think you are telling me what to do'......all this from the 11-13 yr age range.....
Every school has an anti bullying policy. It is up to the staff and parents to see if it is enforced. There are strict routes that the school have to follow to act as a deterrent to persistent bullying.
once these routes are exhausted there are pupil referral units that take on kids that have failed to follow the schools discipline policy.
Every school has a board of Governors, the school and headteacher are answerable to this board. There are local authority appointed members on these boards who are impartial.
It is the parents responsibility to ensure their child gets the education they deserve. Too many parents do not want to get involved in school life....they drop the kids there and hope for the best.
If a school has a very involved parent and governor panel.....then bullying wouldnt be as commonplace as it is today.
once these routes are exhausted there are pupil referral units that take on kids that have failed to follow the schools discipline policy.
Every school has a board of Governors, the school and headteacher are answerable to this board. There are local authority appointed members on these boards who are impartial.
It is the parents responsibility to ensure their child gets the education they deserve. Too many parents do not want to get involved in school life....they drop the kids there and hope for the best.
If a school has a very involved parent and governor panel.....then bullying wouldnt be as commonplace as it is today.
quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
i'm not a teacher kris!.......i work in the schools kitchen.....at break and lunchtime we're 'supposed' to have the right to discipline the kids.........we are told as members of school staff we are due the same respect and can discipline the kids the same as the teachers....the kids probably have less respect for us than they do the teachers tbh....we're told we are 'nothing' and 'who the eff do you think you are telling me what to do'......all this from the 11-13 yr age range.....
Or the same lack of rights ?
quote:Originally posted by fz:
Every school has an anti bullying policy. It is up to the staff and parents to see if it is enforced. There are strict routes that the school have to follow to act as a deterrent to persistent bullying.
once these routes are exhausted there are pupil referral units that take on kids that have failed to follow the schools discipline policy.
Every school has a board of Governors, the school and headteacher are answerable to this board. There are local authority appointed members on these boards who are impartial.
It is the parents responsibility to ensure their child gets the education they deserve. Too many parents do not want to get involved in school life....they drop the kids there and hope for the best.
If a school has a very involved parent and governor panel.....then bullying wouldnt be as commonplace as it is today.
Anti bullying policy = asking the problem child nicely if they wouldn't mind behaving.
Okay not exactly but the troublesome kids know fine well that nothing can be done.
It's symptomatic of a wider problem: respect, or lack of it. In schools, in the street, on buses.. pretty much everywhere.
I don't know what happened save the scant stuff in the papers. I do know it is sad.. for both parties.. and sad that it doesn't come as a surprise.
I don't know what happened save the scant stuff in the papers. I do know it is sad.. for both parties.. and sad that it doesn't come as a surprise.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:
It's symptomatic of a wider problem: respect, or lack of it. In schools, in the street, on buses.. pretty much everywhere.
I don't know what happened save the scant stuff in the papers. I do know it is sad.. for both parties.. and sad that it doesn't come as a surprise.
I agree, as I said earlier, the schools are powerless so is the police and the parents (generally) couldn't give a monkeys.
quote:Originally posted by fz:
Every school has an anti bullying policy. It is up to the staff and parents to see if it is enforced. There are strict routes that the school have to follow to act as a deterrent to persistent bullying.
once these routes are exhausted there are pupil referral units that take on kids that have failed to follow the schools discipline policy.
Every school has a board of Governors, the school and headteacher are answerable to this board. There are local authority appointed members on these boards who are impartial.
It is the parents responsibility to ensure their child gets the education they deserve. Too many parents do not want to get involved in school life....they drop the kids there and hope for the best.
If a school has a very involved parent and governor panel.....then bullying wouldnt be as commonplace as it is today.
problem is.....not many schools want it known they have a 'bullying' problem....and either try to squash it....or bury their heads in the sand in the hope it'll pass....they don't want it going as far as the governors board...
i know for a fact when ofsted is arriving where i work....the kids who are disruptive are given the day/s off....the whole school is given an assembly and it is drummed in on how to behave etc etc
the caretakers have overtime to scrub off the obscene graffiti plastered around the school....the corridors are repainted etc etc...
school is always quiet when ofsted are in.....it's a mask and it's false.but that is then rewarded with glowing ofsted reports and parents clamouring to get their kids there...when the reality is.....it's not like that...
quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:quote:Originally posted by fz:
Every school has an anti bullying policy. It is up to the staff and parents to see if it is enforced. There are strict routes that the school have to follow to act as a deterrent to persistent bullying.
once these routes are exhausted there are pupil referral units that take on kids that have failed to follow the schools discipline policy.
