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Originally posted by china:
yep,

im for real,a lot of kids are little bastards, the parents are no better
most of the time its a case of kids rearing kids-with not one ounce of decency between any of them
how many times have kids got away with shit at school?
this was bound to happen one day

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by china:


nah,
kids will just bang on about human rights-even the ones that act like animals, not humans

What like? The human right for a child to go to school in the morning and for a teacher not to try and murder them?

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by longcat:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Jeez, can't believe some of the comments on here- we're talking charges of attempted bloody murder by a teacher on a pupil, not someone who got wound up and got a bit cross!

None of us know the full circumstances. No child deserves to be beaten almost to death. But do you really an otherwise normal teacher got up that morning and said "I think i will go kill a pupil"

No, I didn't suggest for one single second that it was premeditated

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Manslaughter is a distinct crime and is not considered a lesser degree of murder. The essential distinction between the two offenses is that malice aforethought must be present for murder, whereas it must be absent for manslaughter. Manslaughter is not as serious a crime as murder. On the other hand, it is not a justifiable or excusable killing for which little or no punishment is imposed.

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Originally posted by china:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by china:


nah,
kids will just bang on about human rights-even the ones that act like animals, not humans

What like? The human right for a child to go to school in the morning and for a teacher not to try and murder them?

in hindsight, if the kid had kept his gob shut it wouldnt have happened

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Originally posted by china:
yep,

im for real,a lot of kids are little bastards, the parents are no better
most of the time its a case of kids rearing kids-with not one ounce of decency between any of them
how many times have kids got away with shit at school?
this was bound to happen one day

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Originally posted by Lady-Jester:
He allegedly snapped when kids in his Year Eight physics class began singing along to the Michael Jackson hit Man in The Mirror, changing the words to: “I’m staring at the psycho in the mirror.”

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Originally posted by longcat:

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Originally posted by china:
yep,

im for real,a lot of kids are little bastards, the parents are no better
most of the time its a case of kids rearing kids-with not one ounce of decency between any of them
how many times have kids got away with shit at school?
this was bound to happen one day

I think your mistaking this teacher for someone who set out to teach unruly pupils a lesson. He sounds more like he has got mental issues and as had a breakdown.

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:
Charging with attempted murder implies it was pre-meditated. Manslaughter would be the charge if it wasnt.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Lady-Jester:
He allegedly snapped when kids in his Year Eight physics class began singing along to the Michael Jackson hit Man in The Mirror, changing the words to: “I’m staring at the psycho in the mirror.”

Oh-oh.

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Originally posted by Jeggo:
Obviously its a very sad state of affairs for the child`s family and my heart goes out to them, but it also goes out to the teacher - those kids are enough to break anyone and I admire teachers for what they go through. In some schools its as bad as going to war every day but not being able to defend yourself.

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Originally posted by *Pesky-Pixie*:

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Originally posted by Jeggo:
Obviously its a very sad state of affairs for the child`s family and my heart goes out to them, but it also goes out to the teacher - those kids are enough to break anyone and I admire teachers for what they go through. In some schools its as bad as going to war every day but not being able to defend yourself.

I certainly wouldn't want to be a teacher now.

My middle son came home yesterday to tell me him and his classmates had to take cover under their desks as one child had decided he was going to throw the classroom chairs around. After throwing the chairs about he smashed the electronic wipe board and the class projector.
The culprit of all this is 11 years old. The teacher did nothing...just waited for the pupil to get fed up. She wouldn't even let the rest of the class out of the classroom away from this kid.

After all that violence the child was still in school this morning as usual.

I have mentioned/written to the school about incidents like this happening before...all I get is they are doing all they can to cope, as these children are entitled to an education.

Who in their right mind would want to face situations like the above day in and day out.

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by longcat:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Jeez, can't believe some of the comments on here- we're talking charges of attempted bloody murder by a teacher on a pupil, not someone who got wound up and got a bit cross!

None of us know the full circumstances. No child deserves to be beaten almost to death. But do you really an otherwise normal teacher got up that morning and said "I think i will go kill a pupil"

No, I didn't suggest for one single second that it was premeditated

Charging with attempted murder implies it was pre-meditated. Manslaughter would be the charge if it wasnt.

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Manslaughter is a distinct crime and is not considered a lesser degree of murder. The essential distinction between the two offenses is that malice aforethought must be present for murder, whereas it must be absent for manslaughter. Manslaughter is not as serious a crime as murder. On the other hand, it is not a justifiable or excusable killing for which little or no punishment is imposed.

