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Originally posted by wandawitch:

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
I know teachers have a lot to put up with but he is in the wrong the boy is very poorly he should be sacked .

He may be going to prison if he's found guilty!

And rightly so he must have gave that boy some beating.

Some people on this forum terrify me

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Originally posted by Bagel Queen:
lets not forget the good kids who are going to get tarred with the same brush

What Bagel, not all kids are demons ?!!!!

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

BTW Reminder to all women not to go out tonight wearing a short skirt, make-up and show cleavage- 'cos if you're raped you'll have asked for it

Stop being provocative - I came on here to relax !

My friend went to that school and he niece goes there now and says that the teacher involved is a really lovely teacher and that the kid involved was pushing, pushing and goading him until he snapped...

Not condoning it but I have spoken to my friends niece and there are always contradicting series of events.

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

I think we may have to bring back the whip...

nah pretty. that's far too soft for some- just tell 'em that they're going to die then smash one of their heads in with a 2kg weight- that should do!

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Originally posted by The Secretary:
Some people on this forum terrify me

Hear, hear

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Originally posted by Lady-Jester:

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Originally posted by sweet_tooth:
Not really. We were talking about it in the staff room today- although you HAVE to keep cool, it must be hard to go to work and get taunted every single day... Nobody was shocked as such, just felt really sorry for the teacher. too much pressure on teachers. Parents moan that they have to look after their kids for the 6 weeks hols, we have them for 39! And on a ratio of 1:30!

I can actually see why he would have flipped like that. Children have very little respect for their parents never mind staff at school.
Being taunted by some jumped up little scroats is enough to send any teacher over the edge.

Totally agree. Teaching today has got to be the toughest job in the world having to deal with some of todays teenagers whose only purpose is to mock and disrespect everyone.

To those saying caning etc would solve all the problems.


It wouldnt I went to schools with the cane there I witnessed a child tear up a classroom. He was repeatedly punished at school but when you are beaten regularly by your father a caning is a walk in the park.

I dont know what the answer is because CP did work for some children and keep them in line. I know I avoided it and it did influence how I behaved.

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Originally posted by Jeggo:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

BTW Reminder to all women not to go out tonight wearing a short skirt, make-up and show cleavage- 'cos if you're raped you'll have asked for it

Stop being provocative - I came on here to relax !

Me too and then I saw some of the op's views!

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Originally posted by Lazybug:
My friend went to that school and he niece goes there now and says that the teacher involved is a really lovely teacher and that the kid involved was pushing, pushing and goading him until he snapped...

Not condoning it but I have spoken to my friends niece and there are always contradicting series of events.

Oh and if you read the Facebook group in support of this teacher it makes you think that this man must have been really goaded so much and snapped. There are so many messages from current and previous students all backing the teacher...

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by sweet_tooth:
Not really. We were talking about it in the staff room today- although you HAVE to keep cool, it must be hard to go to work and get taunted every single day... Nobody was shocked as such, just felt really sorry for the teacher. too much pressure on teachers. Parents moan that they have to look after their kids for the 6 weeks hols, we have them for 39! And on a ratio of 1:30!

Same convos we were having in our staff room today, and it may sound shocking to some, but not to many of us in the teaching profession.

it's disheartening to know that us parents are sending our children to adults who feel sorry for a teacher who tried to kill a boy (and 2 ther kids got hurt)

i know kids can be little shits and it's hard to control them...but murder?? really??
i'm glad my son's LSA isn't murderous (yet)

I reckon this case is going to be massive - and a turning point in education policy.

I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often TBH....

I'm sure the parents of the kids involved are up in arms, maybe had they taught their kids some bloody manners and respect in the first place the situation would not have occured.

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:
To those saying caning etc would solve all the problems.


It wouldnt I went to schools with the cane there I witnessed a child tear up a classroom. He was repeatedly punished at school but when you are beaten regularly by your father a caning is a walk in the park.

I dont know what the answer is because CP did work for some children and keep them in line. I know I avoided it and it did influence how I behaved.

I also went to schools with the cane and there was NEVER any disciplinary problems. All the classes behaved and the teachers were allowed to teach with never a hint of trouble from any pupil.

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Originally posted by Jeggo:
I reckon this case is going to be massive - and a turning point in education policy.

Something has to change, but it must involve more effort and the school and parents working together to support each other and children.

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Originally posted by paace:

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:
To those saying caning etc would solve all the problems.


It wouldnt I went to schools with the cane there I witnessed a child tear up a classroom. He was repeatedly punished at school but when you are beaten regularly by your father a caning is a walk in the park.

I dont know what the answer is because CP did work for some children and keep them in line. I know I avoided it and it did influence how I behaved.

I also went to schools with the cane and there was NEVER any disciplinary problems. All the classes behaved and the teachers were allowed to teach with never a hint of trouble from any pupil.

How d'ya know the school had the cane then?

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by The Secretary:
Some people on this forum terrify me

Hear, hear

I think I'd better walk away - the logic of blaming the kid for this is beyond my comprehension

I reckon electrodes in the kids' chairs would do the trick. Sort of like that James Bond film - Doctor No?

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
I reckon electrodes in the kids' chairs would do the trick. Sort of like that James Bond film - Doctor No?

yep walking away as we speak

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Originally posted by The Secretary:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by The Secretary:
Some people on this forum terrify me

Hear, hear

I think I'd better walk away - the logic of blaming the kid for this is beyond my comprehension

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Originally posted by The Secretary:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by The Secretary:
Some people on this forum terrify me

Hear, hear

I think I'd better walk away - the logic of blaming the kid for this is beyond my comprehension

Me too, but don't know if I can!