Every school has a board of Governors, the school and headteacher are answerable to this board. There are local authority appointed members on these boards who are impartial.
It is the parents responsibility to ensure their child gets the education they deserve. Too many parents do not want to get involved in school life....they drop the kids there and hope for the best.
If a school has a very involved parent and governor panel.....then bullying wouldnt be as commonplace as it is today.
problem is.....not many schools want it known they have a 'bullying' problem....and either try to squash it....or bury their heads in the sand in the hope it'll pass....they don't want it going as far as the governors board...
i know for a fact when ofsted is arriving where i work....the kids who are disruptive are given the day/s off....the whole school is given an assembly and it is drummed in on how to behave etc etc
the caretakers have overtime to scrub off the obscene graffiti plastered around the school....the corridors are repainted etc etc...
school is always quiet when ofsted are in.....it's a mask and it's false.but that is then rewarded with glowing ofsted reports and parents clamouring to get their kids there...when the reality is.....it's not like that...
Good grief !!!
quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:quote:Originally posted by fz:
Every school has an anti bullying policy. It is up to the staff and parents to see if it is enforced. There are strict routes that the school have to follow to act as a deterrent to persistent bullying.
once these routes are exhausted there are pupil referral units that take on kids that have failed to follow the schools discipline policy.
Every school has a board of Governors, the school and headteacher are answerable to this board. There are local authority appointed members on these boards who are impartial.
It is the parents responsibility to ensure their child gets the education they deserve. Too many parents do not want to get involved in school life....they drop the kids there and hope for the best.
If a school has a very involved parent and governor panel.....then bullying wouldnt be as commonplace as it is today.
problem is.....not many schools want it known they have a 'bullying' problem....and either try to squash it....or bury their heads in the sand in the hope it'll pass....they don't want it going as far as the governors board...
i know for a fact when ofsted is arriving where i work....the kids who are disruptive are given the day/s off....the whole school is given an assembly and it is drummed in on how to behave etc etc
the caretakers have overtime to scrub off the obscene graffiti plastered around the school....the corridors are repainted etc etc...
school is always quiet when ofsted are in.....it's a mask and it's false.but that is then rewarded with glowing ofsted reports and parents clamouring to get their kids there...when the reality is.....it's not like that...
Exactly which is why I said it is up to the parents to be involved with the school.
And an anti bullying policy is definitely NOT telling the kids ' they can't do that'....whoever assumes it is should read some and they may be surprised at the measures that do exist and HAVE to exist.
Whether a parent wishes to pursue it is down to the parent.But once pursued it can NOT be brushed under the carpet.
Before every OFSTED inspection the parents are asked for their views on an anonymous form. I know of some schools where less than 10% are returned by the parents. Says it all really....if the parents dont care, then their children won't either.
quote:Originally posted by fz:quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:quote:Originally posted by fz:
Every school has an anti bullying policy. It is up to the staff and parents to see if it is enforced. There are strict routes that the school have to follow to act as a deterrent to persistent bullying.
once these routes are exhausted there are pupil referral units that take on kids that have failed to follow the schools discipline policy.
Every school has a board of Governors, the school and headteacher are answerable to this board. There are local authority appointed members on these boards who are impartial.
It is the parents responsibility to ensure their child gets the education they deserve. Too many parents do not want to get involved in school life....they drop the kids there and hope for the best.
If a school has a very involved parent and governor panel.....then bullying wouldnt be as commonplace as it is today.
problem is.....not many schools want it known they have a 'bullying' problem....and either try to squash it....or bury their heads in the sand in the hope it'll pass....they don't want it going as far as the governors board...
i know for a fact when ofsted is arriving where i work....the kids who are disruptive are given the day/s off....the whole school is given an assembly and it is drummed in on how to behave etc etc
the caretakers have overtime to scrub off the obscene graffiti plastered around the school....the corridors are repainted etc etc...
school is always quiet when ofsted are in.....it's a mask and it's false.but that is then rewarded with glowing ofsted reports and parents clamouring to get their kids there...when the reality is.....it's not like that...
Exactly which is why I said it is up to the parents to be involved with the school.
And an anti bullying policy is definitely NOT telling the kids ' they can't do that'....whoever assumes it is should read some and they may be surprised at the measures that do exist and HAVE to exist.