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Originally posted by *Pesky-Pixie*:

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Originally posted by Jeggo:
Obviously its a very sad state of affairs for the child`s family and my heart goes out to them, but it also goes out to the teacher - those kids are enough to break anyone and I admire teachers for what they go through. In some schools its as bad as going to war every day but not being able to defend yourself.

I certainly wouldn't want to be a teacher now.

My middle son came home yesterday to tell me him and his classmates had to take cover under their desks as one child had decided he was going to throw the classroom chairs around. After throwing the chairs about he smashed the electronic wipe board and the class projector.
The culprit of all this is 11 years old. The teacher did nothing...just waited for the pupil to get fed up. She wouldn't even let the rest of the class out of the classroom away from this kid.

After all that violence the child was still in school this morning as usual.

I have mentioned/written to the school about incidents like this happening before...all I get is they are doing all they can to cope, as these children are entitled to an education.

Who in their right mind would want to face situations like the above day in and day out.

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Originally posted by wandawitch:

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Originally posted by *Pesky-Pixie*:

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Originally posted by Jeggo:
Obviously its a very sad state of affairs for the child`s family and my heart goes out to them, but it also goes out to the teacher - those kids are enough to break anyone and I admire teachers for what they go through. In some schools its as bad as going to war every day but not being able to defend yourself.

I certainly wouldn't want to be a teacher now.

My middle son came home yesterday to tell me him and his classmates had to take cover under their desks as one child had decided he was going to throw the classroom chairs around. After throwing the chairs about he smashed the electronic wipe board and the class projector.
The culprit of all this is 11 years old. The teacher did nothing...just waited for the pupil to get fed up. She wouldn't even let the rest of the class out of the classroom away from this kid.

After all that violence the child was still in school this morning as usual.

I have mentioned/written to the school about incidents like this happening before...all I get is they are doing all they can to cope, as these children are entitled to an education.

Who in their right mind would want to face situations like the above day in and day out.

This is how things escalate. The school should do something about children like that. He doesn't deserve to be a classroom with other pupils who behave, he should be in a behavioural unit.

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Originally posted by shar69:
I thought that the person had to die for you to be charged with manslaughter. I don't know if there is an attempted manslaughter charge.

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Originally posted by china:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by china:


nah,
kids will just bang on about human rights-even the ones that act like animals, not humans

What like? The human right for a child to go to school in the morning and for a teacher not to try and murder them?

in hindsight, if the kid had kept his gob shut it wouldnt have happened

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by longcat:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Jeez, can't believe some of the comments on here- we're talking charges of attempted bloody murder by a teacher on a pupil, not someone who got wound up and got a bit cross!

None of us know the full circumstances. No child deserves to be beaten almost to death. But do you really an otherwise normal teacher got up that morning and said "I think i will go kill a pupil"

No, I didn't suggest for one single second that it was premeditated

Charging with attempted murder implies it was pre-meditated. Manslaughter would be the charge if it wasnt.

quote:

Manslaughter is a distinct crime and is not considered a lesser degree of murder. The essential distinction between the two offenses is that malice aforethought must be present for murder, whereas it must be absent for manslaughter. Manslaughter is not as serious a crime as murder. On the other hand, it is not a justifiable or excusable killing for which little or no punishment is imposed.

I thought that when I posted Capt. doubt it was premeditated in the sense that op was saying i.e.'teacher got up that morning and said I think i will go kill a pupil'...maybe was if he 'went back for more' as is suggested in the reports? Who knows, we know so v little about the circumstances

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:
Charging with attempted murder implies it was pre-meditated. Manslaughter would be the charge if it wasnt.

Where's that quote from?

Murder is about killing with mens rea. The intent to kill but not necessarily pre-meditated. I'm surprised he hasn't been charged with manslaughter because of diminished responsibility if the stories coming out are true.

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
Wow thats crazy... No wonder they keep advertising teacher positions people are leaving the profession... The "rights" they have given them has ruined things...I think the law has to be changed ASAP.... In other countries that whoop their kids if they misbehave, this doesnt happen....

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Originally posted by *Pesky-Pixie*:

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Originally posted by Jeggo:
Obviously its a very sad state of affairs for the child`s family and my heart goes out to them, but it also goes out to the teacher - those kids are enough to break anyone and I admire teachers for what they go through. In some schools its as bad as going to war every day but not being able to defend yourself.

I certainly wouldn't want to be a teacher now.

My middle son came home yesterday to tell me him and his classmates had to take cover under their desks as one child had decided he was going to throw the classroom chairs around. After throwing the chairs about he smashed the electronic wipe board and the class projector.
The culprit of all this is 11 years old. The teacher did nothing...just waited for the pupil to get fed up. She wouldn't even let the rest of the class out of the classroom away from this kid.

After all that violence the child was still in school this morning as usual.