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Originally posted by wandawitch:

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Originally posted by Jeggo:
I reckon this case is going to be massive - and a turning point in education policy.

Something has to change, but it must involve more effort and the school and parents working together to support each other and children.

It doesn't seem as if many parents want to co-operate with school though anymore.

When I was kid if school dished me out a detention my Dad made sure I went. I do the same with my kids, if they misbehave they take the consequences.

There are a lot of parents though that march up to school dictating that their child couldn't possibly behave like that and drag their kids out of detention. How can the school enforce rules when the parents don't back them?

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Originally posted by wandawitch:

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Originally posted by Jeggo:
I reckon this case is going to be massive - and a turning point in education policy.

Something has to change, but it must involve more effort and the school and parents working together to support each other and children.

Yep - I`m sure most of the parents would want to support the change. Its just a few dysfunctional families `and I know my rights` etc. that spoil things.

Is this time for a smacking thread on the forum? I used to like those on other forums. Always good for polarising everyone.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Is this time for a smacking thread on the forum? I used to like those on other forums. Always good for polarising everyone.

Oh goody! I love those...

I bound home from work everyday just to physically educate my kids

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Originally posted by paace:

I also went to schools with the cane and there was NEVER any disciplinary problems. All the classes behaved and the teachers were allowed to teach with never a hint of trouble from any pupil.

I went to a RC school where the cane and the strap were used regularly- didn't seem to make much difference to behaviour, most kids behaved most of the time, some didn't - bit like today. Remember sometimes taking the p out of teachers and winding them up for a 'laugh'- no-one smashed me in the head with a 2kg weight 'though!

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Originally posted by The Secretary:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Is this time for a smacking thread on the forum? I used to like those on other forums. Always good for polarising everyone.

Oh goody! I love those...

I bound home from work everyday just to physically educate my kids

Bet you two can't guess what my views are on that

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by The Secretary:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Is this time for a smacking thread on the forum? I used to like those on other forums. Always good for polarising everyone.

Oh goody! I love those...

I bound home from work everyday just to physically educate my kids

Bet you two can't guess what my views are on that

I imagine they're pretty much the same as mine

It may somehow make it more agreeable to call them kids but I prefer to refer to SOME of todays teenagers as young thugs, who are responsible for making the lives of parents, teachers and anyone else who cross their path a misery safe in the knowledge that they can't be touched.

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Originally posted by The Secretary:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Is this time for a smacking thread on the forum? I used to like those on other forums. Always good for polarising everyone.

Oh goody! I love those...

I bound home from work everyday just to physically educate my kids

A light tap, never in anger, and purely to reinforce a point during a dangerous situation like every smacking parent on every forum?

I feel sorry for the boy who was hurt but I also feel sorry for the teacher concerned.

Obviously we don't know all the facts, but I'd be very surpised if he's convicted on an attempted murder charge. I don't now if he went into school that day with the intention of killing someone, but most people seem to think he 'flipped' in which case he has grounds to claim diminished responsibility as a defence.

Very sorry mess for all concerned

If the teacher felt he wasn't up to the job due to recent illness, he should have sought help. If he felt he couldn't, then the system is failing both, teachers and pupils.

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by paace:

I also went to schools with the cane and there was NEVER any disciplinary problems. All the classes behaved and the teachers were allowed to teach with never a hint of trouble from any pupil.

I went to a RC school where the cane and the strap were used regularly- didn't seem to make much difference to behaviour, most kids behaved most of the time, some didn't - bit like today. Remember sometimes taking the p out of teachers and winding them up for a 'laugh'- no-one smashed me in the head with a 2kg weight 'though!

Yea similar to my experiences in the past. Would never have got the cane for taking the P though would have been detention for that at the most. Some teachers could control a class with a look and others really had no control at all. There was one English teacher we had once who didnt usually take our class was one of those and the prankster in the class decided to repeatedly climb out the window and walk in saying sorry im late. It took him 3 times before he even noticed it was the same boy

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by The Secretary:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Is this time for a smacking thread on the forum? I used to like those on other forums. Always good for polarising everyone.

Oh goody! I love those...

I bound home from work everyday just to physically educate my kids

A light tap, never in anger, and purely to reinforce a point during a dangerous situation like every smacking parent on every forum?

My dad used to thrash me daily - never did me any harm.

And that's why I have no hesitation in thumping someone half my size

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

A light tap, never in anger, and purely to reinforce a point during a dangerous situation like every smacking parent on every forum?

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Originally posted by The Secretary:


My dad used to thrash me daily - never did me any harm.

And that's why I have no hesitation in thumping someone half my size

never had the cane in my day but i do remember the twats in my class playing the more 'strict' teachers (most hated used to throw board rubbers at you lol) up MORE than the 'friendly' teachers. i think they liked the negative attention, probably used to it, and thought it was great.

the friendly teachers normally used some embarrassment method...which shut he kids up

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by The Secretary:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Is this time for a smacking thread on the forum? I used to like those on other forums. Always good for polarising everyone.

Oh goody! I love those...

I bound home from work everyday just to physically educate my kids

A light tap, never in anger, and purely to reinforce a point during a dangerous situation like every smacking parent on every forum?

I disagree. Children should never be smacked by either parents or teachers. I still believe that the system in place is failing both children and teachers. If any kind of discipline can lead to a pupil seeking either compensation or reprisal, teachers can't do their job properly.

My son started secondary school last september. We had to sign an agreement that we, as parents, would work with the school and ensure that punishments that were dealt out by the school were supported by us.