Whether a parent wishes to pursue it is down to the parent.But once pursued it can NOT be brushed under the carpet.
Before every OFSTED inspection the parents are asked for their views on an anonymous form. I know of some schools where less than 10% are returned by the parents. Says it all really....if the parents dont care, then their children won't either.
Which measures exist ?
quote:Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:quote:Originally posted by fz:quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:quote:Originally posted by fz:
Every school has an anti bullying policy. It is up to the staff and parents to see if it is enforced. There are strict routes that the school have to follow to act as a deterrent to persistent bullying.
once these routes are exhausted there are pupil referral units that take on kids that have failed to follow the schools discipline policy.
Every school has a board of Governors, the school and headteacher are answerable to this board. There are local authority appointed members on these boards who are impartial.
It is the parents responsibility to ensure their child gets the education they deserve. Too many parents do not want to get involved in school life....they drop the kids there and hope for the best.
If a school has a very involved parent and governor panel.....then bullying wouldnt be as commonplace as it is today.
problem is.....not many schools want it known they have a 'bullying' problem....and either try to squash it....or bury their heads in the sand in the hope it'll pass....they don't want it going as far as the governors board...
i know for a fact when ofsted is arriving where i work....the kids who are disruptive are given the day/s off....the whole school is given an assembly and it is drummed in on how to behave etc etc
the caretakers have overtime to scrub off the obscene graffiti plastered around the school....the corridors are repainted etc etc...
school is always quiet when ofsted are in.....it's a mask and it's false.but that is then rewarded with glowing ofsted reports and parents clamouring to get their kids there...when the reality is.....it's not like that...
Exactly which is why I said it is up to the parents to be involved with the school.
And an anti bullying policy is definitely NOT telling the kids ' they can't do that'....whoever assumes it is should read some and they may be surprised at the measures that do exist and HAVE to exist.
Whether a parent wishes to pursue it is down to the parent.But once pursued it can NOT be brushed under the carpet.
Before every OFSTED inspection the parents are asked for their views on an anonymous form. I know of some schools where less than 10% are returned by the parents. Says it all really....if the parents dont care, then their children won't either.
Which measures exist ?
Pick a school you know/care about...go on to their web site and open their policy regarding bullying.
It will be laid out very clearly. People interested in their childrens education should
be informed.
i can't believe for a second our school is the only one that does that kris.....i've been there 4 years and my eyes have been opened....
slightly off tangent...but the money aspect is an enormous part....the more statemented children.....the more money they get.....
all we ever hear is 'we haven't enough money'....
when they do get it it's often wasted....and the important stuff neglected....
last year before summer hols....myself and the others in the kitchen were suffering headaches,sickness and were constantly tired in work....i had to come home and sleep in the afternoon i was that knackered...
turns out that after a maintenance check on something close to the kitchen....the equipment in the kitchen was found to be riddled with gas leaks and was condemmed.....they had known this for 4 years.....and were told to make it 'safe'....they did...but it was never rechecked....and started leaking again....if the maintenance guy hadn't of discovered it....we'd still be working with unsafe equipment...
yet they'll happily spend 10 grand on an astroturf football pitch....cos it looks good to prospective parents and the governors
slightly off tangent...but the money aspect is an enormous part....the more statemented children.....the more money they get.....
all we ever hear is 'we haven't enough money'....
when they do get it it's often wasted....and the important stuff neglected....
last year before summer hols....myself and the others in the kitchen were suffering headaches,sickness and were constantly tired in work....i had to come home and sleep in the afternoon i was that knackered...
turns out that after a maintenance check on something close to the kitchen....the equipment in the kitchen was found to be riddled with gas leaks and was condemmed.....they had known this for 4 years.....and were told to make it 'safe'....they did...but it was never rechecked....and started leaking again....if the maintenance guy hadn't of discovered it....we'd still be working with unsafe equipment...
yet they'll happily spend 10 grand on an astroturf football pitch....cos it looks good to prospective parents and the governors
Spongebob Squarepants, your posts on here have been very interesting. Shocking testimony to the failures within the education system.
fz, I hope my replys have not seemed argumentative but it just seems to me that the anti bullying policy is nothing but a buzzword, as you say that might be down to failure to enforce BUT failure is failure, I think something more imediate is necessary tbh, without the red tape.
fz, I hope my replys have not seemed argumentative but it just seems to me that the anti bullying policy is nothing but a buzzword, as you say that might be down to failure to enforce BUT failure is failure, I think something more imediate is necessary tbh, without the red tape.