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Originally Posted by stonks:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by MrsH:

..... I told Nigella to take the kids off till the dust settled."

 

 And therein, I suspect, lies the story

Here's hoping she's left him and does'nt come back....

That's up to her I guess Stonksy, but those few words spoke volumes to me. Poor woman.

BTW I don't get the argument that this is humiliating for her, she's the victim of a crime, none of which is her fault or responsibility, why should that be considered humiliating

FM
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by stonks:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by MrsH:

..... I told Nigella to take the kids off till the dust settled."

 

 And therein, I suspect, lies the story

Here's hoping she's left him and does'nt come back....

That's up to her I guess Stonksy, but those few words spoke volumes to me. Poor woman.

BTW I don't get the argument that this is humiliating for her, she's the victim of a crime, none of which is her fault or responsibility, why should that be considered humiliating

  the very admission that she may have felt humiliated makes it abundantly clear that he was doing something she should be ashamed to be letting him get away with    (not that I think she should be ashamed... I know what I mean though!)

Kaffs
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by stonks:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by MrsH:

..... I told Nigella to take the kids off till the dust settled."

 

 And therein, I suspect, lies the story

Here's hoping she's left him and does'nt come back....

That's up to her I guess Stonksy, but those few words spoke volumes to me. Poor woman.

BTW I don't get the argument that this is humiliating for her, she's the victim of a crime, none of which is her fault or responsibility, why should that be considered humiliating

  the very admission that she may have felt humiliated makes it abundantly clear that he was doing something she should be ashamed to be letting him get away with    (not that I think she should be ashamed... I know what I mean though!)

I know what you mean too Kaffs, which is more than I can say for Mr. Jer's feather duster comment ...although top marks for me getting his tongue in cheek comments about seafilth and the grammar police, 2 outta 3 ain't bad!

FM
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by stonks:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by MrsH:

..... I told Nigella to take the kids off till the dust settled."

 

 And therein, I suspect, lies the story

Here's hoping she's left him and does'nt come back....

That's up to her I guess Stonksy, but those few words spoke volumes to me. Poor woman.

BTW I don't get the argument that this is humiliating for her, she's the victim of a crime, none of which is her fault or responsibility, why should that be considered humiliating

 

Really?  She was being humiliated and some pap was clicking away on a camera and pics of said humiliating situation were splashed in a rag of a newspaper with people talking about her private business?  I never said any of this was her fault or responsibility.

Temps
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by Temps:
Originally Posted by Saint:

I don;t think its all "guesswork" as people are suggesting.

From eyewitness accounts he was angry and she was trying to pacify him.

The pictures of her crying afterwards say it all.

You misunderstood my post, I never said what happened was guesswork, I said the reason the paper printed them is guess work.

I tend to agree the papers had their own interpretation from the outset.The same images looked  at in a different light, could suggest  something  far less abusive, because it depends on how you see the images,but many  saw the images with a view  that has already been jaundiced.

 

As it happens he's now accepted a police caution, so in effect pleading guilty, to assault, I presume.He's got away lightly and everyone will move on, quite quickly.

i think the fact that she was in tears is what swings it, JB   Didn't look like a 'playful tiff' when she's crying.   

 

I agree though - I expect they'll all move on - and maybe he'll think twice next time he's feeling 'playful'  

I think some people  have more complex relationships, than can be summarised in  a headline.

 

We don't know why she  was in tears, we are assuming it's because of the way he grabbed her throat,that is certainly enough to have  most people in tears.

And before I get hung drawn and quartered,I think he is  a bully and abusive, and is no sort of proper man.

But she could also be in tears because it was a row with some one she loves,she is holding his hand, is that to restrain him( I seriously doubt she could restrain him) or to calm him?

She kissed him, was that to calm him? or to let him know everything was alright?

We honestly have no idea,I can read as much into a photograph as the next person.But people in volatile relationships can have an understanding of each other, that baffles the rest of us.

jacksonb
Originally Posted by Temps:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by stonks:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by MrsH:

..... I told Nigella to take the kids off till the dust settled."

 

 And therein, I suspect, lies the story

Here's hoping she's left him and does'nt come back....

That's up to her I guess Stonksy, but those few words spoke volumes to me. Poor woman.

BTW I don't get the argument that this is humiliating for her, she's the victim of a crime, none of which is her fault or responsibility, why should that be considered humiliating

 

Really?  She was being humiliated and some pap was clicking away on a camera and pics of said humiliating situation were splashed in a rag of a newspaper with people talking about her private business?  I never said any of this was her fault or responsibility.