I have mentioned/written to the school about incidents like this happening before...all I get is they are doing all they can to cope, as these children are entitled to an education.

Who in their right mind would want to face situations like the above day in and day out.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Lady-Jester:
He allegedly snapped when kids in his Year Eight physics class began singing along to the Michael Jackson hit Man in The Mirror, changing the words to: “I’m staring at the psycho in the mirror.”

Oh-oh.

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Originally posted by *Pesky-Pixie*:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
Wow thats crazy... No wonder they keep advertising teacher positions people are leaving the profession... The "rights" they have given them has ruined things...I think the law has to be changed ASAP.... In other countries that whoop their kids if they misbehave, this doesnt happen....

It all seems to be very much focused on the rights of the kid misbehaving...not on the rights of the kids who don't cause problems.

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:
Probably why they are waiting before charging him.

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Originally posted by MrMeatAndPotatoPie:
When i was at school few years ago some pupils had no respect for teachers at all I have been in many classes where students have pushed the teacher over the edge, some have made teachers run out crying and one time someone pushed the teacher so far the teacher threatened him (he really did deserve a smack) and later got sacked for it Some even taunted the teachers by saying "you can't make me do anything"

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Originally posted by Jeggo:

"As these children are entitled to an education" That word..... `ENTITLED` really gets my gander up. NO THEY ARE NOT BLIDDY ENTITLED - god, if someone swore at a teacher when I was at school - they`d be expelled instantly (and could never come back).

Wish I hadn`t opened this thread.

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

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Originally posted by MrMeatAndPotatoPie:
When i was at school few years ago some pupils had no respect for teachers at all I have been in many classes where students have pushed the teacher over the edge, some have made teachers run out crying and one time someone pushed the teacher so far the teacher threatened him (he really did deserve a smack) and later got sacked for it Some even taunted the teachers by saying "you can't make me do anything"

My God ....So teachers dont have any rights then?

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Originally posted by *Pesky-Pixie*:

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Originally posted by Jeggo:
Obviously its a very sad state of affairs for the child`s family and my heart goes out to them, but it also goes out to the teacher - those kids are enough to break anyone and I admire teachers for what they go through. In some schools its as bad as going to war every day but not being able to defend yourself.

I certainly wouldn't want to be a teacher now.

My middle son came home yesterday to tell me him and his classmates had to take cover under their desks as one child had decided he was going to throw the classroom chairs around. After throwing the chairs about he smashed the electronic wipe board and the class projector.
The culprit of all this is 11 years old. The teacher did nothing...just waited for the pupil to get fed up. She wouldn't even let the rest of the class out of the classroom away from this kid.

After all that violence the child was still in school this morning as usual.

I have mentioned/written to the school about incidents like this happening before...all I get is they are doing all they can to cope, as these children are entitled to an education.

Who in their right mind would want to face situations like the above day in and day out.

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Where's that quote from?

Murder is about killing with mens rea. The intent to kill but not necessarily pre-meditated. I'm surprised he hasn't been charged with manslaughter because of diminished responsibility if the stories coming out are true.

If you intend to kill then i would say that is pre-meditated. Theres hot blooded and cold blooded but the intent is still there.

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:

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Originally posted by shar69:
I thought that the person had to die for you to be charged with manslaughter. I don't know if there is an attempted manslaughter charge.

You dont have to die to be chared with attempted murder. Yea you could be right i dont think theres an attempted manslaughter charge that would be an oxymoron. I guess it would be GBH or something like that.

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Originally posted by *Pesky-Pixie*:

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Originally posted by Jeggo:

"As these children are entitled to an education" That word..... `ENTITLED` really gets my gander up. NO THEY ARE NOT BLIDDY ENTITLED - god, if someone swore at a teacher when I was at school - they`d be expelled instantly (and could never come back).

Wish I hadn`t opened this thread.

Sorry Jeggo I didn't mean to make things worse.

I suppose I was trying to illustrate how much some of these teachers have to put up with on a daily basis.If this particular teacher had been trying to teach classes behaving like the lad in my kid's class for the past 15 years...it may have contributed to him losing it.

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Originally posted by MrMeatAndPotatoPie:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

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Originally posted by MrMeatAndPotatoPie:
When i was at school few years ago some pupils had no respect for teachers at all I have been in many classes where students have pushed the teacher over the edge, some have made teachers run out crying and one time someone pushed the teacher so far the teacher threatened him (he really did deserve a smack) and later got sacked for it Some even taunted the teachers by saying "you can't make me do anything"

My God ....So teachers dont have any rights then?

Not really, some teachers went to bring a higher member of staff in but they didnt do anything. They usually just tell everyone to behave and then walk off