Temps, I wasn't referring to your comments, rather the general points that are being made all over the place that having the pics published in the press are, of themselves, humiliating for her. I don't see that personally

FM
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
 

I think some people  have more complex relationships, than can be summarised in  a headline.

 

We don't know why she  was in tears, we are assuming it's because of the way he grabbed her throat,that is certainly enough to have  most people in tears.

And before I get hung drawn and quartered,I think he is  a bully and abusive, and is no sort of proper man.

But she could also be in tears because it was a row with some one she loves,she is holding his hand, is that to restrain him( I seriously doubt she could restrain him) or to calm him?

She kissed him, was that to calm him? or to let him know everything was alright?

We honestly have no idea,I can read as much into a photograph as the next person.But people in volatile relationships can have an understanding of each other, that baffles the rest of us.

that's all true, of course...   I just don't know how he can try to explain it as 'playful'  - if she's in tears for any reason, be it being strangled, afraid, or just having had a row with someone she loves.  What's playful about any of that?    Anyway - at least we agree he's a bit of a scumbag.

Kaffs

Yes excellent article Cos. Those who slowly adjust to having their life taken over by control freaks don't always notice the gradual changes within themselves and the relationship. For many by the time they do they've lost their own identity and have become submissive and want to keep the peace to save them from verbal or physical abuse. I've come across many instances over the years online and in rl.

 

Any woman or man who finds the courage and strength to walk away from such subservience has my respect as it must take a lot of courage.

Yellow Rose
Last edited by Yellow Rose

Interesting quotes from his own book:

 

"Saatchi’s main philosophy in the book is it’s a “mistake” to be nice or  caring. He writes: “Unlock yourself from the neurotic need to please. It erodes the soul.”

Saatchi also takes swipes at females. He says: “It’s ok for little girls to  whine. They are practising to be women.”

And talking about his two divorces, he writes: “Wives make excellent  housekeepers.

“They always manage to keep the house. Boom boom!”

Saatchi — who has wed three times — is not kind about marriage. He says: “It’s  a flawed ideology, with a miserable track record, and only gives comfort  to  the insecure and needy, like me.”

So far Saatchi has refused to say sorry publicly for assaulting telly cook  Nigella.

He writes in the book: “There is absolutely no shame in an apology made with  your fingers crossed behind your back. It’s actually quite elevating.”

 

Saint
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by stonks:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by MrsH:

..... I told Nigella to take the kids off till the dust settled."

 

 And therein, I suspect, lies the story

Here's hoping she's left him and does'nt come back....

That's up to her I guess Stonksy, but those few words spoke volumes to me. Poor woman.

BTW I don't get the argument that this is humiliating for her, she's the victim of a crime, none of which is her fault or responsibility, why should that be considered humiliating

Me neither cos she had already been humiliated by a person who is meant to love and protect her, he did'nt count how many people were watching and noone interviened to help her so it going to press just broadened the audiance and might give her the wake up call to tell her that his behaviour is unacceptable..its not nice for her and it was'nt nice for those who witnessed it first hand....

stonks

"Said he made 'heartbreaking' decision after she refused to defend him"

 

Only they know what their marriage was really like and perhaps at times it was volatile, who knows, but why should she have defended his action. If she had isn't that what some abused women do, or wouldn't people in general have assumed that's what she was doing.

 

Maybe he's suing her for divorce before she sues him and he's worried that would make him look even worse. I wonder what reason he'll give for divorcing her.

Yellow Rose
Originally Posted by Yellow Rose:

"Said he made 'heartbreaking' decision after she refused to defend him"

 

Only they know what their marriage was really like and perhaps at times it was volatile, who knows, but why should she have defended his action. If she had isn't that what some abused women do, or wouldn't people in general have assumed that's what she was doing.

 

Maybe he's suing her for divorce before she sues him and he's worried that would make him look even worse. I wonder what reason he'll give for divorcing her.

That's exactly what I think is going on Yella.  His divorce pleading will be one to hear. 

Xochi
Originally Posted by Xochiquetzal:
Originally Posted by Yellow Rose:

"Said he made 'heartbreaking' decision after she refused to defend him"

 

Only they know what their marriage was really like and perhaps at times it was volatile, who knows, but why should she have defended his action. If she had isn't that what some abused women do, or wouldn't people in general have assumed that's what she was doing.

 

Maybe he's suing her for divorce before she sues him and he's worried that would make him look even worse. I wonder what reason he'll give for divorcing her.

That's exactly what I think is going on Yella.  His divorce pleading will be one to hear. 

he's trying to control everything - boorish, nasty man.  What must poor Cosima be thinking with him naming his defence of her staying at the Economist as the catalyst of their argument 

FM

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